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it's just so refreshing, you know? haha take that! tables have turned haven't they?
 
At the end of the day Zimmerman has to be arrested and tried for this. We all have our opinions but I think the police have glossed this over.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
At the end of the day Zimmerman has to be arrested and tried for this. We all have our opinions but I think the police have glossed this over.
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What are you going to charge him with, based on his statement, the statements of the EMTs, the 911 call, and the statement of the eyewitness?
 
PapaG said:
What are you going to charge him with, based on his statement, the statements of the EMTs, the 911 call, and the statement of the eyewitness?
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Murder. If he's innocent, he'll be found not guilty. But that's for a jury to decide.
 
chris_in_pdx said:
Murder. If he's innocent, he'll be found not guilty. But that's for a jury to decide.
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What kind of "murder", based on the police statements and eyewitness testimony? Best I could see is manslaughter, but there are varying degrees of murder. I'm just wondering how you would be able to get the known facts to line up with your charge. Or are you saying just charge him, and then try to find the facts? This is the USA, not the USSR. We actually have something called due process here, believe it or not.
 
PapaG said:
What are you going to charge him with, based on his statement, the statements of the EMTs, the 911 call, and the statement of the eyewitness?
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Manslaughter. He shot and killed an unarmed person claiming self defense. He may be found innocent, but there's enough there to charge him.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
Manslaughter. He shot and killed an unarmed person claiming self defense. He may be found innocent, but there's enough there to charge him.
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Again, based on the available facts, what points to manslaughter? An eyewitness corroborates that self-defense claim. It's tragic, but Trayvon Martin should not have gone back and started beating on Zimmerman. Unless other facts come out, that's the only story available at this point.
 
The only real fact is the boy was shot dead. Let PapaG decide, or let the courts? Not a tough answer.
 
if they have a case, they will charge him, pretty simple
 
well now it might be if they don't want to start race riots they will charge him evidence be damned.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
well now it might be if they don't want to start race riots they will charge him evidence be damned.
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This is where it's headed. The pitchfork and torch crowd will be headed up by people screaming that he shouldn't have been following the kid after the police told him not to. Well, actually, that crowd will be following Al and Jesse.

Go Blazers
 
PapaG said:
What are you going to charge him with, based on his statement, the statements of the EMTs, the 911 call, and the statement of the eyewitness?
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that he shot someone?
 
westnob said:
that he shot someone?
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You can shoot someone and its not a crime. It isn't just arrest everyone because a set of circumstances occurred without any real proof of a crime happening.
 
i could sneak into someones house and shoot them in the face, and if nobody saw me, i could just say that they kidnapped and raped me, and that i shot them in a sex fueled blood orgy
 
well, if there isn't any inconsistencies in your story and you can prove you were kidnapped and raped (or at least fake it to a reasonable degree). the thing is, these things are hard to fake all the way through.

Suppose a woman is beat up by a man to the point where she fears for her life and kills him with a gun she had. Then what, should she be arrested for manslaughter and let the "courts figure it out"?
 
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EL PRESIDENTE said:
well, if there isn't any inconsistencies in your story and you can prove you were kidnapped and raped (or at least fake it to a reasonable degree). the thing is, these things are hard to fake all the way through.

Suppose a woman is beat up by a man to the point where she fears for her life and kills him with a gun she had. Then what, should she be arrested for manslaughter and let the "courts figure it out"?
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well thats the thing, zimmerman didnt "prove" anything, they just took his word...so i guess they would take mine too :devil:
 
and no of course not, in fact that happens all the time, just not in the middle of the street
 
3RA1N1AC said:
well thats the thing, zimmerman didnt "prove" anything, they just took his word...so i guess they would take mine too :devil:
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Injuries on the back of the head. Grass stains on his back. Broken nose. What else do you need here, he was clearly being attacked.

yeah, but let's just arrest him, put him on trial without any evidence of any crime occurring. the amurrican way!
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Injuries on the back of the head. Grass stains on his back. Broken nose. What else do you need here, he was clearly being attacked.
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sigh...this is the same garbage yall are chastising others for putting out there...how do you know that zimmerman didnt attack martin in the first place?

he was clearly (i guess) in a fight...that is all
 
3RA1N1AC said:
sigh...this is the same garbage yall are chastising others for putting out there...how do you know that zimmerman didnt attack martin in the first place?

he was clearly (i guess) in a fight...that is all
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Well, unless there is clear and convincing evidence of this, there really isn't a case.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Well, unless there is clear and convincing evidence of this, there really isn't a case.
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didnt say there was, just noticing the hypocrisy. it seems odd to jump all over other peoples hypotheticals when you yourself seem to be keen on throwing out your own under the guise of "fact"
 
Seem to be quite a few pitchfork and torches people in this thread. Reason, logic, and due process seems to not matter in this case. I wonder why that would be?
 
3RA1N1AC said:
didnt say there was, just noticing the hypocrisy. it seems odd to jump all over other peoples hypotheticals when you yourself seem to be keen on throwing out your own under the guise of "fact"
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It's what is known on the record. You're saying what "could have" happened, and there is nothing on the record to indicate that is was happened. You can't, or at least shouldn't, be able to get a conviction on what "could have" happened, with absolutely zero evidence to support it. Of course, this jury pool is so tainted, I don't think Zimmerman has a shot at a fair trial, even if charges are brought. If evidence shows up that his plan all along was to kill Trayvon Martin, it was obviously a pretty shitty and now well-thought out plan. However, if evidence arises, I fully expect him to be charged, as he should be.
 
PapaG said:
Seem to be quite a few pitchfork and torches people in this thread.
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seems to be a few rent a cop types trying to keep the castle safe too, ready the boiling oil! :lol:
 
3RA1N1AC said:
seems to be a few rent a cop types trying to keep the castle safe too, ready the boiling oil! :lol:
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Well, if that means going strictly by the police report, then sure, I guess. You and the rest of the Gestapo should make and arrest and then "find the facts" afterward. ;)
 
oh give it a rest, ive already said that if there is a case they will charge him, whether he is guilty or not, only he himself knows.

and im all for due process, thats why oj was clearly proven innocent :lol:
 
You folks that want to let the courts sort it out....you understand that GZ will have to pay tens of thousands of dollars (for attorney fees and court costs) to (hopefully, for his perspective) be found not guilty, right?

Go Blazers
 
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PapaG said:
Again, based on the available facts, what points to manslaughter? An eyewitness corroborates that self-defense claim. It's tragic, but Trayvon Martin should not have gone back and started beating on Zimmerman. Unless other facts come out, that's the only story available at this point.
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Ratchet down your meds.
 
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