If we got Phil Jackson..

[Natebishop3]

Let's say, hypothetically, that Paul Allen threw a ton of money at Phil Jackson this summer and we convinced Jax to come here.

What would happen? Championship?

I'm just curious what people think.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Let's say, hypothetically, that Paul Allen threw a ton of money at Phil Jackson this summer and we convinced Jax to come here.

What would happen? Championship?

I'm just curious what people think.

Bad timing. The team would need a year to adjust to the triangle, and the next season will be trashed by the lock-out.

 

[Shapecity]

Usually it takes 3 years with PJax before the team emerges as a championship contender. It takes time to learn the Triangle and the terminology PJax uses.

 

[Natebishop3]

Usually it takes 3 years with PJax before the team emerges as a championship contender. It takes time to learn the Triangle and the terminology PJax uses.

It didn't take the Lakers that long.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

I personally lobbied online for the Blazers to get Phil when he was available and before they hired McMillan. Everyone called me an idiot, that he'd never come here, that he was an overrated coach, and that he couldn't build a roster.

Me = vindicated by the existance of this thread.

 

[Shapecity]

It didn't take the Lakers that long.

He took over a championship caliber team and had arguably the two best players in the league when he came to LA. I think he'd get the Blazers (if healthy) to possibly the WCF.

 

[Minstrel]

I personally lobbied online for the Blazers to get Phil when he was available and before they hired McMillan. Everyone called me an idiot, that he'd never come here, that he was an overrated coach, and that he couldn't build a roster.

Me = vindicated by the existance of this thread.

I love victim complexes that create a hazy, imaginary opposition out of "everyone."

I didn't call you an idiot, though I do think it's unlikely he would have chosen to coach Portland. I would have loved to have had Portland hire him, though, if it had been possible.

I was calling for Portland to trade for LeBron James. Everyone called me an idiot for that call.* I'm now vindicated by the fact that everyone would like James on the team.


*May be a fictionalized account for sake of the response

 

[julius]

It didn't take the Lakers that long.

It also didn't take the Bulls that long.

But why does anyone thing Phil would come to Portland?

Paul Allen could offer him 100% control, half the team in ownership AND he'd only have to coach the home games, and he'd still not come here.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Usually it takes 3 years with PJax before the team emerges as a championship contender. It takes time to learn the Triangle and the terminology PJax uses.

Where did you come up with that idea? It sure isn't supported by the facts.

The Bulls won their first title in Phil's second season as coach (and then two more in a row after that).

The Lakers won a title in Phil's FIRST season as coach (and then two more after that).

So, in his first three years in Chicago, the Bulls won two titles. In his firth three years in Los Angeles, the Lakers won three titles.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

But why does anyone thing Phil would come to Portland?

Because he's pissed that Jerry Buss passed over his main squeeze (who was much more deserving and qualified) and turned the team over to his idiot son Jim instead. As a result, Phil has not signed an extension and his contract with the Lakers is up at the end of this season.

There is no salary cap on coaches. Paul Allen can offer him any amount he wants. He just gave LaMarcus Aldridge $65 million in the hope that he can be part of a championship team in Portland. Why would he not offer Phil Jackson the same - or even more given that Phil's salary would not count against the cap, and he wouldn't have to pay luxury tax on it?

$75 million over 3 years would more than double Phil's current salary, and would be considered a bargain by Paul Allen if the Blazers win a title or two.

BNM

 

[44Thrilla]

It didn't take the Lakers that long.

Please don't tell me you think the Blazers are any where close, talent-wise, to a team that had Shaq in his prime and Kobe Bryant.

 

[Shapecity]

Where did you come up with that idea? It sure isn't supported by the facts.

The Bulls won their first title in Phil's second season as coach (and then two more in a row after that).

The Lakers won a title in Phil's FIRST season as coach (and then two more after that).

So, in his first three years in Chicago, the Bulls won two titles. In his firth three years in Los Angeles, the Lakers won three titles.

BNM

He said himself. It takes 3 years in his system. The Bulls and Lakers teams he took over were already championship caliber and had the veteran players. Your Blazer team is relatively young and doesn't have a lot of post season success.

 

[44Thrilla]

Where did you come up with that idea? It sure isn't supported by the facts.

The Bulls won their first title in Phil's second season as coach (and then two more in a row after that).

The Lakers won a title in Phil's FIRST season as coach (and then two more after that).

So, in his first three years in Chicago, the Bulls won two titles. In his firth three years in Los Angeles, the Lakers won three titles.

BNM

One team had the greatest player of all-time, the other had 2 of the top 10 players of all-time. The Blazers have one all-star player.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Please don't tell me you think the Blazers are any where close, talent-wise, to a team that had Shaq in his prime and Kobe Bryant.

Nobody said they are - just refuting that the incorrect assertion that:

"Usually it takes 3 years with PJax before the team emerges as a championship contender."

Is not historically accurate. It has NEVER taken a Phil Jackson team that long to WIN a championship, let alone emerge as a contender.

BNM

 

[44Thrilla]

Nobody said they are - just refuting that the incorrect assertion that:

"Usually it takes 3 years with PJax before the team emerges as a championship contender."

Is not historically accurate. It has NEVER taken a Phil Jackson team that long to WIN a championship, let alone emerge as a contender.

BNM

His second time around with the Lakers did.

 

[ehizzy3]

i would love to get him...but he hates portland lmao

 

[Natebishop3]

The Blazers have the pieces to win a championship. I personally think this team would be awesome with Jackson and the triangle. Roy could easily play the same kind of role that Kobe does on the Lakers.

 

[Tince]

Let's say, hypothetically, that Paul Allen threw a ton of money at Phil Jackson this summer and we convinced Jax to come here.

What would happen? Championship?

I'm just curious what people think.

People on here would post how he was an overrated coach after every loss. They would say he only won when he had the best player in the league playing for him. They would questions his substitution patterns. They would question why he would let teams go on long runs without calling timeouts.

Overall, we would probably win 50-59 games (assuming we were healthy), and the people that always piss and moan about our coaching would continue to do so.

 

[Minstrel]

i would love to get him...but he hates portland lmao

Just think of the spin-off marketing from his "jackals" comment. "Jackson & his Jackals."

 

[Boob-No-More]

The only problem I see is Phil Jackson can't win in Portland. He's lost what, nine in a row and 22 of 26?

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

One team had the greatest player of all-time, the other had 2 of the top 10 players of all-time. The Blazers have one all-star player.

Again, that wasn't the point. The point is it doesn't take three years to learn the triangle. Both of those teams INSTANTLY got BETTER. It didn't take three years to see significant improvement.

The Blazers won 54 games last season, and probably would have won as many, or a few more this season, if healthy. Phil in the triangle wouldn't guarantee a title in Portland in his first or second year, but I do think it would elevate them (if reasonably healthy) to contender status.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

The only problem I see is Phil Jackson can't win in Portland. He's lost what, nine in a row and 22 of 26?

BNM

All the more reason to come here!

We are the bane of his existence.

 

[Shapecity]

Again, that wasn't the point. The point is it doesn't take three years to learn the triangle. Both of those teams INSTANTLY got BETTER. It didn't take three years to see significant improvement.

The Blazers won 54 games last season, and probably would have won as many, or a few more this season, if healthy. Phil in the triangle wouldn't guarantee a title in Portland in his first or second year, but I do think it would elevate them (if reasonably healthy) to contender status.

BNM

They didn't INSTANTLY get better. Those teasms were already good. Lakers won 61 games prior to the lockout season and were in the WCF. Del Harris just couldn't put them over the top.

 

[Natebishop3]

They didn't INSTANTLY get better. Those teasms were already good. Lakers won 61 games prior to the lockout season and were in the WCF. Del Harris just couldn't put them over the top.

And they got rid of Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones, and Elden Campbell, while adding Glen Rice.

 

[Boob-No-More]

They didn't INSTANTLY get better. Those teasms were already good. Lakers won 61 games prior to the lockout season and were in the WCF. Del Harris just couldn't put them over the top.

Umm... going from a team that couldn't make the finals to winning it all in his first season is pretty much the definition of INSTANTLY getting better.

Del Harris couldn't get them over the top, but Phil did in his first season. Again, how is that not INSTANTLY getting better? Is it the same? No. Is it worse? No. Then it must be better. Right?

BNM