In a speech today, Obama said....

[TheBeef]

Obama said McCain would be likely to appoint Supreme Court nominees who would allow states to outlaw abortion. "You're just one justice away from that," he said, alluding to the court's narrow ideological divisions.


If i thought that was true, Id actually vote for McCain

 

[Colonel Ronan]

The politics nowadays, especially in the States, are way to religiously fueled.

 

[TheBeef]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MainEvent @ Jun 14 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The politics nowadays, especially in the States, are way to religiously fueled.</div>


I dont really consider abortion to be a religious issue, its more of a MURDER issue in my opinion....

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

If the baby came about through rape, or teen sex, the women should have the choice to abort within three months of conception.

 

[Real]

He's absolutely correct, you're one justice away.

Justice Stevens is 88 years old.

 

[TheBeef]

I know rape is a difficult thing and Im all for the harshest penalties imaginable for rapists, but the baby shouldnt become the 2nd victim....ask yourself this, if you found out today that you were the product of a rape, would you want to vollunteer to kill yourself to take the burden off your mother? the baby should get his shot to live in my opinion....

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

It would depend on the status of my mother. If she was some hick who's life had been ruined because she had no support from the father, and lost her childhood, and I could go back in time, I'd consider.

Killing the child when she's grown and interacted with her is completely different than killing a fetus. It would hurt her emotionally more than it would help.

 

[TheBeef]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_Yinka_Dare_Fan @ Jun 14 2008, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It would depend on the status of my mother. If she was some hick who's life had been ruined because she had no support from the father, and lost her childhood, and I could go back in time, I'd consider.

Killing the child when she's grown and interacted with her is completely different than killing a fetus. It would hurt her emotionally more than it would help.</div>

i respect the opinion, and I see where you are coming from, I just dont agree with it....I never see a reason a baby should destroyed, regardless of how hard it may be to raise it....

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

Even if it's life would be completely terrible, and possibly resented by the mother?

Is it worth ruining 2 lives, to save one?

 

[Colonel Ronan]

That's true. I believe that abortion should be restricted to certain scenarios, such as, if a mother cannot support her child, the child is born into a bad scene. There is no point in arguing though, pro-life and pro-choice are a never ending battle in politics.

I will always be pro-choice.

 

[TheBeef]

People overcome that scenario all the time....I think they should have a chance to rise above adveristy....but, I also believe in doing what I think its right even if it makes life hard, so i would be in the minority on many issues

 

[huevonkiller]

I am Pro-Choice as well.

 

[44Thrilla]

Abortion is an issue that I can't take a side on. I lean towards pro-choice, but either way it doesn't bother me much. McCain has actually flip-flopped a few times on the repeal of Roe v. Wade, so I don't think this is a clear cut election issue.

 

[Colonel Ronan]

All I'm hoping is that Obama will lax the marijuana laws...

 

[TheBeef]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MainEvent @ Jun 14 2008, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>All I'm hoping is that Obama will lax the marijuana laws...

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the President cant make or repeal current laws....his only way of doing that would be to campain for congress to do it or appoint radical judges that would somehow find that anti-pot legislation is unconstituional.....

 

[Colonel Ronan]

It is, my proof.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"I think people need to be educated to the fact that marijuana is not a drug. Marijuana is an herb and a flower. God put it here. If He put it here and He wants it to grow, what gives the government the right to say that God is wrong?"

- Willie Nelson</div>

Even though I am Buddhist, it's appealing.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_Yinka_Dare_Fan @ Jun 14 2008, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It would depend on the status of my mother. If she was some hick who's life had been ruined because she had no support from the father, and lost her childhood, and I could go back in time, I'd consider.</div>
Keep in mind, these are pretty much the only scenarios that I can think of (off the top of my head) where I would think abortion should be legal.
It should be illegal for a married women with a comfortable lifestyle to abort just because she's "not ready to slow down yet".


In a neighboring town, Manville, I think, there's a clinic where you can get an abortion, without anyone knowing (parents/guardians including). Now that is screwed up.

 

[Lavalamp]

The real question is when should the line be made on how late a person can have an abortion:
A) up to 1 month before leaving the womb?
B) up to 1 week before leaving the womb?
C) up to the baby leaving the womb?
D) up to 1 week after leaving the womb?
E) up to 1 month after leaving the womb?

 

[TheBeef]

Id cut off the womans right to choose 1 second before she opens her legs....

 

[44Thrilla]

But what if its a rapist that opens her legs for her? That's the major thing for me when I consider both sides of abortion.

 

[TheBeef]

I dont believe in abortion even after a rape, but I can understand the point of those that do....My heart goes out to any woman dealing with that kind of trauma....I cant understand why people are all for "abortion on demand" though

 

[o.iatlhawksfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_Yinka_Dare_Fan @ Jun 14 2008, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It would depend on the status of my mother. If she was some hick who's life had been ruined because she had no support from the father, and lost her childhood, and I could go back in time, I'd consider.

Killing the child when she's grown and interacted with her is completely different than killing a fetus. It would hurt her emotionally more than it would help.</div>
Wouldn't she be able to get some money suppourt, through the rape issue.

 

[Денг Гордон]

I agree with abortion being murder.

Obama talked about this in the Constitution section of his book, with filibusters and the suicide option; and how the Republicans don't want to compromise on abortion so they can keep using it as a campaign issue.

I think rape victims should be allowed to use emergency contraception pills, but that's it. That gives them a 2-3 day period to eliminate the baby.

 

[44Thrilla]

I think you really learn about your true position on abortion when the last thing on Earth you want is to have a kid and your girlfriend is like 2 weeks late for her period...

That happened to me a few years back and I had to reconsider some of my thoughts on abortion.

 

[o.iatlhawksfan]

Abortion is mess up. That baby can be the next Michael Jordan for all we know.

 

[Real]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne @ Jun 14 2008, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree with abortion being murder.

Obama talked about this in the Constitution section of his book, with filibusters and the suicide option; and how the Republicans don't want to compromise on abortion so they can keep using it as a campaign issue.

I think rape victims should be allowed to use emergency contraception pills, but that's it. That gives them a 2-3 day period to eliminate the baby.</div>

I have to disagree with that on the basis that's a pretty broad statement.

Of course, maybe I'm just saying that because that just about every prominent Republican in my state is pro-choice, but I digress.

 

[GMJ]

I think it's pretty grim that anyone would think that they can make these decisions for someone else; I'm pro-choice all the way. Plus there are reasons why these parents don't want kids (under numerous categories). Someone who is so concerned about the well being of these kids could acknowledge the poor conditions that they would be in an unwanted family (plus the strain on the parents). But more importantly we're talking about an undeveloped fetus here.

 

[Ice]

I've read some of the most ignorant comments in this thread.

You guys would have no idea what its like to not only be raped, but be in an abusive relationship. Oh wait, I've been there!

Imagine getting pregnant by a guy that treats you terribly and you'd have to see him for the rest of your live because of that child.

Its a womans body & her choice. You guys would have no idea what its like, so stop the bullshit on how abortion is murder.

Also something else to consider - Do you know how many people we'd have in todays society if no one were to have abortions? Every single city would be like China and we'd have higher crime rates, gas prices, etc. Not to mention the food shortages and greenhouse gas emissions b/c of it.

So I realize everyone is entitled to their own opinion, however you guys need to look at the bigger picture and realize that abortion will never go away. They can ban it all they want, but people are still going to do it - and if they don't have the access they will get desperate and use coat hangers.

I do however agree in that fact that if an abortion is going to be done, it needs to be taken care of early. (They begin to perform around 8 weeks) Also, abortions should in no way be a form of birth control. . if you were dumb enough to get knocked up the first time and can't take care of the child - get on birth control.

 

[huevonkiller]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ Jun 14 2008, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Abortion is mess up. That baby can be the next Michael Jordan for all we know.</div>

This discussion is over people, we've got the winner right here.

 

[TheBeef]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jun 14 2008, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think it's pretty grim that anyone would think that they can make these decisions for someone else</div>

Abortion takes away a babies right to live....thats worse in my opinion than infringing on a womans right to murder....did you guys know that a womans right to an abortion is based on the 4th amendment to the Constitution....want to see it?

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

From that, the Supreme Court ruled that a woman has rights to privacy, and what she does in privacy, including murdering a baby, is fine....there hasnt been a dumber ruling than that from the high court since they ruled to uphold laws that black people were less than a full person....