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Turkey masses troops near Kurdish-held Syrian town

Turkey is massing troops near a town in northern Syria held by a U.S.-backed and Kurdish-led force, a war monitor said as Turkish media reported Sunday new reinforcement crossing the borders.

The Turkish buildup comes even though Turkey said it would delay a promised offensive in eastern Syria in the wake of President Donald Trump's decision to withdraw U.S. troops earlier this week.

Trump tweeted on Sunday that he had a "long and productive" call with Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan in which they discussed "the slow & highly coordinated" pullout of U.S. troops from the area. This is the two leaders' second phone conversation in 10 days. U.S. military officials are scrambling to come up with a schedule for the withdrawal of an estimated 2,000 troops.

Trump's decision, announced last week after a call with Erdogan, surprised his allies and own experts, sparking the resignation of two of his top aides. He had asked for an immediate withdrawal, but experts convinced him that they needed time to work out a timetable.

The Turkish IHA news agency reported that a convoy of Turkish troops — a commando unit — had been sent into Syria overnight.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the reinforcements were sent to the front line with Manbij, where U.S. troops have been based. The Observatory said 50 vehicles crossed into Syria — carrying troops and equipment.

A Turkish military official, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with government protocol, said the military reinforcements were dispatched to the areas administered by Turkey in northern Syria, without elaborating.

The spokesman for the Kurdish-led Manbij Military Council, Sharfan Darwish, said Turkish reinforcements have arrived in the area. "We are taking necessary measures to defend ourselves if we are attacked," he said without elaborating.

U.S. troops based around Manbij patrolled the town and surrounding area on Sunday and were photographed speaking with the residents.

Turkey has welcomed Trump's decision. Ankara views the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces as an extension of the insurgency within its borders. Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has vowed to dislodge the Kurdish fighters from along its border with Syria.

The U.S. has since 2014 partnered with the Syrian Kurdish militia to drive out the Islamic State group, a partnership that soured relations between Ankara and Washington.

Allaying some of Turkey's fears was a deal reached in June over Manbij. According to the deal, the Kurdish militia would withdraw from Manbij and U.S. and Turkish troops would patrol the area as a new administration for the mixed Arab-Kurdish town is elected.

But Ankara says the U.S. and the Kurds didn't live up to their end of the deal and that it would start an offensive in eastern Syria to drive out the militia. Turkey already has troops in northwestern Syria and has backed Syrian fighters there to clear towns and villages of IS militants and Kurdish fighters.

After Trump's decision, Erdogan said he would delay the eastern Syria offensive and would work on plans to clear out IS from the region.

A spokesman for the Turkey-backed Syrian opposition fighting group said the continued Turkish and allied forces buildup is to prevent Syrian government troops from taking advantage of the tension in the area to seize territory.

Youssef Hammoud, spokesman for the Syrian opposition fighters, accused the Kurdish militia of reaching out to the Syrian government to replace U.S. troops if they withdraw.

Darwish dismissed the claims as "untrue," calling them "old accusations" from the rival Syrian groups.

Also Sunday, French President Emmanuel Macron said he "deeply regrets" Trump's decision to pull U.S. troops out of Syria and warned it could have dangerous consequences.

Macron showered praise on U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, who quit in the wake of Trump's unexpected move. "An ally should be reliable, coordinate with other allies. Mattis understood this," Macron said during a trip to Chad.

Macron said that the troop withdrawal endangers Kurdish fighters, who were instrumental in the U.S-led coalition's fight against IS militants.

"We should not forget ... what we owe to those who died on the ground fighting terrorism," he said, referring to the SDF. "The SDF is fighting against the terrorism that fomented attacks against Paris and elsewhere ... I call on everyone not to forget what they have done."

Macron did not say what France's military will do next in Syria. Kurdish officials met with a French presidential adviser Friday, and one asked France to play a larger role in Syria following the American withdrawal.

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https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...sses-troops-kurdish-held-syrian-town-59984033
 
Yes and staying there indefinitely and pointing to a map that shows they hold NO territory and then leaving will be futile. As you say they'll be patient and come back.
While I can't be certain of it I do think it's likely that ISIS will regroup and make a comeback that will bite us in the butt.
The fire department doesn't leave a fire as soon as it's put out. No, they hang around 'cause there are usually a few hot spots that they missed that pop up later. You've got to hang around for a while and douse those hot spots as they spring up until you're certain you're in the clear.
 
Turkey masses troops near Kurdish-held Syrian town

Turkey is massing troops near a town in northern Syria held by a U.S.-backed and Kurdish-led force, a war monitor said as Turkish media reported Sunday new reinforcement crossing the borders.

The Turkish buildup comes even though Turkey said it would delay a promised offensive in eastern Syria in the wake of President Donald Trump's decision to withdraw U.S. troops earlier this week.

Trump tweeted on Sunday that he had a "long and productive" call with Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan in which they discussed "the slow & highly coordinated" pullout of U.S. troops from the area. This is the two leaders' second phone conversation in 10 days. U.S. military officials are scrambling to come up with a schedule for the withdrawal of an estimated 2,000 troops.

Trump's decision, announced last week after a call with Erdogan, surprised his allies and own experts, sparking the resignation of two of his top aides. He had asked for an immediate withdrawal, but experts convinced him that they needed time to work out a timetable.

The Turkish IHA news agency reported that a convoy of Turkish troops — a commando unit — had been sent into Syria overnight.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the reinforcements were sent to the front line with Manbij, where U.S. troops have been based. The Observatory said 50 vehicles crossed into Syria — carrying troops and equipment.

A Turkish military official, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with government protocol, said the military reinforcements were dispatched to the areas administered by Turkey in northern Syria, without elaborating.

The spokesman for the Kurdish-led Manbij Military Council, Sharfan Darwish, said Turkish reinforcements have arrived in the area. "We are taking necessary measures to defend ourselves if we are attacked," he said without elaborating.

U.S. troops based around Manbij patrolled the town and surrounding area on Sunday and were photographed speaking with the residents.

Turkey has welcomed Trump's decision. Ankara views the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces as an extension of the insurgency within its borders. Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has vowed to dislodge the Kurdish fighters from along its border with Syria.

The U.S. has since 2014 partnered with the Syrian Kurdish militia to drive out the Islamic State group, a partnership that soured relations between Ankara and Washington.

Allaying some of Turkey's fears was a deal reached in June over Manbij. According to the deal, the Kurdish militia would withdraw from Manbij and U.S. and Turkish troops would patrol the area as a new administration for the mixed Arab-Kurdish town is elected.

But Ankara says the U.S. and the Kurds didn't live up to their end of the deal and that it would start an offensive in eastern Syria to drive out the militia. Turkey already has troops in northwestern Syria and has backed Syrian fighters there to clear towns and villages of IS militants and Kurdish fighters.

After Trump's decision, Erdogan said he would delay the eastern Syria offensive and would work on plans to clear out IS from the region.

A spokesman for the Turkey-backed Syrian opposition fighting group said the continued Turkish and allied forces buildup is to prevent Syrian government troops from taking advantage of the tension in the area to seize territory.

Youssef Hammoud, spokesman for the Syrian opposition fighters, accused the Kurdish militia of reaching out to the Syrian government to replace U.S. troops if they withdraw.

Darwish dismissed the claims as "untrue," calling them "old accusations" from the rival Syrian groups.

Also Sunday, French President Emmanuel Macron said he "deeply regrets" Trump's decision to pull U.S. troops out of Syria and warned it could have dangerous consequences.

Macron showered praise on U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, who quit in the wake of Trump's unexpected move. "An ally should be reliable, coordinate with other allies. Mattis understood this," Macron said during a trip to Chad.

Macron said that the troop withdrawal endangers Kurdish fighters, who were instrumental in the U.S-led coalition's fight against IS militants.

"We should not forget ... what we owe to those who died on the ground fighting terrorism," he said, referring to the SDF. "The SDF is fighting against the terrorism that fomented attacks against Paris and elsewhere ... I call on everyone not to forget what they have done."

Macron did not say what France's military will do next in Syria. Kurdish officials met with a French presidential adviser Friday, and one asked France to play a larger role in Syria following the American withdrawal.

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https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...sses-troops-kurdish-held-syrian-town-59984033
The Turks played Trump like a cheap violin.
 
They'd certainly want to keep the Space Force also, wouldn't they? I mean, the Army is great and all, but the Space Force is where it's at.

barfo
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If there's an Ultraman comic book or cartoon movie then Trump knows about him.
If there were, by some miracle, that the Pentagon knows about Ultraman and wrote a report on him then Trump is in the dark. Entirely too complicated. Trump - You guys give me a briefing. Meanwhile, I'm gonna have a coke and a big Mac with fries and take a nap.
 
While I can't be certain of it I do think it's likely that ISIS will regroup and make a comeback that will bite us in the butt.
The fire department doesn't leave a fire as soon as it's put out. No, they hang around 'cause there are usually a few hot spots that they missed that pop up later. You've got to hang around for a while and douse those hot spots as they spring up until you're certain you're in the clear.
By what measure would you decide when we're in the clear?

You can't kill every single last one of them can you?

Maybe keeping our noses out of their business would make them less likely to want to attack us.

Maybe we should have a sitdown with the Russians and the Chinese and pick all the territories we want to conquer and leave each other alone while we do it.
 
By what measure would you decide when we're in the clear?

You can't kill every single last one of them can you?

Maybe keeping our noses out of their business would make them less likely to want to attack us.

Maybe we should have a sitdown with the Russians and the Chinese and pick all the territories we want to conquer and leave each other alone while we do it.
I think a withdrawal could have been slower and coordinated with others including our military. Our military was not consulted before Trump reached his decision and that seems really ignorant.

Edit: Also our allies and State Department were not consulted. Wow.
 
I think a withdrawal could have been slower and coordinated with others including our military. Our military was not consulted before Trump reached his decision and that seems really ignorant.
Maybe he read this and realized that people are talking him into things he doesn't want.
 
If there's an Ultraman comic book or cartoon movie then Trump knows about him.
If there were, by some miracle, that the Pentagon knows about Ultraman and wrote a report on him then Trump is in the dark. Entirely too complicated. Trump - You guys give me a briefing. Meanwhile, I'm gonna have a coke and a big Mac with fries and take a nap.
Ultraman was all Japanese. circa 1964. It was so full of malarkey that it was non-fiction personified. Trump equals the ridiculous entertainment mark in his own absurd way.
 
Maybe he read this and realized that people are talking him into things he doesn't want.
Clearly that's the case. That's the entire reason for Kelly's resignation letter.

Pretty much everyone is unhappy about this. Trump's going to have to nominate a replacement Secretary of Defense who is acceptable to the Senate and not just acceptable to Trump or he won't get enough votes to approve.

Here is what Republican Senator Toomey had to say about a nominated Secretary of Defense:
"CHUCK TODD:

If the president nominates somebody for secretary of defense that shares his worldview, that's very different from Secretary Mattis, could you confirm somebody that you didn't share a worldview with as secretary of defense?

SEN. PAT TOOMEY:

So let me just say I -- historically, I have been very willing to defer to presidential nominees. I think I supported three-quarters of all of President Obama's nominees and, certainly, the big majority of President Trump's. But on this, I think this is so important. And the president's views are so divergent, certainly, from mine that I think I’ll be much -- this one -- this one’s going to be tough. I'm going to be looking for a defense secretary that shares a more traditional view about America's role in the world."

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-december-23-2018-n951396
 
Clearly that's the case. That's the entire reason for Kelly's resignation letter.

Pretty much everyone is unhappy about this. Trump's going to have to nominate a replacement Secretary of Defense who is acceptable to the Senate and not just acceptable to Trump or he won't get enough votes to approve.

Here is what Republican Senator Toomey had to say about a nominated Secretary of Defense:
"CHUCK TODD:

If the president nominates somebody for secretary of defense that shares his worldview, that's very different from Secretary Mattis, could you confirm somebody that you didn't share a worldview with as secretary of defense?

SEN. PAT TOOMEY:

So let me just say I -- historically, I have been very willing to defer to presidential nominees. I think I supported three-quarters of all of President Obama's nominees and, certainly, the big majority of President Trump's. But on this, I think this is so important. And the president's views are so divergent, certainly, from mine that I think I’ll be much -- this one -- this one’s going to be tough. I'm going to be looking for a defense secretary that shares a more traditional view about America's role in the world."

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-december-23-2018-n951396
Are there any politicians in the US that don't share the opinion that we should be the biggest bully around?
 
Are there any politicians in the US that don't share the opinion that we should be the biggest bully around?
That's why we need to cultivate allies and not just cut them off at the knees.
 
Keeping another campaign promise. :cheers:

Defense Dept. says US troop withdrawal from Syria is ‘deliberate, well thought-out’


By Elizabeth Zwirz | Fox News

US officials say there are more than 2,000 ISIS soldiers remaining in eastern Syria
The Department of Defense on Friday tweeted about the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Syria, saying that it's carefully planned and organized.

The department described the course of action as being “deliberate, well thought-out, mutually supportive, and controlled,” while also guaranteeing “our troops’ safety and protection.”

The president recently defended his decision regarding the Syria withdrawal, saying on a visit to Iraq Wednesday that U.S. military gains against the Islamic State (ISIS) terror group have made it possible for him to pull out the 2,000 U.S. troops.

TRUMP, VISITING TROOPS IN IRAQ, DEFENDS SYRIA PULLOUT PLAN

"I made it clear from the beginning that our mission in Syria was to strip ISIS of its military strongholds," Trump said.

A U.S. presence in Syria was never to be "open-ended," the president also said, adding that Turkey has agreed to eliminate ISIS remnants.

Trump's surprise visit to the region came a week after he declared that ISIS had been “defeated” in Syria in a tweet and ordered all American diplomats and soldiers out of the country.

The U.S. first deployed troops to Syria in 2015 during the Obama administration as part of a partnership with Kurdish-led forces against ISIS. A year before the deployment, U.S. airstrikes began in Syria.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/de...wal-from-syria-is-deliberate-well-thought-out
 
Keeping another campaign promise. :cheers:

Exactly. This is a surprise only to those who didn't see his campaign speeches or debates on TV. His Libertarian anti-war position is why he beat Hillary, whose position was that she would install 40,000 American soldiers to protect the Kurds and make Syria another Iraq War. Trump hates the Bushes and said the Iraq War was a big mistake, to the boos of warmongers.

Trump has replaced military wars with nonviolent trade wars.
 
Jim Webb is the obvious choice for SOD, and should be easily confirmed.
 
Keeping another campaign promise. :cheers:

Defense Dept. says US troop withdrawal from Syria is ‘deliberate, well thought-out’


By Elizabeth Zwirz | Fox News

US officials say there are more than 2,000 ISIS soldiers remaining in eastern Syria
The Department of Defense on Friday tweeted about the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Syria, saying that it's carefully planned and organized.

The department described the course of action as being “deliberate, well thought-out, mutually supportive, and controlled,” while also guaranteeing “our troops’ safety and protection.”

The president recently defended his decision regarding the Syria withdrawal, saying on a visit to Iraq Wednesday that U.S. military gains against the Islamic State (ISIS) terror group have made it possible for him to pull out the 2,000 U.S. troops.

TRUMP, VISITING TROOPS IN IRAQ, DEFENDS SYRIA PULLOUT PLAN

"I made it clear from the beginning that our mission in Syria was to strip ISIS of its military strongholds," Trump said.

A U.S. presence in Syria was never to be "open-ended," the president also said, adding that Turkey has agreed to eliminate ISIS remnants.

Trump's surprise visit to the region came a week after he declared that ISIS had been “defeated” in Syria in a tweet and ordered all American diplomats and soldiers out of the country.

The U.S. first deployed troops to Syria in 2015 during the Obama administration as part of a partnership with Kurdish-led forces against ISIS. A year before the deployment, U.S. airstrikes began in Syria.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/de...wal-from-syria-is-deliberate-well-thought-out
Fox News? Oh, well it's gotta be the truth.
 
Keeping another campaign promise. :cheers:

Defense Dept. says US troop withdrawal from Syria is ‘deliberate, well thought-out’


By Elizabeth Zwirz | Fox News

US officials say there are more than 2,000 ISIS soldiers remaining in eastern Syria
The Department of Defense on Friday tweeted about the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Syria, saying that it's carefully planned and organized.

The department described the course of action as being “deliberate, well thought-out, mutually supportive, and controlled,” while also guaranteeing “our troops’ safety and protection.”

The president recently defended his decision regarding the Syria withdrawal, saying on a visit to Iraq Wednesday that U.S. military gains against the Islamic State (ISIS) terror group have made it possible for him to pull out the 2,000 U.S. troops.

TRUMP, VISITING TROOPS IN IRAQ, DEFENDS SYRIA PULLOUT PLAN

"I made it clear from the beginning that our mission in Syria was to strip ISIS of its military strongholds," Trump said.

A U.S. presence in Syria was never to be "open-ended," the president also said, adding that Turkey has agreed to eliminate ISIS remnants.

Trump's surprise visit to the region came a week after he declared that ISIS had been “defeated” in Syria in a tweet and ordered all American diplomats and soldiers out of the country.

The U.S. first deployed troops to Syria in 2015 during the Obama administration as part of a partnership with Kurdish-led forces against ISIS. A year before the deployment, U.S. airstrikes began in Syria.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/de...wal-from-syria-is-deliberate-well-thought-out
Promises made, promises kept. LOL
Hey, what about the promise that Mexico would pay for the Wall. True, he never said which century they would pay for the Wall.
 
All of you should now realize, I am not a fan of Trump. BUT

What promise to the Kurds did he break?

The USA has been supporting the Kurds, on an off as needed, since 1970s.

The agreement was. The USA would supply the Kurds with arms and ammunition, as well as financial aid to help them maintain a regional government.

The USA has not only kept this promise, it has often given additional help when needed.
 
All of you should now realize, I am not a fan of Trump. BUT

What promise to the Kurds did he break?

The USA has been supporting the Kurds, on an off as needed, since 1970s.

The agreement was. The USA would supply the Kurds with arms and ammunition, as well as financial aid to help them maintain a regional government.

The USA has not only kept this promise, it has often given additional help when needed.
He promised nothing but his representatives in the Middle East promised to stick by them. Note how his special envoy to Syria has quit because of his sudden withdrawal which negates his efforts over there.
 
It's literally a tweet from the DoD...I don't know how much more "factual" you can get.


It's factual in that is what they said. Unless you are privy to the inner details it could very well be some lip service to protect Trump. Remember, we had a Navy medical doctor fill out a report that says Trump weighs 235 lbs on his 6'3" frame. No way, not from a guy that eats Big Macs and drinks coke all day.
 
It's literally a tweet from the DoD...I don't know how much more "factual" you can get.


The DOD never lies?

Even if it doesn't, the contents of that tweet seem rather subjective.

But, if you are just saying that Fox reported on the contents of the tweet accurately, then ok.

barfo
 
The DOD never lies?

Even if it doesn't, the contents of that tweet seem rather subjective.

But, if you are just saying that Fox reported on the contents of the tweet accurately, then ok.

barfo

Well until I hear Sarah Sanders or Kellyanne Conway say it I will be sceptical.
 
Promises made, promises kept. LOL
Hey, what about the promise that Mexico would pay for the Wall. True, he never said which century they would pay for the Wall.

They've already paid for it, and then some.
 
They've already paid for it, and then some.

I hear Mexico has paid off our entire national debt, and bought everyone in the US a new car!

barfo
 
All of you should now realize, I am not a fan of Trump. BUT

What promise to the Kurds did he break?

The DEEP STATE has been supporting the Kurds, on an off as needed, since 1970s.

The agreement was. The DEEP STATE would supply the Kurds with arms and ammunition, as well as financial aid to help them CREATE DISSENSION AND REVOLT AMONG THE STABLE regional government.

The DEEP STATE has not only CREATED 3 WARS BY THIS ACTION, it has SENT THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS TO THEIR DEATHS.
FIFY.

Trump made no promise the Kurds directly, that was Obama's lie and Obama cruelly let the Kurds suffer for nearly 2 years without supplying the backup he promised, nearly becoming a billionaire from the "donations of gratitude" received from war profiteers in the last 2 years.

Trump came in with a real offensive and immediately laid ISIS to waste, as Obama promised but reneged on, and now Trump is bringing soldiers home from Obama's war-for-profit just as he campaigned on.

Fuck the whole backward, comparably retarded region if they can't behave like adults.

America cannot stand still for 100 years while the middle-east slowly evolves in their futile attempt to catch up.
 
It's factual in that is what they said.

But, if you are just saying that Fox reported on the contents of the tweet accurately, then ok. barfo

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