Science If you think you agree with this cartoon, please explain it to me

[PtldPlatypus]

I think everybody matters. That's why I bring it up. You think I bring up black on black crime as a way to say hey look these people are bad. No, it's really just me saying hey I give a fuck about these people over here, I don't want these young kids dying every weekend due to stupid shit. I address it because I care. Even here in gresham, you think I like hearing about a 16 year old stabbed in the park over gang shit? Or another that recently got shot in the head by other teenagers? I mean I don't know what I'm supposed to say anymore, I have made myself clear but you still find a way to twist it into your own thing

It's great that you care about gang violence. It's admirable that you want to bring attention to the loss of teenage lives. It's fantastic that you want to address it.

The ONLY thing that people really take issue with (and the reason the cartoon in the OP is offensive) is when seemingly well-meaning people imply that because gang violence exists, they shouldn't care about other injustices. As a species, we have the ability to care about and address multiple different problems simultaneously.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

If Donald Trump grew up in a single wide in Alabama he'd be a different person. It's just the truth. So would I.

Environment has everything to do with it. Not skin.

 

[Minstrel]

Not really, I do call it on both sides. You just twist things I say how you want. Typical left way. On this forum I have criticized everything from the neo nazis to police, everything. Check my history. I address everything.

I'm not saying you do or you don't. I'm just saying you're virtue signaling like hell about your "impartiality."

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I disagree, I think black people brought up in those environments are inherently violent and there is proof behind it, otherwise you wouldn't have 16 year olds shooting at each other over there. It's how gangs operate. Kids are raised like that. I'm not saying all black people, just most of those in those environments. It's logic, but of course you're another one to claim racist on it

There's a contradiction in saying that they're inherently violent, and that they were raised that way. Inherent means, "existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute." In other words, if they are "inherently violent", it means they were born that way.

Just saying, you might want to pick different phraseology if you don't want to be perceived as racist.

 

[dviss1]

I disagree, I think black people brought up in those environments are inherently violent and there is proof behind it, otherwise you wouldn't have 16 year olds shooting at each other over there. It's how gangs operate. Kids are raised like that. I'm not saying all black people, just most of those in those environments. It's logic, but of course you're another one to claim racist on it

Sigh.... This is why I disengage with a lot of white males on race... They seem to only use their own perspective and refuse to stand in another's shoes... I've met many that can talk about it but in general if they're not willing to see other perspectives that makes me disengage.

 

[dviss1]

There's a contradiction in saying that they're inherently violent, and that they were raised that way. Inherent means, "existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute." In other words, if they are "inherently violent", it means they were born that way.

Just saying, you might want to pick different phraseology if you don't want to be perceived as racist.

Great post.

 

[Cippy91]

It's great that you care about gang violence. It's admirable that you want to bring attention to the loss of teenage lives. It's fantastic that you want to address it.

The ONLY thing that people really take issue with (and the reason the cartoon in the OP is offensive) is when seemingly well-meaning people imply that because gang violence exists, they shouldn't care about other injustices. As a species, we have the ability to care about and address multiple different problems simultaneously.

I never said that, I don't control how people think. I just find it crazy the thing I am addressing I get called racist for it and I am whitesplaining all of a sudden. Like alright, great conversation. I think a single rally has gotten full attention. I still don't think people care nearly enough the same way for kids lives being lost. Black lives at that yet everybody acts like they care about black lives. It's interesting to watch

 

[Cippy91]

If Donald Trump grew up in a single wide in Alabama he'd be a different person. It's just the truth. So would I.

Environment has everything to do with it. Not skin.

Maybe, maybe not. Can't say for sure

 

[Cippy91]

I'm not saying you do or you don't. I'm just saying you're virtue signaling like hell about your "impartiality."

That's dope, interesting how I type something out to you and you call me out for virtue signaling. Deflect deflect deflect

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

We'll never agree on anything. I say loyalty by Kendrick Lamar is the worst song ever played on the radio. I'm sure someone somewhere likes it.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I never said that, I don't control how people think. I just find it crazy the thing I am addressing I get called racist for it and I am whitesplaining all of a sudden. Like alright, great conversation. I think a single rally has gotten full attention. I still don't think people care nearly enough the same way for kids lives being lost. Black lives at that yet everybody acts like they care about black lives. It's interesting to watch

Crazy thought--have you considered that perhaps some of the causes of police-on-black violence and inner-city black-on-black violence might be inter-related?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Maybe, maybe not. Can't say for sure

Oh, he's working at Sams Club right now if that was his birthplace.

 

[Minstrel]

That's dope, interesting how I type something out to you and you call me out for virtue signaling.

Is it as interesting as when you call other people out for virtue signaling? I just thought you might like to see that you do it, too.

As for your post to me, PtldPlatypus responded to it quite well, which is why I didn't. I generally don't post "+1" or "What he/she said."

 

[Cippy91]

There's a contradiction in saying that they're inherently violent, and that they were raised that way. Inherent means, "existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute." In other words, if they are "inherently violent", it means they were born that way.

Just saying, you might want to pick different phraseology if you don't want to be perceived as racist.

Don't really care how I look because I am not racist. This is logic we are using right. Look at everything throughout history. The mob was raising my Grandpa in chicago to become one of them. He escaped. He could of easily fell into that trap though. Muslim extremists in the middle easts start raising the kids young to believe in their crazy ideologies to carry out these attacks. Kids grow up and see this shit, they usually fall into it therefor they are predisposed to it. Kids with alcoholic parents are predisposed to become alcoholics. What I am saying is fact. I am not saying EVERY single one, most though. It's just what happens in these environments. Obviously you are afraid of being labeled racist. I am not because I know I am not

 

[PtldPlatypus]

As for your post to me, PtldPlatypus responded to it quite well, which is why I didn't. I generally don't post "+1" or "What he/she said."

Well you should. I need the attaboys.

 

[Cippy91]

Sigh.... This is why I disengage with a lot of white males on race... They seem to only use their own perspective and refuse to stand in another's shoes... I've met many that can talk about it but in general if they're not willing to see other perspectives that makes me disengage.

What you just said is racist in itself yet nobody will call you out on it because you are black. Facts.

 

[Cippy91]

Is it as interesting as when you call other people out for virtue signaling? I just thought you might like to see that you do it, too.

As for your post to me, PtldPlatypus responded to it quite well, which is why I didn't. I generally don't post "+1" or "What he/she said."

dope let me make a trump thread real quick for you to rant all day on, maybe you will have something to say then. Hypocrite

 

[Minstrel]

It's just what happens in these environments. Obviously you are afraid of being labeled racist. I am not because I know I am not

PtldPlatypus' point was that you're using "inherently" incorrectly, if you mean that it is environment-based. If you really believed violence was inherent to black people, that would be racist, so you should probably use the word properly.

As to your point about environments, I agree with you. But that shows the folly in labeling "black-on-black crime"--the fact that it's black people committing X% of crime in Chicago is irrelevant. The environment is clearly the issue, which means that the real problem to focus on is how we fix the environment. Which, as I also said near the beginning of the thread, is an extremely complicated problem with a lot of moving parts.

 

[barfo]

I am not because I know I am not

Cool, it's like you are the anti-Descartes.

barfo

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Obviously you are afraid of being labeled racist.

No--what I'm saying is that since I don't believe you're racist, I don't think you actually meant to say what you said.

• If what you meant was that the higher rates of violence in inner-city black communities is a result of the environment in which the children are raised, then "inherent" isn't actually the word you wanted.
• If in fact you actually did mean to say that black people are born pre-disposed to violence, irrespective of the environment in which they are raised...well then, yeah, that's racist.

You're welcome to clarify which bullet point is correct.

PtldPlatypus' point was that you're using "inherently" incorrectly, if you mean that it is environment-based. If you really believed violence was inherent to black people, that would be racist, so you should probably use the word properly.

As to your point about environments, I agree with you. But that shows the folly in labeling "black-on-black crime"--the fact that it's black people committing X% of crime in Chicago is irrelevant. The environment is clearly the issue, which means that the real problem to focus on is how we fix the environment. Which, as I also said near the beginning of the thread, is an extremely complicated problem with a lot of moving parts.

+1. What he/she said.

 

[Minstrel]

Well you should. I need the attaboys.

Have a Like instead!

 

[Cippy91]

PtldPlatypus' point was that you're using "inherently" incorrectly, if you mean that it is environment-based. If you really believed violence was inherent to black people, that would be racist, so you should probably use the word properly.

As to your point about environments, I agree with you. But that shows the folly in labeling "black-on-black crime"--the fact that it's black people committing X% of crime in Chicago is irrelevant. The environment is clearly the issue, which means that the real problem to focus on is how we fix the environment. Which, as I also said near the beginning of the thread, is an extremely complicated problem with a lot of moving parts.

so we shouldn't label things how they are in fear of offending people? so don't talk about the neo nazis then and what they are because that's labeling how dare you.

makes no sense.

 

[andalusian]

Cool, it's like you are the anti-Descartes.

barfo

That's just mean.

 

[dviss1]

I disagree, I think black people brought up in those environments are inherently violent and there is proof behind it,

The fact that you can't tell this is a racist ass statement is telling.

And you don't seem to know what inherent means:

in·her·ent
inˈhirənt,inˈherənt/
adjective
adjective: inherent

1. existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute.
   "any form of mountaineering has its inherent dangers"
   synonyms: intrinsic, innate, immanent, built-in, indwelling, inborn, ingrained, deep-rooted; More
   
   antonyms: acquired

Inherent means you're born that way....

 

[Cippy91]

No--what I'm saying is that since I don't believe you're racist, I don't think you actually meant to say what you said.

• If what you meant was that the higher rates of violence in inner-city black communities is a result of the environment in which the children are raised, then "inherent" isn't actually the word you wanted.
• If in fact you actually did mean to say that black people are born pre-disposed to violence, irrespective of the environment in which they are raised...well then, yeah, that's racist.

You're welcome to clarify which bullet point is correct.



+1. What he/she said.

Pretty sure I made it clear the first bullet point is what I meant but it looks like the PC police is on my ass. You guys couldn't figure that out?

"just watch what you say man"

uhhhhh okay. I am not afraid of this racist label people wanna hand out like candy for anything because I am not a racist. I don't need to prove it to randoms on a fucking forum. I don't need people in here trying to make me say shit exactly how they want, you should be able to know what I am saying. It's not that hard to read between the lines after I explained a million times but I am glad this has now become a PC course in how to talk

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Reading Cippy's posts you'd think he'd be a big supporter of black on black crime.

Especially murder.

 

[Cippy91]

The fact that you can't tell this is a racist ass statement is telling.

And you don't seem to know what inherent means:

in·her·ent
inˈhirənt,inˈherənt/
adjective
adjective: inherent

1. existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute.
   "any form of mountaineering has its inherent dangers"
   synonyms: intrinsic, innate, immanent, built-in, indwelling, inborn, ingrained, deep-rooted; More
   
   antonyms: acquired

Inherent means you're born that way....

right and I could say the same about you talking about how you can't talk to white males or all your whitesplaining comments. RASIED IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. THAT ENVIRONMENT. ENVIRONMENT

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Pretty sure I made it clear the first bullet point is what I meant but it looks like the PC police is on my ass. You guys couldn't figure that out?

"just watch what you say man"

uhhhhh okay. I am not afraid of this racist label people wanna hand out like candy for anything because I am not a racist. I don't need to prove it to randoms on a fucking forum. I don't need people in here trying to make me say shit exactly how they want, you should be able to know what I am saying. It's not that hard to read between the lines after I explained a million times but I am glad this has now become a PC course in how to talk

Serious questions for you, what's the answer(s)?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

so we shouldn't label things how they are in fear of offending people? so don't talk about the neo nazis then and what they are because that's labeling how dare you.

makes no sense.

Considering your comments about the name of the "Black Lives Matter" movement, it would seem that properly naming/labeling something is important to you. So rather than labeling "black-on-black" crime as such when it's driven more by socioeconomics than by skin color, wouldn't "poor-on-poor" crime be more appropriate?

Pretty sure I made it clear the first bullet point is what I meant but it looks like the PC police is on my ass. You guys couldn't figure that out?

"just watch what you say man"

uhhhhh okay. I am not afraid of this racist label people wanna hand out like candy for anything because I am not a racist. I don't need to prove it to randoms on a fucking forum. I don't need people in here trying to make me say shit exactly how they want, you should be able to know what I am saying. It's not that hard to read between the lines after I explained a million times but I am glad this has now become a PC course in how to talk

Just trying to help you out. Again, proper labeling is important, so I don't want you to unintentionally incorrectly label inner-city blacks as "inherently" violent.

I share because I care.

 

[Cippy91]

Reading Cippy's posts you'd think he'd be a big supporter of black on black crime.

Especially murder.

No I really just wish people cared enough to talk about it without the fear of being labeled racist but nobody can so I gave up a while ago on here, yall can have your little trump threads, real issues dont matter on here obviously and if you bring them up, you are just a fucking racist