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Denny Crane said:
I did no such thing.

I just pointed out there's hypocrisy by being for banning guns and for allowing refugees to come here.

The former relies on the gumball theory. The latter ignores it.

RR7 didn't state his position on banning guns or accepting refugees.

BTW, my views are consistent. No ban on guns. Let the refugees in.
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There is no hypocrisy or consistency between these two totally unrelated issues. Hypocrisy and consistency depend on ones reasoning and belief constructs and if those constructs jive with each other. If I want to ban guns because I think they are ugly and if I want to ban refugees because they are ugly, there is no hypocrisy, although I would be a big fucking idiot.

So perhaps you are consistent based on your reasoning, but the issues are not intrinsically linked where one view dictates consistency based on the other topic.
 
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There is no hypocrisy or consistency between these two totally unrelated issues. Hypocrisy and consistency depend on ones reasoning and belief constructs and if those constructs jive with each other. If I want to ban guns because I think they are ugly and if I want to ban refugees because they are ugly, there is no hypocrisy, although I would be a big fucking idiot.
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The premise is the gumball principle, period.

If there are 200,000 gumballs and you know 3 are poison, would you eat a handful?

If there are 200,000 refugees and 3 are here to commit acts of terror, would you let the 200,000 refugees in?

If there are 200,000 gun owners and 3 shoot someone, would you ban the guns for all 200,000?

In the last case, this is one of the main arguments in favor of banning guns.

In the former case, this is one of the main arguments in favor of refusing the refugees.

They are quite linked by the same reasoning (or lack thereof).
 
Denny walks the walk. When those timbertrolls came as refugees, he invited them to stay. But, then when they commenced their terrorism of cock pics, he made them go back to Syria, or... I mean... whatever forum they came from.
 
Ummmmmmmmm, we aren't forgetting the 2nd amendment when we call people hypocrites are we? Seems to be a major difference.

I think someone with small children and a pitbull in the home is a moron. It's also their right.

I would ban the continued breeding of them if it were allowed. But, in a free country Jethro can raise all of the pitbulls he wants and let his 3 year old girl ride them like a horse.

Where is the refugee given the right to come here?
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Ummmmmmmmm, we aren't forgetting the 2nd amendment when we call people hypocrites are we? Seems to be a major difference.
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Not at all forgetting about the 2nd amendment. Pointing out that it's hypocritical to say you oppose the refugees entirely because it might save one life while refusing to acknowledge the same about guns doesn't get into a constitutional discussion. If one wasn't hypocritical and felt that strongly about the refugees in that manner, I would imagine they'd be in favor of looking into changes to the constitution, however. You know, if we could save just one life and all.

I'm not looking to change the constitution, before anyone wants to continue to try to assign positions to me.
 
RR7 said:
Not at all forgetting about the 2nd amendment. Pointing out that it's hypocritical to say you oppose the refugees entirely because it might save one life while refusing to acknowledge the same about guns doesn't get into a constitutional discussion. If one wasn't hypocritical and felt that strongly about the refugees in that manner, I would imagine they'd be in favor of looking into changes to the constitution, however. You know, if we could save just one life and all.

I'm not looking to change the constitution, before anyone wants to continue to try to assign positions to me.
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How is it hypocritical to believe in the 2nd amendment which is for our citizens and oppose refugees coming here?

There is a huge difference.

I don't know how it got into a one life strawman because then we ban cars and junkfood and tv because it could give you a seizure.

You can say the logic doesn't seem right. Like someone believing their entire religion. They aren't a hypocrite if they believe all of the conflicting shit they are taught in church. They're just dumb.
 
hobgoblins.

barfo
 
I see our misfit Governor says we will accept Refugees to Oregon. I heard on the radio yesterday of a poll that said over 65% of Oregonians were against this action. Seems about right,
around the same number of States have rejected the idea. Congress has also voted to reject them by a veto proof majority (even democrats!) 289-137.

I hope people remember this Governor, she needs to be scraped as soon as possible. She decides contrary with her citizens, her representatives, and her fellow Governors.
Some might see leadership, I see contrarian for the sake of being contrary.


This lady approve the bill to require back ground checks on the transfer of any gun. What the hell does a back ground check, check when doing a background search on a Syrian?

(correction needed here. I maybe in error calling the Governor a lady. I am not sure what term to use as I do not even know what the person considers self to be)

Answer: The same database the immigration authorities check to see if they have diseases, criminal records, or ties with terrorist groups, the blank relational database. The table entry
with their name will be created in the US sometime after coming here. Each one will qualify for purchase of what ever armament they think they need upon entry.


http://hotair.com/archives/2015/11/...ee-program-to-pass-by-wide-bipartisan-margin/
 
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MarAzul said:
Answer: The same database the immigration authorities check to see if they have diseases, criminal records, or ties with terrorist groups, the blank relational database. The table entry
with their name will be created in the US sometime after coming here.
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So, the government doesn't have any data on terrorists except the ones who have come to the US. Somehow I don't find that very believable.

Each one will qualify for purchase of what ever armament they think they need upon entry.
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They might want to join a militia, I hear it is important to give them that freedom.

barfo
 
MarAzul said:
So you think they know all about every terrorist. Want share why you think they are so smart? Also why not inform the Russian, Israelis and the French, I am sure they would like to know and are willing to take action
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brother...never argue with a troll
 
Those rich middle eastern prince dickheads wipe their ass with gold leaf toilet paper, why don't they take care of isis and the refugee problem? Why does it fall onto the West? We gain nothing by taking on refugees. Especially given that some in their numbers will be terrorists, and many Muslims have values that are totally contrary to our culture (and to human decency). I know many of them aren't like that, but the polls show it's a large enough percentage to be a problem. Just look at Sweden, since they've been taking in so many Muslim immigrants, they've become the rape capital of Europe.
 
Do they have any idea what these people are supposed to do once they get here?

Will they have jobs? Do they speak English? I mean, it's great that we're trying to help people out, but is there some kind of plan?
 
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Do they have any idea what these people are supposed to do once they get here?

Will they have jobs? Do they speak English? I mean, it's great that we're trying to help people out, but is there some kind of plan?
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I can't speak in exact terms for the way the US does it's refugee intake but I believe it to be similar to Canada's approach.

Canada takes about 10,000 refugees a year (US is something like 70,000). The Canadian plan is to take 25,000 Syrian refugees next year. Not sure what number the US is proposing. There are already 36,000 in Canada now (since 2013) and something like 2,000 in the US.

In both cases the refugees are vetted in an expedited process before landing. Once they are here they are given temporary accommodations and provisions while the gov't conducts more thorough checks. In Canada if they are deemed admissible they are given permanent residency-- not sure what status they would have in the US.

The process is quicker than traditional immigration but still preferable to illicit immigration where nothing can be checked.

Presumably if they have no family or charity/social service to aid them in seeking employment and a place to live they are on their own--I don't know if they are filtered in the vetting process for skills and education.
 
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“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”
 
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“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”
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That was back when this spot was new and needed members. Now the club is one of the hottest in town and membership is more exclusive. We can't just let ANYONE in. What would that say about our membership?
 
Natebishop3 said:
That was back when this spot was new and needed members. Now the club is one of the hottest in town and membership is more exclusive. We can't just let ANYONE in. What would that say about our membership?
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No, it's on a gift to us from France. They fucked us! That's some Nostradamus level trolling.
 
How are things ever gonna change there if the people don't rise up and overthrow their oppressors?
 
I'm surprised no one has put together that both Starbucks and Syria start with a S and both are having a war against Christianity.
 
Natebishop3 said:
How are things ever gonna change there if the people don't rise up and overthrow their oppressors?
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Why bring Trump into this thread? He hasn't even been elected yet. We can rise up after that happens.
 
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