I'm So SICK & TIRED of Neil Olshey

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I never said he could trade him after the draft. I simply said NO knew. If he knew when Hughes did, how do you know he DIDN'T know earlier? Do you know when NO was notified? If not, then you don't know when either, but it is plainly clear that many people knew before they admitted to knowing.

The gray area is how much earlier did they know?

None of us know this, but we DO know that NO is in charge of things like this. If he didn't explore all possible scenarios including LMA leaving and just banked on him resigning, that was a mistake. You dont take chances like that without having a plan b and c.
Orion, he did have a plan B. His plan was for 3 years to have all his big contracts expire the same year so he could rebuild if Aldridge left or bring everyone back if he stayed. You can't plan it any more thoroughly then that.
 
Well first of all, just because I blame Aldridge and not Olshey doesn't mean I think Olshey did a "great" job. Second of all, I'm still waiting for examples of teams that were really good that traded their best player in the middle of a really good season? I'm legitimately trying to think of an example.

I guess the Celtics traded Isaiah Thomas last summer but he was injured and they were getting a better PG in return.

In a small market you have to sometimes take a risk that your star will stay, especially if he is saying publicly he is. OKC did it with Durant. Cleveland did the 1st time with LeBron. Toronto did with Bosh. Did you know that Tim Duncan was set to sign with the Magic in 2000? He backed out at the last minute because Doc Rivers didn't allow family members on the team plane and wouldn't change his policy for Duncan (what an idiot). I just think it's crazy to blame anyone other than the player.
It would be just like Blake Griffin being traded 4 months ago.
Aldridge & Griffin are on the same level
 
It would be just like Blake Griffin being traded 4 months ago.
Aldridge & Griffin are on the same level
The Clippers weren't even in the playoffs at the time of the trade. Not even close to the same thing. The Blazers were likely going to be the 2nd seed with no clear favorite in the West.
 
but you never had a discussion with Aldridge either to form that opinion before hand did you?
No, but I followed his history for the first 7-8 years of his career to have a good feel of his character. It's not rocket science.
 
but you never had a discussion with Aldridge either to form that opinion before hand did you?

And you did right????????????????


lol, so because he knew shortly before free agency opened then he probably knew before the trade deadline? Now that's some seriously hilarious speculation there. It's impossible to have a logical discussion with many of you posters as you guys create your own manufactured scenarios.

Really? I'm playing your card man., Nobody knows. But you apparently. So how are you right and im wrong if its ALL speculation...
how about this. You are IMPOSSIBLE to have a mature conversation with. IM speaking basketball and have done nothign bu this morning, but here you are laughing at me and saying its impossible to have a ligical discussion, trying to [paint some of us in a corner. I just wanted to discuss things, but you cant just do that without insulting and trying to claim your opinion is right compared to others speculations.

Fuck this is weak sauce.



lol, good luck with that one. Did you get your pay check from Olshey yesterday? It's great to watch these guys fabricate their own stories.

I am my own person. Not one of these guys.... this is the very statement that makes you not very well liked around here.....

You would do yourself justice to take heed to some advise that has been given to you over the last month or so. Ease up on the personal shit, or I will go back to shitting all over your posts again.

Its all opinions. you are no more right than anyone else when its an opinion based on hearsay and speculation.

Why you cant just agree to disagree instead of finding ways to insult is baffling....


Anyone want to discuss this in a mature manner and understand that its all opinions and speculation and not have to belittle the other person, well... i'm right here......

Until then, back to real life cause this discussion is a waste of my time when it goes sideways like this so quickly. Im looking for mature debate. Not playground antics.
 
Orion, he did have a plan B. His plan was for 3 years to have all his big contracts expire the same year so he could rebuild if Aldridge left or bring everyone back if he stayed. You can't plan it any more thoroughly then that.

See I disagree. Eveyrone knows mood can change. HE should have been by LMA's side and feeling him out. Forcing the truth out of him.

Its all speculation. Im done with this thread for now... not enough mature posters like yourself.
 
So if Durant gets hurt in game 2 and then leaves this summer in free agency, Myers should've foreseen that and traded him at the deadline? Riley should have foreseen the Heat losing to the Spurs in the Finals and LeBron leaving for the Cavs? Presti should've foreseen Durant choking a 3-1 lead over the 73 win Warriors and deciding that he wasn't good enough to beat them so he joined them?
All GM’s job status goes back to how wel they guessed things would pan out and how well they planned those things. No it’s not fair, but we blame Presti for not foreseeing that Harden would be an MVP candidate someday, and choosing Ibaka over him. We will Blame Presti for the moves he made last summer that didn’t pan out. Just like we bash NO in hindsight for moves that didn’t pan out, and praise him for the ones that did. In this case the situation with Aldridge didn’t pan out, so we can criticize Aldridge, and NO for it. When the Blazers traded for Afflalo a lot of national people thought it was a good trade, in hindsight it was t, GM’s get judged by results that’s the way it is.
 
I swear, this is already the longest off-season in history...

Hey man, you live near Jason Lee elementary don't you? Any chance you might be able to swing by and see if they still have covered courts? :) I need to school you one way or another.
 
Hey man, you live near Jason Lee elementary don't you? Any chance you might be able to swing by and see if they still have covered courts? :) I need to school you one way or another.
I do, and I probably could. All the schools in Parkrose are now completely surrounded by chain link (pisses me off--back when I was a kid, we spent all summer hooping at the schools...), but that one's outside my district, so maybe it's still available to the public.
 
I do, and I probably could. All the schools in Parkrose are now completely surrounded by chain link (pisses me off--back when I was a kid, we spent all summer hooping at the schools...), but that one's outside my district, so maybe it's still available to the public.

That would be awesome. Save me from having to drive there tonight from Tualatin. :)
 
I swear, this is already the longest off-season in history...
This post sums up how I feel about this thread. It's kind of a fun discussion at this point, except all the weird insults and oddly personal stuff... The good news for the Blazers is it seems like their fans are passionate since we're here talking about them a month after they got knocked out of the playoffs. (has it been a month?).
 
This post sums up how I feel about this thread. It's kind of a fun discussion at this point, except all the weird insults and oddly personal stuff... The good news for the Blazers is it seems like their fans are passionate since we're here talking about them a month after they got knocked out of the playoffs. (has it been a month?).

We are crazy fanatics. All year round man! :)
 
Hey man, you live near Jason Lee elementary don't you? Any chance you might be able to swing by and see if they still have covered courts? :) I need to school you one way or another.

There is one off Killingsworth and around 87th that is covered. Played some games there several years back.
 
See I disagree. Eveyrone knows mood can change. HE should have been by LMA's side and feeling him out. Forcing the truth out of him.

Its all speculation. Im done with this thread for now... not enough mature posters like yourself.

So you don't think he did do that? Olshey didn't draft Aldridge so he had no emotional ties to him. He could have forced the truth out of him and at the deadline the truth could've been that he was staying. At that point when he changed his mind afterwards it was too late. Olshey hedged that bet by smartly being able to go a completely different direction if he did change his mind. We can argue how well he carried out that plan, but it is a fact that he at least had a contingency plan in place for that very scenario.

I keep thinking that there is no way Olshey would just let him leave without compensation in return if he knew or thought differently prior to the trade deadline. That leads me to believe either he thought Aldridge was staying or the most likely scenario is that Paul Allen wanted to go for it that year and deal with the consequences later. Based on Aldridge recently saying he made a mistake leaving it leads me to believe that he left just because and not for something someone did to him.
 
but only one of us spends all day bitching and moaning about Olshey and pretty much all things Blazers.:smack:
But only one of us spends all day feeling he has to defend any post that even remotely criticizes Olshey, and bitches and moans about the forum member who posted it
 
Not even close to the same situation. George publicly wanted out and was traded in the off season after it was apparent that team was going nowhere when it was swept in the 1st round. The Kings were bad every year and weren't close to the playoffs and were facing having to give Cousins a super max contract. I'll throw Love in there too as he wouldn't commit publicly to re-signing either.

Aldridge on the other hand had publicly committed to the team long term. The only reason he didn't sign an extension the year before he left was that there is a stupid rule that he would make more money if he waited. The Blazers had just won 54 games and Aldridge had two of his best career games in the playoffs.

The next season at the trade deadline the Blazers were poised to get the 2nd seed. Everything was going great. The Warriors were the 1st seed but they hadn't won a title at that point so no one thought they'd be unbeatable. The West was wide open. The Wes injury occurred after the trade deadline so there is nothing Olshey could've done at that point and that moment changed everything. After that moment sure it would've been nice to trade him but no longer an option.

That’s a fair assessment to be honest.
 
And you did right????????????????




Really? I'm playing your card man., Nobody knows. But you apparently. So how are you right and im wrong if its ALL speculation...
how about this. You are IMPOSSIBLE to have a mature conversation with. IM speaking basketball and have done nothign bu this morning, but here you are laughing at me and saying its impossible to have a ligical discussion, trying to [paint some of us in a corner. I just wanted to discuss things, but you cant just do that without insulting and trying to claim your opinion is right compared to others speculations.

Fuck this is weak sauce.





I am my own person. Not one of these guys.... this is the very statement that makes you not very well liked around here.....

You would do yourself justice to take heed to some advise that has been given to you over the last month or so. Ease up on the personal shit, or I will go back to shitting all over your posts again.

Its all opinions. you are no more right than anyone else when its an opinion based on hearsay and speculation.

Why you cant just agree to disagree instead of finding ways to insult is baffling....


Anyone want to discuss this in a mature manner and understand that its all opinions and speculation and not have to belittle the other person, well... i'm right here......

Until then, back to real life cause this discussion is a waste of my time when it goes sideways like this so quickly. Im looking for mature debate. Not playground antics.

Uh, I didn't start insulting gronk till he started insulting me. He doesn't like anyones opinion unless it is the same as his. Maybe you should talk to him instead of me. And next time, please keep your opinions of me to yourself rather than try and call me out. You don;t like me? Oh well, I'll be just fine.

As for my "speculation" it was based on the article I linked to and hoopsjock explained it very clearly to you guys but you want to go off on some wild tangent that fits your needs. Stick with some facts at least.
 
Uh, I didn't start insulting gronk till he started insulting me. He doesn't like anyones opinion unless it is the same as his. Maybe you should talk to him instead of me. And next time, please keep your opinions of me to yourself rather than try and call me out. You don;t like me? Oh well, I'll be just fine.

As for my "speculation" it was based on the article I linked to and hoopsjock explained it very clearly to you guys but you want to go off on some wild tangent that fits your needs. Stick with some facts at least.
I respect most opinions... what I don’t respect is people who think Blazers fans deserve less, and don’t think anyone should be held accountable for the complete and utter failure of getting swept in the 1st round of the playoffs. I don’t have all of the answers, but I believe in accountability in life. The Blazers failed because someone didn’t do their job, so someone needs to take the fall to show fans the that they deserve better... I don’t respect some Neil Olshey fanboy making excuses for everything...
 
All GM’s job status goes back to how wel they guessed things would pan out and how well they planned those things. No it’s not fair, but we blame Presti for not foreseeing that Harden would be an MVP candidate someday, and choosing Ibaka over him. We will Blame Presti for the moves he made last summer that didn’t pan out. Just like we bash NO in hindsight for moves that didn’t pan out, and praise him for the ones that did. In this case the situation with Aldridge didn’t pan out, so we can criticize Aldridge, and NO for it. When the Blazers traded for Afflalo a lot of national people thought it was a good trade, in hindsight it was t, GM’s get judged by results that’s the way it is.

You are forgetting the ultimate wild card here and that is Olshey can only do something as drastic as trading Aldridge with the owner's approval. Based on the fact that Olshey is still employed by the Blazers I wouldn't be surprised if he could hold something like that as an excuse for keeping his job because Allen didn't fully let him do it. It's also the reason why the some of the contract situations of 2016 are not fire-able offenses either if the owner was the one who made the final decisions on them.
 
You are forgetting the ultimate wild card here and that is Olshey can only do something as drastic as trading Aldridge with the owner's approval. Based on the fact that Olshey is still employed by the Blazers I wouldn't be surprised if he could hold something like that as an excuse for keeping his job because Allen didn't fully let him do it. It's also the reason why the some of the contract situations of 2016 are not fire-able offenses either if the owner was the one who made the final decisions on them.

That's entirely fair, and I'm not forgetting it. We don't really know how much of that was PA or NO. What NO wanted, or what PA wanted. Like I've said, PA is apparently on board with NO right now, so either NO has done what PA has asked, or PA is allowing NO to do his thing and trusts in NO's plan.
I also think that PA didn't like the PR hit from when they were in the let's change GM's every year mode, so I think he wants continuity, but who knows I'm not privy to their thoughts or conversations.

I regret mentioning LMA in this post, not because I think I was really wrong, but it turned into something else, heh.
 
Uh, I didn't start insulting gronk till he started insulting me. He doesn't like anyones opinion unless it is the same as his. Maybe you should talk to him instead of me. And next time, please keep your opinions of me to yourself rather than try and call me out. You don;t like me? Oh well, I'll be just fine.

As for my "speculation" it was based on the article I linked to and hoopsjock explained it very clearly to you guys but you want to go off on some wild tangent that fits your needs. Stick with some facts at least.

I don't care about Gronk ( no offence) I was talking about you and I. Im the one you laughed and and lumped into some group. There is no need for that man....
 
I don't care about Gronk ( no offence) I was talking about you and I. Im the one you laughed and and lumped into some group. There is no need for that man....

Seriously? That's what got you into a tizzy? saying "lol" is now deemed offensive and because I said it's hard to have mature discussions with "some of you"? Wow.
 
I do, and I probably could. All the schools in Parkrose are now completely surrounded by chain link (pisses me off--back when I was a kid, we spent all summer hooping at the schools...), but that one's outside my district, so maybe it's still available to the public.

You guys are aware of this thing called Google Maps, right? Just looked and there’s a covered court behind the school.
 
Seriously? That's what got you into a tizzy? saying "lol" is now deemed offensive and because I said it's hard to have mature discussions with "some of you"? Wow.

Its your overall demeanor. I wouldn't expect you to understand though...

Its your belittling and talking down. Get it, don't get it. I don't give a shit. I know I am right and you are wrong.
 
I just want someone to show me that they thought trading Aldridge during a season where we had a shot at something special was what they would've done AT THE TIME. Not based on what happened afterwards.
I'll just pipe in to say that there were several posters here who argued strongly that Aldridge should be traded before that potentially special season, because of innuendo and in some cases inside knowledge that he wanted out and was not going to re-sign here.

As for during the season, based on the season the team was having and especially because of (I believe false) statements by Aldridge that he wanted to stay and be the best Blazer blah blah blah, I would concur that the Blazers hands were tied and there would have been a larger fan revolt had the Blazers traded him during that season.

To me it kinda doesn't matter any more. Bad things sometimes happen to good people. Like us ;)

And sometimes, something we thought was a bad thing turns out to be a good thing.

:cheers:
 
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