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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>FOMW: I don't think the Suns would give up Raja for RJ straight up, let alone as a fill in. One of the rare underpaid players in the league (compared to league standards).

-Petey</div>

Obviously one of the major "assets" the Nets are trading to the Suns in this scenario is the absorption of a late 30s player earning $40M over the next two years that many feel does not fit the Phoenix system (it remains to be seen whether he is a net gain or loss vis-a-vis a Marion-type small forward). It's hard to quantify the value of that absorption when Shaq's salary immediately cripples the financial freedom of any team acquiring him, especially when you factor in Nash's age and the urgency Phoenix surely must feel to perfect their roster NOW, not three seasons from now. That's why I think this is a reasonable deal for both sides, or at least one that should not induce laughter or bug eyes from either side.

Diop offers a decent replacement for the big, physical body and defensive paint and rebounding presence that Phoenix wanted when they traded for Shaq. Like Shaq, his primary tangible value to Phoenix would be to free Stoudamire to play the majority of minutes at the 4. Of course Diop offers much less offensive finesse than Shaq and the intangibles aren't comparable. But then he's only 26 and costs a quarter of what O'Neal does. Jefferson gives them arguably an even better replacement for Marion on the offensive end of the floor, certainly one who is equally adept at running/finishing fast breaks and moving without the ball. And in the deal proposed the Suns still net almost a negative $5M on their payroll, freeing them to use their full MLE to acquire a replacement for Bell without any (additional) luxury tax considerations. There may not be a lot of guys around who could give them what they lose in Bell for the same money, but attractive teams like Phoenix always land those high value, glue guys. Maybe it would be a James Jones, maybe someone else, but they'd lure someone valuable.

So, even though I might disagree on whether they would do RJ for Raja straight up (salaries aside, of course), when you factor in all the elements of the deal, I think it's something they'd have to consider.
 
Jefferson unlike Marion, can't play PF. And especially in the West. One of the glue guys you allude to would be like Grant Hill? What would happen to him with RJ? Neither can play PF, neither is a good enough shooter to replace Bell.

If their goal is to be competitive, they won't make the move. And in terms of long term, it doesn't even save them much money.

-Petey
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jefferson unlike Marion, can't play PF. And especially in the West. One of the glue guys you allude to would be like Grant Hill? What would happen to him with RJ? Neither can play PF, neither is a good enough shooter to replace Bell.

If their goal is to be competitive, they won't make the move. And in terms of long term, it doesn't even save them much money.

-Petey</div>
Her point was that Amare would be able to play PF with Diop at center. RJ can be a SF. With the $5mm in savings they can get a player like Pietrus or Jones and put Barbosa or Diaw in the starting lineup.

Deal made sense to me. Not sure if it makes sense for NJ to risk the near future on Shaq. He limits who they can bring in, but there would be a huge open hole in the payroll in 2010 when Lebron is available. But maybe that was Phoenix's thinking when they took on Shaq. Maybe they dream of an Amare/Lebron pairing?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 10 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jefferson unlike Marion, can't play PF. And especially in the West. One of the glue guys you allude to would be like Grant Hill? What would happen to him with RJ? Neither can play PF, neither is a good enough shooter to replace Bell.

If their goal is to be competitive, they won't make the move. And in terms of long term, it doesn't even save them much money.

-Petey</div>
Her point was that Amare would be able to play PF with Diop at center. RJ can be a SF. With the $5mm in savings they can get a player like Pietrus or Jones and put Barbosa or Diaw in the starting lineup.

Deal made sense to me. Not sure if it makes sense for NJ to risk the near future on Shaq. He limits who they can bring in, but there would be a huge open hole in the payroll in 2010 when Lebron is available. But maybe that was Phoenix's thinking when they took on Shaq. Maybe they dream of an Amare/Lebron pairing?
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I understand her point. But Marion was their PF. They played him with Amare, Hill, Raja and Nash.

Without Shaq, replaced by a cheaper PF or Center (Like Diop), what do they do with Hill or Jefferson? Neither unlike Marion was able to play PF, creating room for another swingman on the floor.

So the freed up MLE would need to be spent on a SG and a C/PF? While taking on Jefferson's years? Not sure that's something the Suns would consider.

-Petey
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets would put Diop in the Phoenix deal using a S&T and a major portion of their MLE (he would be BYC for trade purposes because his actual salary would be a significant raise to about $5M/year.)</div>

The MLE can't be used sign and trade a player.

However, the Nets would have full Bird Rights on Diop as he is coming off a 3 year contract.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Without Shaq, replaced by a cheaper PF or Center (Like Diop), what do they do with Hill or Jefferson? Neither unlike Marion was able to play PF, creating room for another swingman on the floor.

So the freed up MLE would need to be spent on a SG and a C/PF? While taking on Jefferson's years? Not sure that's something the Suns would consider.

-Petey</div>

Hill moves to the bench, where he belongs, frankly, and RJ is the starting SF. They spend the MLE to bring in as versatile a 2 guard, to replace Bell, as they can get. Barbosa and that player share minutes at the 2 with Hill backing up the 3. Makes sense to me.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 10 2008, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Without Shaq, replaced by a cheaper PF or Center (Like Diop), what do they do with Hill or Jefferson? Neither unlike Marion was able to play PF, creating room for another swingman on the floor.

So the freed up MLE would need to be spent on a SG and a C/PF? While taking on Jefferson's years? Not sure that's something the Suns would consider.

-Petey</div>

Hill moves to the bench, where he belongs, frankly, and RJ is the starting SF. They spend the MLE to bring in as versatile a 2 guard, to replace Bell, as they can get. Barbosa and that player share minutes at the 2 with Hill backing up the 3. Makes sense to me.
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Why does Hill move to the bench?

He's started all but 2 games he's played. Shooting over 50% all year. Every time I've watched the Suns, he looks like he's doing his part. He's certainly not holding them back, and considering he's one of the guys you mentioned that would sign on the cheap... LLE he's a great value. I don't see many LLE type options at a 5/4 or 2 that would need replacing in the above example.

Look at Hill's numbers. Is what RJ gonna bring that improves on what Hill provided worth adding, if it meant having limited resources to replace a big man and your shooting guard?

-Petey
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 10 2008, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Without Shaq, replaced by a cheaper PF or Center (Like Diop), what do they do with Hill or Jefferson? Neither unlike Marion was able to play PF, creating room for another swingman on the floor.

So the freed up MLE would need to be spent on a SG and a C/PF? While taking on Jefferson's years? Not sure that's something the Suns would consider.

-Petey</div>

Hill moves to the bench, where he belongs, frankly, and RJ is the starting SF. They spend the MLE to bring in as versatile a 2 guard, to replace Bell, as they can get. Barbosa and that player share minutes at the 2 with Hill backing up the 3. Makes sense to me.
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Why does Hill move to the bench?

He's started all but 2 games he's played. Shooting over 50% all year. Every time I've watched the Suns, he looks like he's doing his part. He's certainly not holding them back, and considering he's one of the guys you mentioned that would sign on the cheap... LLE he's a great value. I don't see many LLE type options at a 5/4 or 2 that would need replacing in the above example.

Look at Hill's numbers. Is what RJ gonna bring that improves on what Hill provided worth adding, if it meant having limited resources to replace a big man and your shooting guard?

-Petey
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The only thing I can think of is a little better shooting, and possibly(?) a better runner in the fastbreak game. Not all too sure about that, though. And I wouldn't make that trade if I was the Suns or the Nets anyways.
 
That proposed Suns trade is great for the other 14 Western Conference teams.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 10 2008, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The only thing I can think of is a little better shooting, and possibly(?) a better runner in the fastbreak game. Not all too sure about that, though. And I wouldn't make that trade if I was the Suns or the Nets anyways.</div>

Great trade for the Nets. Shaq will be a nice big-man draw in the area (where NYC still longs for Ewing). I was at MSG 2 weeks ago, waiting outside I heard some people bitch about how they miss Ewing. Then some who complained how his hands were too small to palm a ball.

But most importantly clears cap space a year earlier.

-Petey
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 10 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jefferson unlike Marion, can't play PF. And especially in the West. One of the glue guys you allude to would be like Grant Hill? What would happen to him with RJ? Neither can play PF, neither is a good enough shooter to replace Bell.

If their goal is to be competitive, they won't make the move. And in terms of long term, it doesn't even save them much money.

-Petey</div>
Her point was that Amare would be able to play PF with Diop at center. RJ can be a SF. With the $5mm in savings they can get a player like Pietrus or Jones and put Barbosa or Diaw in the starting lineup.

Deal made sense to me. Not sure if it makes sense for NJ to risk the near future on Shaq. He limits who they can bring in, but there would be a huge open hole in the payroll in 2010 when Lebron is available. But maybe that was Phoenix's thinking when they took on Shaq. Maybe they dream of an Amare/Lebron pairing?
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I understand her point. But Marion was their PF. They played him with Amare, Hill, Raja and Nash.

Without Shaq, replaced by a cheaper PF or Center (Like Diop), what do they do with Hill or Jefferson? Neither unlike Marion was able to play PF, creating room for another swingman on the floor.

So the freed up MLE would need to be spent on a SG and a C/PF? While taking on Jefferson's years? Not sure that's something the Suns would consider.

-Petey
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Petey, all you had to say was that you think a frontline of Shaq, Amare and Grant is better than Diop, Amare, Jefferson.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 10 2008, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Petey, all you had to say was that you think a frontline of Shaq, Amare and Grant is better than Diop, Amare, Jefferson.</div>

Though, I still stand by my point that Bell is almost their perfect 2-guard. How are you replacing them?

-Petey
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 10 2008, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Petey, all you had to say was that you think a frontline of Shaq, Amare and Grant is better than Diop, Amare, Jefferson.</div>

Though, I still stand by my point that Bell is almost their perfect 2-guard. How are you replacing them?

-Petey
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Petey, you have to go back and read. FOMW mentioned using the MLE on a player like James Jones and I mentioned Pietrus. They also have Barbosa. I'm not advocating the trade, just saying it made sense (meaning it wasn't completely off the wall). Everything depends on how Phoenix feels about the Shaq experiment. If they don't like it then I could see them exploring a trade like this.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 10 2008, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 10 2008, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Petey, all you had to say was that you think a frontline of Shaq, Amare and Grant is better than Diop, Amare, Jefferson.</div>

Though, I still stand by my point that Bell is almost their perfect 2-guard. How are you replacing them?

-Petey
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Petey, you have to go back and read. FOMW mentioned using the MLE on a player like James Jones and I mentioned Pietrus. They also have Barbosa. I'm not advocating the trade, just saying it made sense (meaning it wasn't completely off the wall). Everything depends on how Phoenix feels about the Shaq experiment. If they don't like it then I could see them exploring a trade like this.
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I did read that. But I mentioned that the use of the MLE to replace 2 impact players (SG and a big man) is pretty hard. Let alone finding a guy of Raja's quality.

-Petey
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I did read that. But I mentioned that the use of the MLE to replace 2 impact players (SG and a big man) is pretty hard. Let alone finding a guy of Raja's quality.

-Petey</div>
What two players are they using the MLE on? Diop would be signed as part of the trade with the Nets.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 10 2008, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I did read that. But I mentioned that the use of the MLE to replace 2 impact players (SG and a big man) is pretty hard. Let alone finding a guy of Raja's quality.

-Petey</div>
What two players are they using the MLE on? Diop would be signed as part of the trade with the Nets.
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I wont consider Diop a starter. He wasnt even a starter with the Mavs.

-Petey
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 10 2008, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I did read that. But I mentioned that the use of the MLE to replace 2 impact players (SG and a big man) is pretty hard. Let alone finding a guy of Raja's quality.

-Petey</div>
What two players are they using the MLE on? Diop would be signed as part of the trade with the Nets.
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I wont consider Diop a starter. He wasnt even a starter with the Mavs.

-Petey
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Well I believe that was the concept. Then we are back to the fact you think Shaq, Amare, Grant is better than Diop, Amare, Jefferson. I can see that. It all depends on how the Suns view the Shaq experiment and going away from the fast pace game.

Oh, and Diop started the season as the Mavs starter. All of November. Was also the starter when they went to the Finals.
 
For shits and giggles...only if the Lakers don't win.

Trade Vince Carter to the Lakers for Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza

Trade for Mike Miller...not sure what the moving pieces would be...probably including Dallas pick and our 2009 first rounder.

Let Nenad go or S&T him.

Draft best available SG...imo Budinger.

PG: Devon Harris, Marcus Williams
SG: Mike Miller, Chase Budinger
SF: Richard Jefferson, Trevor Ariza
PF: Lamar Odom, Sean Williams
C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop

The great part being that Odom, RJ and Mike Miller would all have there contracts expire given us over 30 million in cap space for Lebron and possibly Wade...

Imagine a 2011 team featuring

PG: Devin Harris, Marcus Williams
SG: Dwayne Wade, Chase Budinger
SF: Lebron James, Trevor Ariza
PF: Sean Williams, FA signing/2010 draft pick
C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop
 
Speaking of Odom, I seriously doubt the Lakers would do it because of the length of RJ's contract. But I would do a straight up swap of RJ for Odom yesterday. It moves a big chunk of the Nets' talent and salary into a bigger player that can play the 4, and Odom's contract ends in 09. He could be resigned for a reasonable deal, and he's a very versatile player who plays both ends of the floor.

From the Lakers perspective, they get more quickness at the 3 with RJ, which I would think would be valuable for them since they are playing two 7 footers at the other frontcourt positions and are going to have trouble containing dribble penetration from quick, agile forwards.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 04:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>For shits and giggles...only if the Lakers don't win.

Trade Vince Carter to the Lakers for Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza

Trade for Mike Miller...not sure what the moving pieces would be...probably including Dallas pick and our 2009 first rounder.

Let Nenad go or S&T him.

Draft best available SG...imo Budinger.

PG: Devon Harris, Marcus Williams
SG: Mike Miller, Chase Budinger
SF: Richard Jefferson, Trevor Ariza
PF: Lamar Odom, Sean Williams
C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop

The great part being that Odom, RJ and Mike Miller would all have there contracts expire given us over 30 million in cap space for Lebron and possibly Wade...

Imagine a 2011 team featuring

PG: Devin Harris, Marcus Williams
SG: Dwayne Wade, Chase Budinger
SF: Lebron James, Trevor Ariza
PF: Sean Williams, FA signing/2010 draft pick
C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop</div>

i would cum if that would happen
 
Derek Fisher
Kobe Bryant
Vince Carter
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum

I bet they could be the 8 seed maybe
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 11 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Derek Fisher
Kobe Bryant
Vince Carter
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum

I bet they could be the 8 seed maybe</div>
So losing Odom who is not really a great or consistent SF in favor of Vince Carter would make the Lakers worse? I don't think so.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Angelo1405 @ Apr 11 2008, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 04:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>For shits and giggles...only if the Lakers don't win.

Trade Vince Carter to the Lakers for Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza

Trade for Mike Miller...not sure what the moving pieces would be...probably including Dallas pick and our 2009 first rounder.

Let Nenad go or S&T him.

Draft best available SG...imo Budinger.

PG: Devon Harris, Marcus Williams
SG: Mike Miller, Chase Budinger
SF: Richard Jefferson, Trevor Ariza
PF: Lamar Odom, Sean Williams
C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop

The great part being that Odom, RJ and Mike Miller would all have there contracts expire given us over 30 million in cap space for Lebron and possibly Wade...

Imagine a 2011 team featuring

PG: Devin Harris, Marcus Williams
SG: Dwayne Wade, Chase Budinger
SF: Lebron James, Trevor Ariza
PF: Sean Williams, FA signing/2010 draft pick
C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop</div>

i would cum if that would happen
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 03:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>For shits and giggles...only if the Lakers don't win.

Trade Vince Carter to the Lakers for Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza

Trade for Mike Miller...not sure what the moving pieces would be...probably including Dallas pick and our 2009 first rounder.

Let Nenad go or S&T him.

Draft best available SG...imo Budinger.

PG: Devon Harris, Marcus Williams
SG: Mike Miller, Chase Budinger
SF: Richard Jefferson, Trevor Ariza
PF: Lamar Odom, Sean Williams
C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop

The great part being that Odom, RJ and Mike Miller would all have there contracts expire given us over 30 million in cap space for Lebron and possibly Wade...

Imagine a 2011 team featuring

PG: Devin Harris, Marcus Williams
SG: Dwayne Wade, Chase Budinger
SF: Lebron James, Trevor Ariza
PF: Sean Williams, FA signing/2010 draft pick
C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop</div>

Now this is an idea thorn should hear about! email him or something.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 11 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Derek Fisher
Kobe Bryant
Vince Carter
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum

I bet they could be the 8 seed maybe</div>
So losing Odom who is not really a great or consistent SF in favor of Vince Carter would make the Lakers worse? I don't think so.
</div>

Point your avatar at yourself for missing the obvious sarcasm.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 11 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Derek Fisher
Kobe Bryant
Vince Carter
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum

I bet they could be the 8 seed maybe</div>
So losing Odom who is not really a great or consistent SF in favor of Vince Carter would make the Lakers worse? I don't think so.
</div>

Point your avatar at yourself for missing the obvious sarcasm.
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haha...should've read that more carefully...
Dunce for me.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 11 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Derek Fisher
Kobe Bryant
Vince Carter
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum

I bet they could be the 8 seed maybe</div>
So losing Odom who is not really a great or consistent SF in favor of Vince Carter would make the Lakers worse? I don't think so.
</div>

Point your avatar at yourself for missing the obvious sarcasm.
</div>
haha...should've read that more carefully...
Dunce for me.
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Umm IMO Odom> RJ
 
Vince Carter on the Lakers could create a commotion across all B-Ball forums. Imagine Vince fans arguing who is the better of the 2, Kobe or VC.

Could the internet survive?

-Petey
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 11 2008, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 11 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Derek Fisher
Kobe Bryant
Vince Carter
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum

I bet they could be the 8 seed maybe</div>
So losing Odom who is not really a great or consistent SF in favor of Vince Carter would make the Lakers worse? I don't think so.
</div>

Point your avatar at yourself for missing the obvious sarcasm.
</div>
haha...should've read that more carefully...
Dunce for me.
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Umm IMO Odom> RJ
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When you can tell me where RJ is in the proposed lineup of

Fisher
Kobe Bryant
Vince Carter
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum

I'll understand the point of your post
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 11 2008, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 11 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Derek Fisher
Kobe Bryant
Vince Carter
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum

I bet they could be the 8 seed maybe</div>
So losing Odom who is not really a great or consistent SF in favor of Vince Carter would make the Lakers worse? I don't think so.
</div>

Point your avatar at yourself for missing the obvious sarcasm.
</div>
haha...should've read that more carefully...
Dunce for me.
</div>



Umm IMO Odom> RJ
</div>

When you can tell me where RJ is in the proposed lineup of

Fisher
Kobe Bryant
Vince Carter
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum

I'll understand the point of your post
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If vince goes and rj stays i assume rj will be our sg and odom our sf thats all. I think odom is a better sf than Rj.
 
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