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[barfo]

Not really. Pretty sure people addressed that stupid ass rally for a week straight. You can't even address black on black crime for a minute

Because it's a deflection, and we don't like deflections, do we?

barfo

 

[dviss1]

I never ignored white on white crime, obviously it's fucking real. You are missing the point completely as always. It doesn't show how segregated the country is, it just shows how much more alarming black on black crime really is but you need somebody to do the math for you

Lol you guys couldn't offer real points. It becomes tiring arguing with people that wanna defend something so crazy. That I'm just a racist and whitesplaining, black crime is a social construct. It's so insane to hear over and over again and nobody will even address black on black crime. It just validates my point more. You two were too busy trying to say how racist I was then accepting actual reality and statistics.

You just don't have a clue. White people have invented this term.

It's.

Just.

Crime.

 

[Minstrel]

You can't even address black on black crime for a minute

Because you're not addressing it--you yourself admitted you have no suggestions, nothing to say about it besides it existing. Saying, "Yeah, but Chicago!" isn't discussion, it's just an attempt to change the subject.

 

[Cippy91]

Because it's a deflection, and we don't like deflections, do we?

barfo

Lol

 

[Cippy91]

You just don't have a clue. White people have invented this term.

It's.

Just.

Crime.

Ohhhh okay thanks for blacksplaining to me

 

[dviss1]

Ohhhh okay thanks for blacksplaining to me

No I just deflected your whitesplaining black on black crime to me...

 

[dviss1]

Because you're not addressing it--you yourself admitted you have no suggestions, nothing to say about it besides it existing. Saying, "Yeah, but Chicago!" isn't discussion, it's just an attempt to change the subject.

He's deflecting and doesn't even know it.

 

[Cippy91]

Because you're not addressing it--you yourself admitted you have no suggestions, nothing to say about it besides it existing. Saying, "Yeah, but Chicago!" isn't discussion, it's just an attempt to change the subject.

Nobody else will even admit the existence of it here.ts hilarious and crazy at the same time. This happens every time this topic comes up on the forum, this place is so damn left, you can't address it without being racist. I have a great idea though, let's talk about trump in every thread as well as that one kkk rally. You guys could address those things all day even though they have been beat to death, I find it ironic. Yet 9 people die this past weekend, or 7, whatever it was and you guys are like hmmmm yeah sure whatever. Lol

 

[Cippy91]

No I just deflected your whitesplaining black on black crime to me...

Stop blacksplaining whitesplaining to me

 

[dviss1]

It's very real and you are very ignorant for dismissing it

Personal attacks when you're wrong?

The fact that you bring up black on black crime when someone brings up racism or police violence or charlottesville only shows that that is your go to deflection.

A construct, made up by white people, to be used for the exact reason you just used it.

Deflection.

Then I'm called ignorant.

 

[Cippy91]

Personal attacks when you're wrong?

The fact that you bring up black on black crime when someone brings up racism or police violence or charlottesville only shows that that is your go to deflection.

A construct, made up by white people, to be used for the exact reason you just used it.

Deflection.

Then I'm called ignorant.

I'm offended you told me I'm whitesplaining. Somebody help. Pls. I'm being harassed

 

[dviss1]

I'm offended you told me I'm whitesplaining. Somebody help. Pls. I'm being harassed

Just know, and you even admitted it above, that you don't have the answer to "black on black crime" because you still haven't figured out what to do about white on white crime.

And since you DON'T have the answer, there's no way to show us how to fix the problem. And even if you did have the answer, you aren't willing to tell us.

You are however, willing to tell us what we should focus on instead of:

White supremecy
White privilege
KKK and Nazi violence
Police brutality
or anything else that's caused by white people.

Because these things are small problems that are figments of our imagination.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I just think it's sad black lives matter doesn't actually care about black lives. Kids die every weekend there in Chicago and nobody gives a fuck. It's gotten so out of hand the cops can't control it.

Wanted to cut out some of the chaff and isolate the wheat, because I think this part of your post really succinctly identifies the basis for the miscommunication.

The basics of the BLM movement--as I've come to understand it--is to highlight the way the police (by the black community's persception) seems to view black people and their lives as less valuable than those of white lives.

The critical connection to Chicago (and other BoB crime) is to say, "If you really want to tell us how 'Black Lives Matter', shouldn't you be more focused on where most black lives are lost?"

The BLM side sees this as an intentional deflection of attention away from what they see as power-based injustice, and says that the quantity of deaths attributable to one source or the other isn't the issue.

Can I offer up a couple of (potentially misguided, but reasonable to me) analogies that might help illustrate this?

• Let's say you own a hardware store. The economy in the area takes a hit, and you have a bad quarter. Lost about $50,000 overall. Last day of the quarter, someone came in and stole a $1,000 tool, but you caught them. Do you say, "Big deal, I've lost $50K this quarter, this $1,000 theft is nothing in comparison"? No--you prosecute the thief, and separately try to address the cause of the loss.
• Let's say you're on a football team. Every day in practice, offense and defense are fighting with one another. DB's and WR's one day. OL and DL the next. Day after day. Then gameday comes around, and one of the opposition's linebackers takes a cheap shot at your quarterback. Do you say, "We fight with each other so much, that opponent's cheap shot is no big deal"? No--your whole team bum rushes the offender, because intra-squad skirmishes are much, much more acceptable than any outsider disrespecting one of your own.

When we hear the black community complaining about police violence on black people, and rather than commiserating with their concerns, we try to minimize or dismiss them by pointing to another issue which we feel should be of greater concern to them, we're basically telling them that we know better than they do what they should be focused on, and it is going to naturally come off as incredibly condescending. Thinking about it that way, I can't blame @dviss1--or any other black person--for being offended by being told to pay attention to black-on-black crime.

 

[dviss1]

Wanted to cut out some of the chaff and isolate the wheat, because I think this part of your post really succinctly identifies the basis for the miscommunication.

The basics of the BLM movement--as I've come to understand it--is to highlight the way the police (by the black community's persception) seems to view black people and their lives as less valuable than those of white lives.

The critical connection to Chicago (and other BoB crime) is to say, "If you really want to tell us how 'Black Lives Matter', shouldn't you be more focused on where most black lives are lost?"

The BLM side sees this as an intentional deflection of attention away from what they see as power-based injustice, and says that the quantity of deaths attributable to one source or the other isn't the issue.

Can I offer up a couple of (potentially misguided, but seemingly reasonable) analogies that might help illustrate this?

• Let's say you own a hardware store. The economy in the area takes a hit, and you have a bad quarter. Lost about $50,000 overall. Last day of the quarter, someone came in and stole a $1,000 tool, but you caught them. Do you say, "Big deal, I've lost $50K this quarter, this $1,000 theft is nothing in comparison"? No--you prosecute the thief, and separately try to address the cause of the loss.
• Let's say you're on a football team. Every day in practice, offense and defense are fighting with one another. DB's and WR's one day. OL and DL the next. Day after day. Then gameday comes around, and one of the oppositions linebackers takes a cheap shot at your quarterback. Do you say, "We fight with each other so much, that opponent's cheap shot is no big deal"? No--your whole team bum rushes the offender, because intra-squad skirmishes are much, much more acceptable than any outsider disrespecting one of your own.

When we hear the black community complaining about police violence on black people, and rather than commiserating with their concerns, we try to minimize or dismiss them by pointing to another issue which we feel should be of greater concern to them, we're basically telling them that we know better than they do what they should be focused on, and it is going to naturally come off as incredibly condescending. Thinking about it that way, I can't blame @dviss1--or any other black person--for being offended by being told to pay attention to black-on-black crime.

Thank you.

 

[Minstrel]

you can't address it without being racist.

Again, you're not addressing it. Saying, "Jeez, guys, what about black-on-black crime?" isn't addressing anything, nor is it discussing it. It's just an attempt to change the subject to how black people should focus on themselves and stop talking about police brutality or white supremacist marches.

If you actually had something worthwhile to say on the subject, perhaps there could be a discussion, but you've said yourself that you don't. You just know Chicago's a pretty bad scene and there are black and Mexican neighborhoods that scare you.

 

[Cippy91]

Just know, and you even admitted it above, that you don't have the answer to "black on black crime" because you still haven't figured out what to do about white on white crime.

And since you DON'T have the answer, there's no way to show us how to fix the problem. And even if you did have the answer, you aren't willing to tell us.

You are however, willing to tell us what we should focus on instead of:

White supremecy
White privilege
KKK and Nazi violence
Police brutality
or anything else that's caused by white people.

Because these things are small problems that are figments of our imagination.

I never said that. I think it's been covered numerous times on here that all those things are bad. However you can't even admit black on black crime is bad. Interesting

 

[Cippy91]

Wanted to cut out some of the chaff and isolate the wheat, because I think this part of your post really succinctly identifies the basis for the miscommunication.

The basics of the BLM movement--as I've come to understand it--is to highlight the way the police (by the black community's persception) seems to view black people and their lives as less valuable than those of white lives.

The critical connection to Chicago (and other BoB crime) is to say, "If you really want to tell us how 'Black Lives Matter', shouldn't you be more focused on where most black lives are lost?"

The BLM side sees this as an intentional deflection of attention away from what they see as power-based injustice, and says that the quantity of deaths attributable to one source or the other isn't the issue.

Can I offer up a couple of (potentially misguided, but reasonable to me) analogies that might help illustrate this?

• Let's say you own a hardware store. The economy in the area takes a hit, and you have a bad quarter. Lost about $50,000 overall. Last day of the quarter, someone came in and stole a $1,000 tool, but you caught them. Do you say, "Big deal, I've lost $50K this quarter, this $1,000 theft is nothing in comparison"? No--you prosecute the thief, and separately try to address the cause of the loss.
• Let's say you're on a football team. Every day in practice, offense and defense are fighting with one another. DB's and WR's one day. OL and DL the next. Day after day. Then gameday comes around, and one of the opposition's linebackers takes a cheap shot at your quarterback. Do you say, "We fight with each other so much, that opponent's cheap shot is no big deal"? No--your whole team bum rushes the offender, because intra-squad skirmishes are much, much more acceptable than any outsider disrespecting one of your own.

When we hear the black community complaining about police violence on black people, and rather than commiserating with their concerns, we try to minimize or dismiss them by pointing to another issue which we feel should be of greater concern to them, we're basically telling them that we know better than they do what they should be focused on, and it is going to naturally come off as incredibly condescending. Thinking about it that way, I can't blame @dviss1--or any other black person--for being offended by being told to pay attention to black-on-black crime.

Yeah you didn't have to type all that out for me, I'm not retarded. Blm claims their movement is because of police in America. Well maybe they shouldn't of chose the name "black lives matter" if they don't wanna address all the young black men being killed by other young black men. And while I agree cases like philando, Eric garner, Freddie gray should of been protested. They still stand firm on one of the sketchiest cases out there which would be Michael brown. But hey let's just protest and come up witch catchy phrases and say all cops are evil. Sure.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Yeah you didn't have to type all that out for me, I'm not retarded. Blm claims their movement is because of police in America. Well maybe they shouldn't of chose the name "black lives matter" if they don't wanna address all the young black men being killed by other young black men. And while I agree cases like philando, Eric garner, Freddie gray should of been protested. They still stand firm on one of the sketchiest cases out there which would be Michael brown. But hey let's just protest and come up witch catchy phrases and say all cops are evil. Sure.

So if they picked a different name, you'd be less irritated by the BLM movement?

 

[dviss1]

Wanted to cut out some of the chaff and isolate the wheat, because I think this part of your post really succinctly identifies the basis for the miscommunication.

The basics of the BLM movement--as I've come to understand it--is to highlight the way the police (by the black community's persception) seems to view black people and their lives as less valuable than those of white lives.

The critical connection to Chicago (and other BoB crime) is to say, "If you really want to tell us how 'Black Lives Matter', shouldn't you be more focused on where most black lives are lost?"

The BLM side sees this as an intentional deflection of attention away from what they see as power-based injustice, and says that the quantity of deaths attributable to one source or the other isn't the issue.

Can I offer up a couple of (potentially misguided, but reasonable to me) analogies that might help illustrate this?

• Let's say you own a hardware store. The economy in the area takes a hit, and you have a bad quarter. Lost about $50,000 overall. Last day of the quarter, someone came in and stole a $1,000 tool, but you caught them. Do you say, "Big deal, I've lost $50K this quarter, this $1,000 theft is nothing in comparison"? No--you prosecute the thief, and separately try to address the cause of the loss.
• Let's say you're on a football team. Every day in practice, offense and defense are fighting with one another. DB's and WR's one day. OL and DL the next. Day after day. Then gameday comes around, and one of the opposition's linebackers takes a cheap shot at your quarterback. Do you say, "We fight with each other so much, that opponent's cheap shot is no big deal"? No--your whole team bum rushes the offender, because intra-squad skirmishes are much, much more acceptable than any outsider disrespecting one of your own.

When we hear the black community complaining about police violence on black people, and rather than commiserating with their concerns, we try to minimize or dismiss them by pointing to another issue which we feel should be of greater concern to them, we're basically telling them that we know better than they do what they should be focused on, and it is going to naturally come off as incredibly condescending. Thinking about it that way, I can't blame @dviss1--or any other black person--for being offended by being told to pay attention to black-on-black crime.

All houses matter. When one is on fire, do we put water on the houses that aren't ablaze?

 

[dviss1]

Yeah you didn't have to type all that out for me, I'm not retarded. Blm claims their movement is because of police in America. Well maybe they shouldn't of chose the name "black lives matter" if they don't wanna address all the young black men being killed by other young black men. And while I agree cases like philando, Eric garner, Freddie gray should of been protested. They still stand firm on one of the sketchiest cases out there which would be Michael brown. But hey let's just protest and come up witch catchy phrases and say all cops are evil. Sure.

But I bet you think Blue lives matter.

 

[dviss1]

I never said that. I think it's been covered numerous times on here that all those things are bad. However you can't even admit black on black crime is bad. Interesting

Because it's not a thing. It's simply crime. The fact that it happens to be other blacks is TWOFOLD. Proximity and the fact that we don't really do bad things to white folk.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Well there were a bunch of Charlottesville protesters chanting white lives matter, yet they don't even care about the white on white crime.

 

[Cippy91]

Again, you're not addressing it. Saying, "Jeez, guys, what about black-on-black crime?" isn't addressing anything, nor is it discussing it. It's just an attempt to change the subject to how black people should focus on themselves and stop talking about police brutality or white supremacist marches.

If you actually had something worthwhile to say on the subject, perhaps there could be a discussion, but you've said yourself that you don't. You just know Chicago's a pretty bad scene and there are black and Mexican neighborhoods that scare you.

No I said quite a few things but got told it was a construct. You don't find it interesting that 13 percent of this country, black people make up yet the crime rate on each other is insane? I think that's pretty telling right there. Most black people these days wanna just sit around and blame white people. It's easy. Easy excuse as to how you failed in life. However I have seen many black people make it out of the hood because they didn't use this as an excuse. Our boy dame for example. Could of used it as an excuse and white apologists like you would of been okay with it but instead he made a name. Probably worth a good 300 million now in his life at the age of 26. Now that's a success story. No excuses. Just straight focus and grind. No excuses.

Apparently you also don't find it alarming that in Chicago many die every weekend. That also excludes bad places like Baltimore as well. We are talking one city. The issue is you don't care enough, you are the one truthfully deflecting. I said plenty in this thread but gave up when told I was whitesplaining and that it's all just a construct

 

[Cippy91]

So if they picked a different name, you'd be less irritated by the BLM movement?

No I just find their name ironic honestly. Everything I have seen from that movement including the new feminist movement as well as antifa, far right. All of it just breeds more hate. Never seen a peaceful protest out of those groups. Just crazy ideologies

 

[Minstrel]

Apparently you also don't find it alarming that in Chicago many die every weekend.

I think it's a problem, which I mentioned earlier in the thread. But it's a crime problem, not a "black people" problem. The insinuation that black people are inherently more violent and need to sort themselves out sounds more than a little racist, which I presume is why you're getting the blowback you resent so much.

 

[Cippy91]

But I bet you think Blue lives matter.

I think everybody matters. That's why I bring it up. You think I bring up black on black crime as a way to say hey look these people are bad. No, it's really just me saying hey I give a fuck about these people over here, I don't want these young kids dying every weekend due to stupid shit. I address it because I care. Even here in gresham, you think I like hearing about a 16 year old stabbed in the park over gang shit? Or another that recently got shot in the head by other teenagers? I mean I don't know what I'm supposed to say anymore, I have made myself clear but you still find a way to twist it into your own thing

 

[Cippy91]

Well there were a bunch of Charlottesville protesters chanting white lives matter, yet they don't even care about the white on white crime.

Yeah and they are retarded. I call it on both sides. Most don't because of bias views.

 

[Minstrel]

I call it on both sides. Most don't because of bias views.

Example of your virtue signaling. You virtue signal the things you view as virtues and that you believe you possess. Just for future reference when you go on one of your rants about virtue signaling.

 

[Cippy91]

I think it's a problem, which I mentioned earlier in the thread. But it's a crime problem, not a "black people" problem. The insinuation that black people are inherently more violent and need to sort themselves out sounds more than a little racist, which I presume is why you're getting the blowback you resent so much.

I disagree, I think black people brought up in those environments are inherently violent and there is proof behind it, otherwise you wouldn't have 16 year olds shooting at each other over there. It's how gangs operate. Kids are raised like that. I'm not saying all black people, just most of those in those environments. It's logic, but of course you're another one to claim racist on it

 

[Cippy91]

Example of your virtue signaling. You virtue signal the things you view as virtues and that you believe you possess. Just for future reference when you go on one of your rants about virtue signaling.

Not really, I do call it on both sides. You just twist things I say how you want. Typical left way. On this forum I have criticized everything from the neo nazis to police, everything. Check my history. I address everything.