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dviss1 said:
It's hard to debate single-payer with someone who doesn't seem to know what it is...
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Instead of taking pot-shots, why don't you prove what you've been asked above, hell prove you even know what a single payer system is.
 
blue32 said:
Instead of taking pot-shots, why don't you prove what you've been asked above, hell prove you even know what a single payer system is.
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Medicare is single payer bro... Why is that so hard to understand?
 
dviss1 said:
It's hard to debate single-payer with someone who doesn't seem to know what it is...
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Yes, you don't know what it is.

Medicare? Is "broke" or "bankrupt" or "insolvent" a good word?

I hope you never experience it.

All single payer does is cost more and more and it means higher and higher taxes that could go to something worthwhile.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/20...lude-obamacares-double-counting/#3ffe8c68548b

Trustees: Medicare Will Go Broke in 2016, If You Exclude Obamacare's Double-Counting

The Trustees of the Medicare program have released their annual report on the solvency of the program. They calculate that the program is “expected to remain solvent until 2024, the same as last year’s estimate.” But what that headline obfuscates is that Obamacare’s tax increases and spending cuts are counted towards the program’s alleged “deficit-neutrality,” Medicare is to go bankrupt in 2016. And if you listen to Medicare’s own actuary, Richard Foster, the program’s bankruptcy could come even sooner than that.
 
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dviss1 said:
Medicare is single payer bro... Why is that so hard to understand?
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That's not what was asked of you. Now you're just doing your typical diversion tactic.

Go re-read the posts from Denny.
 
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A country with single payer.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/726680_2

Canada, Cuba, and North Korea are the only countries that have a true single-payer system. In these countries, an individual cannot buy health care services privately if that same service is covered and paid for by the government. Most single-payer systems find it necessary to incorporate a "buyout" provision. Great Britain, which started off as a single-payer system, found it could not serve everybody so the government allowed an outlet for people to buy private insurance or private care. This is a "buyout." But that is not a true single-payer system as considered by advocates.
 

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Denny Crane said:
Great Britain, which started off as a single-payer system, found it could not serve everybody so the government allowed an outlet for people to buy private insurance or private care. This is a "buyout." But that is not a true single-payer system as considered by advocates.
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Yes, "buyout" is a good word for the corruption. British fatcats made campaign contributions and suddenly got even richer.
 
jlprk said:
Yes, "buyout" is a good word for the corruption. British fatcats made campaign contributions and suddenly got even richer.
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Fatcats is a good name for Bernies new friends.
 
Denny Crane said:
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A country with single payer.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/726680_2

Canada, Cuba, and North Korea are the only countries that have a true single-payer system. In these countries, an individual cannot buy health care services privately if that same service is covered and paid for by the government. Most single-payer systems find it necessary to incorporate a "buyout" provision. Great Britain, which started off as a single-payer system, found it could not serve everybody so the government allowed an outlet for people to buy private insurance or private care. This is a "buyout." But that is not a true single-payer system as considered by advocates.
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No one has advocated that. In countries like Finland, Norway, Sweden etc private insurance exists right alongside single payer. The funny thing is all those countries that are around that country that doesn't have any lights on have single-payer as well...
 
dviss1 said:
No one has advocated that. In countries like Finland, Norway, Sweden etc private insurance exists right alongside single payer. The funny thing is all those countries that are around that country that doesn't have any lights on have single-payer as well...
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So there isn't single payer if there's private insurance paying, too.

That would be multiple payer.

It sure looks like single payer is tried, fails, and then the market is brought in to save the day before the nation is bankrupted.
 
Kasich has denied any interest in the VP spot. He'd bring exactly what trump needs in his administration: a guy with ties to congress who got significant legislation passed and signed.

I'd trust Kasich as president, chief of staff, budget director, Secretary of Treasury, etc.

I'm not sure he'd be appreciated enough to bring votes. He might help with Ohio, though.
 
I just can't see it being one of the 16 that ran against Trump. I think he'll be more imaginative than that.

Wow, I said something semi-nice about Trump.

I feel dirty.

barfo
 
I'm hoping for America's Crazy Sweetheart, Sarah Palin.
 
I don't want Trump to win. Hell no.

I don't want either Democrat to win. Hell no.

I do have other options that I do want to win.

The thing about Trump is, polls be damned, prognosticators be damned. He wasn't supposed to get more than 35% of the primary vote, but he did. Nate Silver gave him a 2% chance to be the nominee. But he is the nominee. Polls say Hiliar is ahead, but her lead is down from 10+ to 6+, and Trump hasn't really begun to campaign against her in earnest. I'm AFRAID he's going to win. All I can hope for if he does is that congress won't pass anything unreasonable.
 
I think he's going to go with someone he knows well, someone he's worked closely with, someone who has experience running a big organization like the government.

He's going to pick a mobster.

My nomination, based on having the best nickname of any high ranking member in the five families who is not in jail, is Venero "Benny Eggs" Mangano.

barfo
 
Denny Crane said:
The thing about Trump is, polls be damned, prognosticators be damned.
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Trump led the polls pretty much all along for the nomination. Prognosticators thought he couldn't win despite the polls.
Now the polls say he's going to lose, and you think he's going to win despite the polls. You might be the prognosticator who is damned this time.

I'm AFRAID he's going to win.
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There's a simple way to prevent that. Vote for Clinton. You know you want to.

barfo
 
Denny Crane said:
Kasich has denied any interest in the VP spot. He'd bring exactly what trump needs in his administration: a guy with ties to congress who got significant legislation passed and signed.

I'd trust Kasich as president, chief of staff, budget director, Secretary of Treasury, etc.

I'm not sure he'd be appreciated enough to bring votes. He might help with Ohio, though.
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Kasich would help him majorly in the North East. I could see a Trump/Kasich ticket winning a couple states, like New Hampshire and Pennsylvania.
 
barfo said:
Trump led the polls pretty much all along for the nomination. Prognosticators thought he couldn't win despite the polls.
Now the polls say he's going to lose, and you think he's going to win despite the polls. You might be the prognosticator who is damned this time.



There's a simple way to prevent that. Vote for Clinton. You know you want to.

barfo
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#NeverLiar

It was presumed that Trump had a ceiling of 30-35% in the polls (be damned).
 
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http://www.businessinsider.com/nate-silver-trump-wrong-2016-5

NATE SILVER: 'We basically got the Republican race wrong'

To me, the most surprising part of Trump's nomination — which is to say, the part I think I got wrongest — is that Trump won the nomination despite having all types of deviations from conservative orthodoxy. He seemed wobbly on all parts of Reagan's three-legged stool: economic policy (he largely opposes free trade and once advocated for a wealth tax and single-payer health care), social policy (consider his constant flip-flopping over abortion), and foreign policy (he openly mocked the Bush administration's handling of the Iraq War, which is still fairly popular among Republicans).

:MARIS61:
 
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-republican-voters-decided-on-trump/

Donald Trump is going to win the Republican nomination.1

If you’d told me a year ago that Trump would be the nominee, I’d have thought you were nuts. Don’t just take my word for it: Read what I wrote about Trump in July or August or even in November. Those pieces variously treated Trump’s nomination as being somewhere between improbable and extremely unlikely. You can also read pieces from October, December orJanuary that were less skeptical of Trump’s chances and show how our opinion of him evolved over time. Still, other than being early skeptics of Jeb Bush, we basically got the Republican race wrong.

:MARIS61:
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Full disclosure: I disagree with this position. But may I ask a clarifying question? In your view, how much or what aspects of "health care" should be "a common", and what, if any, should be privatized? Brand-name pharmaceuticals? Cancer treatments? Organ transplants? Long-term assisted-living? Elective procedures?
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Thre would be a huge market for insurance that covers elective procedures. Everything else is a common IMHO.

barfo said:
Trump led the polls pretty much all along for the nomination. Prognosticators thought he couldn't win despite the polls.
Now the polls say he's going to lose, and you think he's going to win despite the polls. You might be the prognosticator who is damned this time.



There's a simple way to prevent that. Vote for Clinton. You know you want to.

barfo
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No vote Bernie. Bernie Wan Kenobi, he's our only hope!
 
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