Politics Impeaching Trump Would Let American People Off The Hook

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A big "do over" would be nice. In a way, the country could file for bankruptcy, and start fresh.
 
I would rather see Trump be voted out. That would hurt his ego more. He couldn't claim witch hunt then. As it is, the Dems in the house are taking a risk, I hope it pays off. Doing what is right is important and worth such risks.
 
Chris Craig said:
I would rather see Trump be voted out. That would hurt his ego more. He couldn't claim witch hunt then. As it is, the Dems in the house are taking a risk, I hope it pays off. Doing what is right is important and worth such risks.
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You would think this to be true, but if Trump is voted out, there is no way he let's it impact his ego because he will claim witch hunt on that too. It will be a fake election, fake results, witch hunt, fraud, etc blah blah blah. He will never accept defeat. So, I say fuck him, impeach him, and he stays in office, then he gets voted out, then he goes to jail.
 
calvin natt said:
You would think this to be true, but if Trump is voted out, there is no way he let's it impact his ego because he will claim witch hunt on that too. It will be a fake election, fake results, witch hunt, fraud, etc blah blah blah. He will never accept defeat. So, I say fuck him, impeach him, and he stays in office, then he gets voted out, then he goes to jail.
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I don't expect he'll admit it, but it will hurt his ego. He cry about it in his tweets. Hopefully, he doesn't try to stay in power when he loses. Accepting defeat is not his strong suit.

That seems to be what the order of things will be from here on out. Democrat House will impeach him. Republican Senate will blow him. He will get voted out next year. The New York State prosecutors will be waiting for him.
 
Chris Craig said:
I would rather see Trump be voted out. That would hurt his ego more. He couldn't claim witch hunt then. As it is, the Dems in the house are taking a risk, I hope it pays off. Doing what is right is important and worth such risks.
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In my opinion, he won't be impeached as the senate will save him, but with that being said, it almost needs to be done to reset the standards of what the presidency should be than what this guy has done to bring the standards to an all time low. Hopefully this next election will take care of what the republicans refuse to do and that's holding this guy accountable. What would rely be funny is if the dems took over the senate and maintain the house and trump was voted in as president. It would be funny to hear don the con squeal when the democratic senate majority leader state that he will do anything within his power to keep trump from passing any of his agenda like Moscow Mitch did with Obama.
 
I’m so confused. Of all the shady shit this dude did, why was this the last straw?
 
calvin natt said:
You would think this to be true, but if Trump is voted out, there is no way he let's it impact his ego because he will claim witch hunt on that too. It will be a fake election, fake results, witch hunt, fraud, etc blah blah blah. He will never accept defeat. So, I say fuck him, impeach him, and he stays in office, then he gets voted out, then he goes to jail.
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Chris Craig said:
I don't expect he'll admit it, but it will hurt his ego. He cry about it in his tweets. Hopefully, he doesn't try to stay in power when he loses. Accepting defeat is not his strong suit.

That seems to be what the order of things will be from here on out. Democrat House will impeach him. Republican Senate will blow him. He will get voted out next year. The New York State prosecutors will be waiting for him.
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Wow!
It is painful to see such advanced cases of TDS.
Dang! I see it is not treatable either.
 
calvin natt said:
I think because he and his attorney admitted, then are on audio tape, blatantly committing a crime. You can’t tell a foreign country to do you a favor or you won’t give them US money.
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You also can't tell a foreign power to investigate a political rival and therefore interfere with an election for personal gain.
 
Chris Craig said:
You also can't tell a foreign power to investigate a political rival and therefore interfere with an election for personal gain.
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That's not the way the administration is going to spin it. They'll say that the Justice Department was concerned that Biden may have committed a crime and Trump was asking for help in determining if that was the case. I'm not saying I believe that, but just pointing out that this whole thing isn't going to go straight down along Democrat Party talking points.
 
e_blazer said:
That's not the way the administration is going to spin it. They'll say that the Justice Department was concerned that Biden may have committed a crime and Trump was asking for help in determining if that was the case. I'm not saying I believe that, but just pointing out that this whole thing isn't going to go straight down along Democrat Party talking points.
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Of course they are going to spin it. Doesn't make it any less true
 
e_blazer said:
I don't think that there's any smoking gun in the transcript that says that happened. Scroll down on the link below to read the full transcript:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-...by-white-house-today-2019-09-25-live-updates/
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Is it the full transcript though? It's not even a transcript in reality. Also someone analyzed it and said that the discussion in the 'transcript' would normally take 11 minutes. But the call lasted 30 minutes. Maybe they talked real slow?

barfo
 
barfo said:
Is it the full transcript though? It's not even a transcript in reality. Also someone analyzed it and said that the discussion in the 'transcript' would normally take 11 minutes. But the call lasted 30 minutes. Maybe they talked real slow?

barfo
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No it isn't. It is some pretend dictation of it. Have you read it. Sounds like Trump is talking to himself.
 
Chris Craig said:
Of course they are going to spin it. Doesn't make it any less true
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Both sides are going into full spin cycle. I pretty much don't believe jack anybody from DC says anymore. That said, about the closest I'm seeing the transcript come to really being a gotcha for Trump is that the Ukrainian President says that his government is about ready to order up some Javelin missiles from the US. In the next sentence, Trump is ignoring that and saying, hey, we've got this little favor to ask of you. Given that his administration had put a hold on foreign aid the week before, the Dems will undoubtedly make a case that the subtext is a quid pro quo. OTOH, there's nothing in the transcript that makes that case solid.

My best guess is that this ends up just being more political theater.
 
barfo said:
Is it the full transcript though? It's not even a transcript in reality. Also someone analyzed it and said that the discussion in the 'transcript' would normally take 11 minutes. But the call lasted 30 minutes. Maybe they talked real slow?

barfo
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It probably takes a really long time for translators to figure out what the hell Trump said and put that into Ukrainian. Google does a poor job with disjointed bullshit to Ukrainian.
 
Chris Craig said:
No it isn't. It is some pretend dictation of it. Have you read it. Sounds like Trump is talking to himself.
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"CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation.· (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a
discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty
"Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned t_o listen.and memorialize the conversation in written form
as the conversation takes place. A number of factors can affect 'the accuracy of the record,
including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation.
The word "inaudible" is used to indicate portions of a conversation that the notetaker was unable
to hear."
 
e_blazer said:
"CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation.· (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a
discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty
"Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned t_o listen.and memorialize the conversation in written form
as the conversation takes place. A number of factors can affect 'the accuracy of the record,
including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation.
The word "inaudible" is used to indicate portions of a conversation that the notetaker was unable
to hear."
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The call was recorded. They need to release the recording of the actual call.
 
e_blazer said:
That's not the way the administration is going to spin it. They'll say that the Justice Department was concerned that Biden may have committed a crime and Trump was asking for help in determining if that was the case. I'm not saying I believe that, but just pointing out that this whole thing isn't going to go straight down along Democrat Party talking points.
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Asking for help while dangling a billion in aid and using it as leverage....tell me the dirt on Joe or I'll hold back the money....payola is payola...this is pure mobster mentality...I'd think even the Trumpette conservatives would see this as throwing the Constitution out the window.
 
riverman said:
Asking for help while dangling a billion in aid and using it as leverage....tell me the dirt on Joe or I'll hold back the money....payola is payola...this is pure mobster mentality...I'd think even the Trumpette conservatives would see what this as throwing the Constitution out the window.
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All I'm saying is that there's nothing in the transcript that directly makes the case that that happened.

Using aid for leverage is nothing new and isn't even illegal. That's just politics. Using it for political gain by asking for help in discrediting a political opponent would certainly be illegal. Trump's team is saying that there was never a quid pro quo offered. They'll also say that requesting information on Biden and his son was for the purpose of determining if a crime was committed. The Dems in the House are going to have to find something pretty damning in order to get a Republican Senate to agree to impeach Trump on this. That's why I think it ends up as nothing more than political theater. It'll make really good campaign fodder on both sides.
 
e_blazer said:
Trump's team is saying that there was never a quid pro quo offered.
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yeah....Trump's team is a revolving door of yes men.....when caught they are going with the tried and true #fakewhatever defense....Barr isn't transparent...he censors anything that will shed light on Trump's shady dealings. Being a politician and going with..."they all do it" as an excuse is sort of ridiculous at this point...if you're claiming to drain a swamp you need to stop filling it back up with swamp muck
 
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