I'm So SICK & TIRED of Neil Olshey

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Olshey's public comments don't seem to reflect the urgency surrounding two key pieces of information:

1. The two pillars of his roster are in the middle of their respective primes. They may add small flavors to their games but this is it.
2. The roster, as constructed, is not on any sort of path to contention. (some fans of the team may debate this. people outside of the organization won't.

If it's August and it's still 'culture, incremental development, small moves...', it might be time for Kolde et al at Vulcan to start looking at other options at GM.
 
Sounds to me right now that the problem is Allen. Olshey says something about talking to him and that he is OK with how things are going. If Allen says he wants a new coach, we will get one. If he doesn't, we won't.
 
hoopsjock said:
I think the answer to that question is the whole key to the summer and whether or not Olshey will be able to fix this.
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I mean yeah, I don’t see any other way. It’s that and the MLE. Assuming Olshey stays, CJ ain’t going anywhere so it isn’t even worth the energy talking about those scenarios.
 
This team needs tweaks. For sure. But I think Olshey has done some really good things too. It’s frustrating to say for sure. I’m think he and Stotts stay and get another year. If the team plays like shit starting off the season I can see a move then.
 
BonesJones said:
I'm not saying blow it up. I'm saying this logic is absolutely stupid and he's constantly condescending towards the fanbase.

I'm also tired of his act every time we fail, that tries to paint monumental failures (such as this postseason) as minimal and focus on regular season success with no thought put into why we failed in the playoffs in the first place. If he is putting thought into it, he's certainly not acting like it. The "We had a good 82 games regular season, that's more important than a poor 4 game playoff showing" logic is annoying and weak as hell.
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All due respect of course, but right now you and many others aren't thinking logically, you're thinking emotionally. If you were thinking logically then you wouldn't be isolating and judging a line from a GM exit interview. What did you think he was going to say today? As soon as he comes out and says, "Fuck it, we're carpet bombing the entire roster and coaching staff", he loses a ton of leverage with the rest of the league. Not to mention he has a point - Less than 24 hours after an extremely disappointing series isn't the time to overreact or do or say anything emotional that you'll regret later (Jason Quick). This is exactly the time when you should stick to the script, say boring things and get the hell out of there. You have to take some time, step back and look at everything in a measured way. It may be he later decides big changes are needed, which I think he will, and you're getting all riled up over nothing.

I keep seeing the fact we've lost 10 playoff games in a row, not 4. Okay, the first two were in the 2nd round against a 73-9 Golden State team that lost in the finals. The next four were against a 67-15 Golden State team that went 16-1 in the post season on their way to a championship.

The team lost 4 of 5 starters (late in the free agency period I might add) and managed to be a playoff team. The one offseason we had tons of cap-space was the season all the players were getting huge contracts, but it was use-it-or-lose-it and no big free agents sign here. We can call all of these statements excuses, but I don't think anything I wrote in these last two paragraphs isn't a fact.

I think making the post-season 5 times in a row in a tough conference as a small market with bad weather and a sales tax, and without any big free agents ever signing does actually matter. That doesn't mean I'm content with mediocrity. But logic tells me it's not easy to build a championship contender in a small market unless you have the convergence of events that brought Duncan, Pop, David Robinson and the rest together in the first place. Even if a small market gets extremely lucky and guts their team to get Westbrook, Melo and PG together for one year, it can still apparently result in mediocrity. Yet everyone seems to worship that GM.
 
Yeah Blazers are just going to end up wasting Lillard and CJ and then starting over again
 
noknobs said:
All due respect of course, but right now you and many others aren't thinking logically, you're thinking emotionally. If you were thinking logically then you wouldn't be isolating and judging a line from a GM exit interview. What did you think he was going to say today? As soon as he comes out and says, "Fuck it, we're carpet bombing the entire roster and coaching staff", he loses a ton of leverage with the rest of the league. Not to mention he has a point - Less than 24 hours after an extremely disappointing series isn't the time to overreact or do or say anything emotional that you'll regret later (Jason Quick). This is exactly the time when you should stick to the script, say boring things and get the hell out of there. You have to take some time, step back and look at everything in a measured way. It may be he later decides big changes are needed, which I think he will, and you're getting all riled up over nothing.

I keep seeing the fact we've lost 10 playoff games in a row, not 4. Okay, the first two were in the 2nd round against a 73-9 Golden State team that lost in the finals. The next four were against a 67-15 Golden State team that went 16-1 in the post season on their way to a championship.

The team lost 4 of 5 starters (late in the free agency period I might add) and managed to be a playoff team. The one offseason we had tons of cap-space was the season all the players were getting huge contracts, but it was use-it-or-lose-it and no big free agents sign here. We can call all of these statements excuses, but I don't think anything I wrote in these last two paragraphs isn't a fact.

I think making the post-season 5 times in a row in a tough conference as a small market with bad weather and a sales tax, and without any big free agents ever signing does actually matter. That doesn't mean I'm content with mediocrity. But logic tells me it's not easy to build a championship contender in a small market unless you have the convergence of events that brought Duncan, Pop, David Robinson and the rest together in the first place. Even if a small market gets extremely lucky and guts their team to get Westbrook, Melo and PG together for one year, it can still apparently result in mediocrity. Yet everyone seems to worship that GM.
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I'm not judging him from an exit interview. I'm judging him from every interview he's given and what I've heard about him and the way he acts.

Who the hell says that he needs to say that? If all he said was "boring things" it'd be fine. But instead, he's condescending towards the fans, basically acting as if they're wrong for being upset, and sells a BS version of the truth. That's the problem I have. Taking a step back means becoming less removed from the disaster and problems that caused it. Losing 4 of 5 starters is no longer relevant. That was years ago. That doesn't apply to our situation, and is stated simply to try to make the current situation look better than it is. Use it or lose it? Well we used it and lost, as Evan Turner consistently hurts the team. Huge mistake, that has stopped us from acquiring someone like Nikola Mirotic at the deadline, and reduced our MLE. It's hurt us. If the goal is to make the playoffs and lose in the 1st round unless there's some sort of miracle, then yes, you should be happy with Olshey. A small-market team needs an aggressive GM like Danny Ainge. He's made a series of moves that he's won and it's multiplied his assets. Assets are more important to a small market team because they can realistically only add stars through trade or the draft. Presti is overrated. So is Olshey. Olshey needs to go. He had no vision for this roster and it's hurt us. We've had regular season success because we have a borderline top 5 player in Dame. Not because of Stotts, and not because of Olshey.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
Who do we plan on getting with that TPE? Not many teams are willing to part with talented players for cap space.
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Teams will be falling all over themselves to clear cap space to sign guys like Paul George and LeBron James. We're not getting either one of those guys, but with Olshey's propensity for being a third party facilitator in other trades, that TPE could come in handy.

For example, if NYK and HOU had been able to work out a way to make a Carmelo to HOU trade, we could have potentially landed someone like Eric Gordon from HOU by sending them the Crabbe TPE. That would have cleared $13 million off their cap space, which would have then allowed them to send Trevor Ariza to the Knicks for Carmelo. But Morey was dead set on dumping Ryan Anderson's mistake of a contract in order to get Melo. Of course, in hindsight, he was better off keeping Gordon and Ariza than getting Melo, but this is just an example of the potential usefulness of having a $13 million TPE.

The nice thing is the Crabbe TPE doesn't expire until July 25, three and a half weeks after the free agent signing period starts. Plenty of time for teams to work out a complex trade for their coveted superstar. If I was Neil, I'd make it known before the draft that he's willing to use that $13 million TPE, as well as the Vonleh $3.5 million TPE, to help other teams clear cap space to make a blockbuster deal. Let the other GMs know well ahead of time that those TPE's are available for the right player(s).

BNM
 
I like Stotts, I think he’s a good coach. Maybe it’s time for a new voice. But he’ll get hired quickly because he’s respected and the league knows he’s good. Portland fans “know better” and want to buy his ticket out. Olsheys done enough good things to deserve to stay. Of course he’s going to swing and miss sometimes. Unless you have deep, extreme talent, you can’t miss or people freak out. Neil has an eye for talent, drafts relatively well and got guys like Harkless and Nurk for peanuts. No one bats 1.000
 
Scalma said:
I wonder if he has the OK from Paul to use that Crabbe TPE. We’ll be in the tax. Might as well put together the best team possible.
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I certainly hope so. That $13 million TPE is one of the few ways we have of adding significant talent to this roster. We'll be well over the tax threshold in 2018-19 and be a repeat offender two years after that. It's hard enough adding talent when you are over the tax threshold, but damn near impossible when you are a repeat offender.

Paul was willing to let Neil grotesquely overspend in the summer of 2016 in a use it or loose it situation. That TPE is another use it or lose it situation. Now isn't the time to cheap out and let that TPE expire.

BNM
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
Lee is alright, would be decent off the bench. Rather try to find a scorer with that TPE though. We haven’t had a legit 6th man since Mo Williams.
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CJ was Mo's replacement. I've read on this board that CJ would be a terrific 6th man ;)
 
noknobs said:
All due respect of course, but right now you and many others aren't thinking logically, you're thinking emotionally. If you were thinking logically then you wouldn't be isolating and judging a line from a GM exit interview. What did you think he was going to say today? As soon as he comes out and says, "Fuck it, we're carpet bombing the entire roster and coaching staff", he loses a ton of leverage with the rest of the league. Not to mention he has a point - Less than 24 hours after an extremely disappointing series isn't the time to overreact or do or say anything emotional that you'll regret later (Jason Quick). This is exactly the time when you should stick to the script, say boring things and get the hell out of there. You have to take some time, step back and look at everything in a measured way. It may be he later decides big changes are needed, which I think he will, and you're getting all riled up over nothing.

I keep seeing the fact we've lost 10 playoff games in a row, not 4. Okay, the first two were in the 2nd round against a 73-9 Golden State team that lost in the finals. The next four were against a 67-15 Golden State team that went 16-1 in the post season on their way to a championship.

The team lost 4 of 5 starters (late in the free agency period I might add) and managed to be a playoff team. The one offseason we had tons of cap-space was the season all the players were getting huge contracts, but it was use-it-or-lose-it and no big free agents sign here. We can call all of these statements excuses, but I don't think anything I wrote in these last two paragraphs isn't a fact.

I think making the post-season 5 times in a row in a tough conference as a small market with bad weather and a sales tax, and without any big free agents ever signing does actually matter. That doesn't mean I'm content with mediocrity. But logic tells me it's not easy to build a championship contender in a small market unless you have the convergence of events that brought Duncan, Pop, David Robinson and the rest together in the first place. Even if a small market gets extremely lucky and guts their team to get Westbrook, Melo and PG together for one year, it can still apparently result in mediocrity. Yet everyone seems to worship that GM.
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Bravo, great post.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Sounds to me right now that the problem is Allen. Olshey says something about talking to him and that he is OK with how things are going. If Allen says he wants a new coach, we will get one. If he doesn't, we won't.
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I have it on good authority that it was PA who wanted to match the RFA's 2 years ago....and not Neil. Same with Meyer's big contract.

Well PA was right about KD.......
 
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you can't discount all the work we did to get us to the final national stages to fail as hard as we did when it really mattered.

there were some REALLY suspect coaching calls and a REALLY serious lack of anything resembling a plan B when the Dame/CJ isoball fest was stopped dead.

were DEAD LAST in team assists. if you dont think that isoball is our one and only play in the playbook, you're dreaming. combine this with overpaid C grade talent signed like they are B or A grade, and the fact they basically just eat cap and roster space and are largely un-serviceable, just gives us less and less flexibility to adapt.

1. playbook fits on a single page that is 2cm x 2cm in size - reads - GUARDS. ISO ONLY.
2. weak coaching decisions
3. trash large contract players that were pitched as assets which we never play

its series like that where we really miss a LMA type player imo.
 
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i think its time for something (anything) new.
 
calvin natt said:
This team needs tweaks. For sure. But I think Olshey has done some really good things too. It’s frustrating to say for sure. I’m think he and Stotts stay and get another year. If the team plays like shit starting off the season I can see a move then.
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Here's the thing: He has done some good things - but at a net loss.

The goal isn't to make the playoffs, it's to make noise IN the playoffs and ultimately, become a contender.

We've gone to the 2nd round twice and swept the last two seasons. How exactly is that moving in the right direction?
 
I am wondering about how much of the profits a team makes make it back to the owner? I read somewhere on here that the money is shared between every team so that no matter how a team is doing the owners get paid the same? Like the owner of the warriors makes the same amount as the owner of the suns?

The only reason I ask is maybe the fact that we almost always sell out at the moda center during the regular season that Allen is content with the business aspect of where the blazers are at? Not having to pay the luxury tax, sales are up, etc.

Just a thought.
 
BonesJones said:
Swept in two straight season after making the 2nd round. How's that better?
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Now you're being disingenuous. You know exactly why we made the 2nd round 2 years ago. You can't expect that kind of luck every season.

How do you expect anybody to take you serious when you post stuff like that?
 
BonesJones said:


Does this fool not realize that the playoffs are an entirely different type of basketball? Its an entirely different game. So the basketball played in those 82 games doesnt always translate. Its very easy to take away 1-2 guys in the playoffs, especially on a team that doesnt move the ball.

And, by using his logic, I could counter with this: We should base the team off a 69-game sample size, as it's bigger than a 13-game sample size.
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If you expected Neil to do anything in that interview except for try to save his job, that's on you. I listened to the whole thing and want my 26 minutes back.

And why were he and Terry in there together? Some of the shady shit this team does annoys the hell out of me.
 
yuyuza1 said:
And why were he and Terry in there together? Some of the shady shit this team does annoys the hell out of me.
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In the thread about the interviews, I noticed they appeared jointly instead of separately to cover each other's back.

jlprk said:
This day showed why Olshey makes the big bucks. With most teams, end-of-season interviews get no media. It was sheer genius to wear us all down, watching 20 players do meaningless identical interviews, so that we would hardly pay attention to the final Olshey and Stotts interview. Also, notice that they appeared together instead of separately, so that no one could sneak up behind them and slug them one.
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Five Second Violation said:
How is analyzing our entire playoff track record in the Olshey era cherry picking?

It is what it is.
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What about the regular season? Doesn't that count for something when you're trying to denigrate a coach?
 
yuyuza1 said:
That's the reality.

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Again, cherry picking is picking only the facts are a particular slice of reality that fits your point of view.

Oh, and what's Jack Nicolson got to do with this? Weak sauce.
 
Lanny said:
Again, cherry picking is picking only the facts are a particular slice of reality that fits your point of view.
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How exactly is that different from what you're doing in your defense of Terry?
 
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