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So this fuckin douchebag says basically it could be a great or shitty offseason? Outstanding journalism right there!


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HCP said:
So this fuckin douchebag says basically it could be a great or shitty offseason? Outstanding journalism right there!


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...or he said it could be something in between. Way to take a stand, Dave.
 
maxiep said:
...or he said it could be something in between. Way to take a stand, Dave.
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I'm mean really? This guy actually typed that and then went to sleep thinking he kicked ass.

I bet you tomorrow it's going to be either rainy or sunny.......
 
2. Barring a total meltdown and team restructuring, this summer will carry two significant "lasts" for the team: last time with this much cap space, last lottery pick.
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This is one thing that I never really understood about this offseason for the Blazers. Can they not elect to spend lightly this summer and have similar cap room next summer? Thinking long-term, the 2014 offseason has a better selection of players.

Aldridge, Lillard, Batum, and Matthews are locked in through that offseason. Is there something going on that'll keep them from having the same cap room next summer if they elect to spend lightly this summer?
 
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HCP said:
I'm mean really? This guy actually typed that and then went to sleep thinking he kicked ass.

I bet you tomorrow it's going to be either rainy or sunny.......
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...or it could be something in between.
 
NOVoodoo said:
This is one thing that I never really understood about this offseason for the Blazers. Can they not elect to spend lightly this summer and have similar cap room next summer? Thinking long-term, the 2014 offseason has a better selection of players.

Alridge, Lillard, Batum, and Matthews are locked in through that offseason. Is there something going on that'll keep them from having the same cap room next summer if they elect to spend lightly this summer?
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Were in the same conundrum that happens to a lot of small market teams and thats our "Star" player is entering the end of his contract and he wants to win, if we mulligan the season or go into it with very few upgrades we run the risk of him demanding a trade. I think were going to see a bigger trend of 1 and 2 year contracts for role players with how this new CBA is so if we don't like the market we may be able to give out some 1 year contracts and roll the capspace over while still upgrading the team. I can also see us trading for a player on the last year of a monster contract on a team over the cap looking to shed salary, someone like Pau Gasol, that would allow us to get better while having a large amount of capspace once that contract is off the books.
 
The other aspect I'd been thinking about was similar to this thread, but b/c of maxiep's theory wouldn't necessarily work for us: keeping a large chunk of space (fill with contracts like Pav's--1yr guaranteed) and be the team that lux tax teams run to for tax relief at the deadline (Kurt Thomas for 2 1sts, anyone?). This year's the first of the "incremental" tax, and it counts towards the "repeater" tax rates for next year, so you may be able to see some teams (like MEM this year) desperate to shed contracts. But with half a dozen teams who'll be effectively shut out from the Free Agency game this summer, and have cap space to burn, there'll be competition to be that salary sink.

Additionally, if our GM was a guy like Cho or Presti who was known for being analytic and calculating, this might be an option high on the list. However, I get the vibe that Olshey's more of a guy who'll wine-and-dine the biggest names (which is why I think that, while the chance is still small, there is a chance that Howard and Bynum and Josh Smith actually talk to us--something LeBron won't do in 2014) and that he's much more comfortable wooing a splashy FA than holding on to space and playing the long chess game.
 
Rhal said:
Were in the same conundrum that happens to a lot of small market teams and thats our "Star" player is entering the end of his contract and he wants to win, if we mulligan the season or go into it with very few upgrades we run the risk of him demanding a trade. I think were going to see a bigger trend of 1 and 2 year contracts for role players with how this new CBA is so if we don't like the market we may be able to give out some 1 year contracts and roll the capspace over while still upgrading the team. I can also see us trading for a player on the last year of a monster contract on a team over the cap looking to shed salary, someone like Pau Gasol, that would allow us to get better while having a large amount of capspace once that contract is off the books.
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Is Aldridge really the type to demand a trade though? He's definitely a "star" player, but there's a lot of upside to this franchise, stemming from Lillard's rookie season, as well as all of the young talent on the roster. If the team were in the East this season, they'd easily be a playoff team. With one more season of experience, the #10 pick, and a couple of quality role players added at one (or two) year contract value, like you suggested, the Blazers could very well find themselves in that #6-8 spot next season, looking at a 2014 offseason with cap space. I don't see why Aldridge wouldn't want to be apart of that going forward.

I also think that Aldridge is in a perfect situation for his skillset. If he were really itching to get out of Portland, how many contenders would accommodate his style of play, as well as his salary? He's got a good niche going.

BrianFromWA said:
The other aspect I'd been thinking about was similar to this thread, but b/c of maxiep's theory wouldn't necessarily work for us: keeping a large chunk of space (fill with contracts like Pav's--1yr guaranteed) and be the team that lux tax teams run to for tax relief at the deadline (Kurt Thomas for 2 1sts, anyone?). This year's the first of the "incremental" tax, and it counts towards the "repeater" tax rates for next year, so you may be able to see some teams (like MEM this year) desperate to shed contracts. But with half a dozen teams who'll be effectively shut out from the Free Agency game this summer, and have cap space to burn, there'll be competition to be that salary sink.

Additionally, if our GM was a guy like Cho or Presti who was known for being analytic and calculating, this might be an option high on the list. However, I get the vibe that Olshey's more of a guy who'll wine-and-dine the biggest names (which is why I think that, while the chance is still small, there is a chance that Howard and Bynum and Josh Smith actually talk to us--something LeBron won't do in 2014) and that he's much more comfortable wooing a splashy FA than holding on to space and playing the long chess game.
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Memphis shed their salary not only to avoid the luxury tax but to also get rid of Rudy Gay. The guy was borderline amnesty material, like ISO-Joe in Atlanta. You're right that our new owner is a cheapass, but the move to bring in Prince instead of Gay was more auxiliary than prudent, like most outlets suggest. It just so happened that this cheapass new owner was faced with an easy decision to cut costs and improve the team at the same time. If you look at the team's performance since Gay, we've been way better off, both in the books and in the way we play.

With that said though, I'm sorta getting mixed messages from Portland fans on the willingness of Paul Allen to spend. On some matters, posters will say, "our owner's one the richest blah blah... fuck the luxury tax." Then on other matters, all of a sudden, the luxury tax seems to be an issue. Which is it?

As far as your hopes for Bynum, Howard, and Smith go, aren't those sort of unrealistic expectations trying to court Bynum or Howard, and as far as Smith goes, why would anyone want to be locked into a MAX contract for Josh Smith?
 
Being on new meds, you will have to excuse the MM 2.0 view here, but I'd love it if we could go a whole day without slamming journalists because we either don't agree with them, or because of personal reasons. They are reporting Blazer news, and as silly or in depth as it may be, I appreciate all their views
 
HCP said:
So this fuckin douchebag says basically it could be a great or shitty offseason? Outstanding journalism right there!


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Did you read the article or just that paragraph? The point of this article wasn't to state his opinion-- it was to inform you about the number of decisions that Olshey can/should consider. No need to call him what you did at all when it's clear you didn't understand the point of this piece.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Being on new meds, you will have to excuse the MM 2.0 view here, but I'd love it if we could go a whole day without slamming journalists because we either don't agree with them, or because of personal reasons. They are reporting Blazer news, and as silly or in depth as it may be, I appreciate all their views
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1. He's not a journalist.
2. He's not reporting "news".

Other than that, your comments apply.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Being on new meds, you will have to excuse the MM 2.0 view here, but I'd love it if we could go a whole day without slamming journalists because we either don't agree with them, or because of personal reasons. They are reporting Blazer news, and as silly or in depth as it may be, I appreciate all their views
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yeah, MM, I am diggin the new MM 2.2, empty glass is half full....(walks away shaking head)
 
magnifier661 said:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cbz59qu

Portland trades: Leonard, Barton and Batum.
Portland receives: Granger and Monroe

Detroit trades: Monroe
Detroit receives: Leonard

Pacers trades: Granger
Pacers receive: Batum and Barton.
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Nice Mags.

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magnifier661 said:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cbz59qu

Portland trades: Leonard, Barton and Batum.
Portland receives: Granger and Monroe

Detroit trades: Monroe
Detroit receives: Leonard

Pacers trades: Granger
Pacers receive: Batum and Barton.
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Pacers make out like gangbusters. Granger may never be the same player again. They are dying to get rid of him and his salary.

Conversely DET is screwed hardcore. It isn't like Monroe is old or something and they can't build around him. Are you going with the theory that he can't play well with Drummond? If I am to believe that then I am also to believe that they could get a lot more for him in a trade with another team.
 
This article alludes to the lack of bench this year. I think what we forget is the lack of bench was intentional. Neil could have added a better bench but he wanted cap space this summer. And most decent players want more than a 1 year contract. I would be surprised if our starters played as many minutes as last year.

The bench worries me, but not as much as getting a center. We need size. We need D. JJ's offense can be replaced by more shot attempts by Batum. The guy does not have to be a big shot blocker. Watching SA yesterday or even OKC when Collison was the center, confirms that teams can play great D without a shot blocker. But we need a physical presence.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Pacers make out like gangbusters. Granger may never be the same player again. They are dying to get rid of him and his salary.

Conversely DET is screwed hardcore. It isn't like Monroe is old or something and they can't build around him. Are you going with the theory that he can't play well with Drummond? If I am to believe that then I am also to believe that they could get a lot more for him in a trade with another team.
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Yeah I was going on that note. I was going to use Batum and Freeland for Stucky and Monroe; but it seems Stucky would be redundant for our needs. Unless we just forget about Maynor and go with Stucky as the back up guard.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Pacers make out like gangbusters. Granger may never be the same player again. They are dying to get rid of him and his salary.

Conversely DET is screwed hardcore. It isn't like Monroe is old or something and they can't build around him. Are you going with the theory that he can't play well with Drummond? If I am to believe that then I am also to believe that they could get a lot more for him in a trade with another team.
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This is all true. What about Leonard batum and #10 for Drummond and filler? Woud Detroit do that? I wouldn't if I were them
 
Mediocre Man said:
This is all true. What about Leonard batum and #10 for Drummond and filler? Woud Detroit do that? I wouldn't if I were them
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I think they would much rather get rid of Monroe than Drummond.

EDIT: How would this be possible? Is Detroit that far under cap to absorb that amount? I mean if this is the case and they do accept. I would be very willing to just give Batum, Freeland and Pick for Monroe.

That would give us an additional 9 million in cap savings.
 
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magnifier661 said:
I think they would much rather get rid of Monroe than Drummond.

EDIT: How would this be possible? Is Detroit that far under cap to absorb that amount? I mean if this is the case and they do accept. I would be very willing to just give Batum, Freeland and Pick for Monroe.

That would give us an additional 9 million in cap savings.
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I'm not even looking at salary. if there is a will, there is a way.

I agree on Monroe over Drummond. They love Drummond. But Leonard and Drummond make less sense than Monroe, Drummond
 
Mediocre Man said:
I'm not even looking at salary. if there is a will, there is a way.

I agree on Monroe over Drummond. They love Drummond. But Leonard and Drummond make less sense than Monroe, Drummond
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That's why I said "freeland", Batum and Pick for Monroe
 
I was under the impression that Monroe was NOT considered a good defender. I would rather use our pick on an average center than send Batum for an average defender. And of course they are not giving up on Drummond.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I was under the impression that Monroe was NOT considered a good defender. I would rather use our pick on an average center than send Batum for an average defender. And of course they are not giving up on Drummond.
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He is not a horrible defender, but he is not a rim protector. You are probably more correct than not though
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I was under the impression that Monroe was NOT considered a good defender. I would rather use our pick on an average center than send Batum for an average defender. And of course they are not giving up on Drummond.
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He isn't that good, but he is still young. He's a better defender than Leonard though and possibly having the upside to being a much better defender.

The key to this scenario is eliminating Batum and Freeland's contract for Olshey to offer max and 6 mil to another player. Basically we could do this trade, sign JJ Redick and resign Hickson and Maynor. We may be able to get away with not giving up our pick in this scenario as well. Or possibly using the pick, cap space for a player like Igs.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I was under the impression that Monroe was NOT considered a good defender. I would rather use our pick on an average center than send Batum for an average defender. And of course they are not giving up on Drummond.
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He is pretty much the same defender as Big Al. Not very good but can't really be moved around if they don't want to be and can block a shot now and then.

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Rhal said:
He is pretty much the same defender as Big Al. Not very good but can't really be moved around if they don't want to be and can block a shot now and then.

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Big Al is a really good comparison for Monroe. I think that's the minimum upside for Monroe, IMO.
 
magnifier661 said:
Big Al is a really good comparison for Monroe. I think that's the minimum upside for Monroe, IMO.
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That's probably Monroes celling at least offensively. Big Al is very good offensively and one of the better rebounders in the NBA.

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