Insightful Cho Article

[ABM]

He's come a long way..........

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/articles/2010/08/29/portland_gm_cho_is_truly_a_trail_blazer/

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Guard Rudy Fernandez recently asked for a trade, but Cho maintains he will not make a deal just to appease the Spanish star. “If there’s a trade that we feel like will improve the team, then we won’t hesitate to make a trade,’’ he said. “But I want to improve the team, if [the deal] makes sense.

No offense, Cho, but if Rudy leaves for Spain and you passed on what might have been a 14-16 first round draft pick, how did that "help the team"?

 

[Eastoff]

FYI the article stops at the second page.

 

[Ed O]

No offense, Cho, but if Rudy leaves for Spain and you passed on what might have been a 14-16 first round draft pick, how did that "help the team"?

Rudy can leave for Spain without the Blazers' permission, but he cannot play professionally there without it. The team doesn't have to release him nor accept a buyout. The team has all the leverage in the world if they have the will to exercise it.

Ed O.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Guard Rudy Fernandez recently asked for a trade, but Cho maintains he will not make a deal just to appease the Spanish star. “If there’s a trade that we feel like will improve the team, then we won’t hesitate to make a trade,’’ he said. “But I want to improve the team, if [the deal] makes sense.

No offense, Cho, but if Rudy leaves for Spain and you passed on what might have been a 14-16 first round draft pick, how did that "help the team"?

So who are you referring to in the 14-16 range. I don't think Cho would pass on that.

 

[MARIS61]

Pretty funny that they fled Burma's Socialism only to hypocritically rely on "American Socialist Programs" like welfare, food stamps, and tax-free church handouts to get ahead.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Pretty funny that they fled Burma's Socialism only to hypocritically rely on "American Socialist Programs" like welfare, food stamps, and tax-free church handouts to get ahead.

 

[RoyToy]

Guard Rudy Fernandez recently asked for a trade, but Cho maintains he will not make a deal just to appease the Spanish star. “If there’s a trade that we feel like will improve the team, then we won’t hesitate to make a trade,’’ he said. “But I want to improve the team, if [the deal] makes sense.

No offense, Cho, but if Rudy leaves for Spain and you passed on what might have been a 14-16 first round draft pick, how did that "help the team"?

Hey everyone! We're playing hardball with our piece of trash and you can't have him!!

This whole situation is stupid. Step up, Cho.

 

[The Professional Fan]

Cho is handling the Rudy situation perfectly, IMO. He has all the time and all the leverage he needs. Just relax.

 

[RoyToy]

Cho is handling the Rudy situation perfectly, IMO. He has all the time and all the leverage he needs. Just relax.

By leverage and having all the time he needs do you just mean he's being borderline unreasonable in trade negotiations?

 

[Eastoff]

By leverage and having all the time he needs do you just mean he's being borderline unreasonable in trade negotiations?

We don't need Rudy. If you bend to his demands it shows weakness. Maybe you could get a first round pick, but that's about all anyone is possibly offering, and even then it's going to be like a 22 or 24.

 

[The Professional Fan]

By leverage and having all the time he needs do you just mean he's being borderline unreasonable in trade negotiations?

No. I mean he has all the leverage and time in the world. Pretty clear. Rudy is a bitch that shouldn't be rewarded for his piss poor attitude. Let him dangle on the hook for a while. Fuck that guy. I hope we never trade him. I want him to "hold out" and not play for 2 years. That's what he deserves.

 

[Nikolokolus]

By leverage and having all the time he needs do you just mean he's being borderline unreasonable in trade negotiations?

You sound like the fan of another team that really wants Rudy.

 

[oldmangrouch]

No. I mean he has all the leverage and time in the world. Pretty clear. Rudy is a bitch that shouldn't be rewarded for his piss poor attitude. Let him dangle on the hook for a while. Fuck that guy. I hope we never trade him. I want him to "hold out" and not play for 2 years. That's what he deserves.

F' what Rudy wants or deserves. If you can get a mid 1st rounder for him, that is in the team's best interest. This is a situation where enlightened self interest trumps standing on principle.

 

[RoyToy]

F' what Rudy wants or deserves. If you can get a mid 1st rounder for him, that is in the team's best interest. This is a situation where enlightened self interest trumps standing on principle.

Well said.

You sounds like the fan of another team that really wants Rudy.

Sorry for thinking reasonably, unlike Cho and the rest of the crew

 

[The Sebastian Express]

I remember when we had a mid-first round offer for him, a lottery pick even, but Pritchard turned it down and by the time Cho got here Rudy was being even worse than before D:. Damn that Cho for turning down those mid-round picks near the draft.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

By leverage and having all the time he needs do you just mean he's being borderline unreasonable in trade negotiations?

Aren't you supposed to be borderline unreasonable in negotiations? Isn't that how you get the best deal possible?

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Rudy can leave for Spain without the Blazers' permission, but he cannot play professionally there without it. The team doesn't have to release him nor accept a buyout. The team has all the leverage in the world if they have the will to exercise it.

Ed O.

I come back to my original question...

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

No. I mean he has all the leverage and time in the world. Pretty clear. Rudy is a bitch that shouldn't be rewarded for his piss poor attitude. Let him dangle on the hook for a while. Fuck that guy. I hope we never trade him. I want him to "hold out" and not play for 2 years. That's what he deserves.

Rather than seeking to punish a player that wants a fresh start somewhere else, why not accommodate him and get what we can in a trade? Just because a player doesn't fit Nate's system we need to punish him? Seems a bit harsh to me.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Rather than seeking to punish a player that wants a fresh start somewhere else, why not accommodate him and get what we can in a trade? Just because a player doesn't fit Nate's system we need to punish him? Seems a bit harsh to me.

See and here I thought he was being punished for acting unprofessionally and refusing to shut his fucking pie-hole and trying to leverage his way out.

 

[RoyToy]

Aren't you supposed to be borderline unreasonable in negotiations? Isn't that how you get the best deal possible?

Except all teams have to do is wait for the situation to get worse until it gets to the point where the Blazers will be begging teams to take Rudy?

Everyone seems to want to talk about all the leverage the Blazers have with Rudy here. Too bad it doesn't exist with the other teams in the league. No one is calling the Blazers at all hours of the day trying to give up good value for a player that says he'd rather sit out the next two years than play for the Blazers. Hopefully soon the Blazers stop trying to play the bully card and do the smart thing and take a 1st round pick for him since it's not likely Rudy's value will go up.

Cho simply hasn't impressed me one bit so far.

 

[mgb]

Cho's doing the reasonable thing waiting until he gets something decent for Rudy. Who knows what he's been offered so far. Most likely what will happen is he'll be a throw in on another trade. The worse thing we could do is let him go for nothing or next to nothing. That just tells other players to get what they want is do the same type of thing as Rudy.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

See and here I thought he was being punished for acting unprofessionally and refusing to shut his fucking pie-hole and trying to leverage his way out.

I think you're missing the big picture.

Rudy's agent quietly asked for a trade. He knew Rudy's trade value wasn't much and Rudy expressed displeasure with the role he had. Fair enough. The team said they would accommodate Rudy abd then proceeded to turn down 1st round pics from 2 teams (acknowledged) and one other speculated. Two player trades were also turned down (acknowledged, but uncertain who the players were). That led to a lot of frustration with Rudy and his agent so they decided to make a stink about it. Maybe it is unprofessional, but what else can they do? Cho seems incapable of making a deal.

 

[Ed O]

Except all teams have to do is wait for the situation to get worse until it gets to the point where the Blazers will be begging teams to take Rudy?

Why would they do that?

Everyone seems to want to talk about all the leverage the Blazers have with Rudy here. Too bad it doesn't exist with the other teams in the league. No one is calling the Blazers at all hours of the day trying to give up good value for a player that says he'd rather sit out the next two years than play for the Blazers. Hopefully soon the Blazers stop trying to play the bully card and do the smart thing and take a 1st round pick for him since it's not likely Rudy's value will go up.

I don't believe a player gets out of his contract by sitting out. A team loses their rights to a drafted player after a year, but a contract runs for a certain number of seasons, not a certain number of calendar years, and if a player is not participating with the team then it seems that the contract should be extended.

That's how the NFL works, at least, and I'd guess that's how NBA contracts work, too.

Ed O.

 

[barfo]

I don't believe a player gets out of his contract by sitting out. A team loses their rights to a drafted player after a year, but a contract runs for a certain number of seasons, not a certain number of calendar years, and if a player is not participating with the team then it seems that the contract should be extended.

That's how the NFL works, at least, and I'd guess that's how NBA contracts work, too.

Ed O.

Interesting thought. That hadn't ever occurred to me, so I went looking for evidence. Didn't find it, but then I'm no lawyer and I didn't look really really hard.

What I did find is that the Uniform Player Contract states the term of the contract in years, not in seasons, and there doesn't seem to be any provision for extending the term.

1. TERM.
The Team hereby employs the Player as a skilled basketball player for a term of ____ year(s) from the 1st day of September ____.

barfo

 

[Nikolokolus]

I think you're missing the big picture.

Rudy's agent quietly asked for a trade. He knew Rudy's trade value wasn't much and Rudy expressed displeasure with the role he had. Fair enough. The team said they would accommodate Rudy abd then proceeded to turn down 1st round pics from 2 teams (acknowledged) and one other speculated. Two player trades were also turned down (acknowledged, but uncertain who the players were). That led to a lot of frustration with Rudy and his agent so they decided to make a stink about it. Maybe it is unprofessional, but what else can they do? Cho seems incapable of making a deal.

Rudy's agent quietly asked for a trade back in December, the yapping started sometime in May. By the time Cho was brought on board Rudy and his agent were already poised to offer up ultimatums and a threatened holdout (the "drama" that Jason Quick alluded to in early July). After about 3 weeks with no trade Rudy and his agent went public making him almost impossible to move because of the public nature of his demands and the suggestion that he'd rather be back in Europe anyway. You say we turned down first round picks, given the fact that they are probably in the mid-twenties at best I can understand why Cho declined; Paul Allen shakes out his seat cushions to buy picks like that every year.

Anyway, under those conditions just what kind of deal is Cho supposedly incapable of making? I'm not saying he's adept at making trades, but I'd hardly call this the best test of his abilities at roster building; the team is in full on fire-fighter mode trying to preserve their leverage with a petulant player who is attempting to exert leverage that he doesn't possess. I can appreciate Rudy wanting to be moved, but as a fan of this team first and foremost I'm perfectly happy to see them trumping Rudy's "nuclear" option with their own.

My best guess is that Rudy's stance will soften sometime closer to training camp and he'll actually report instead of forfeiting his salary and incurring fines. He'll put on a happy face, say that he wants to play in the NBA and by about the third pre-season game he'll be moved.

 

[mgb]

Ya, I don't understand why some seem to think we have to do something right away with Rudy. I don't see his value going down from where it is now. Up maybe, but not down, so why this urgency some seem to feel to trade/cut whatever Rudy?

 

[STOMP]

Ya, I don't understand why some seem to think we have to do something right away with Rudy. I don't see his value going down from where it is now. Up maybe, but not down, so why this urgency some seem to feel to trade/cut whatever Rudy?

so we can get on to the next thing to bitch about

STOMP

 

[BGrantFan]

Cho seems incapable of making a deal.

Let's be fair here. He's likely still running all offers through multiple spreadsheets and algorithms to see the most likely impact of each trade. These offers may not still be an option after this process, but one can never be too sure when trading a 3rd string SG who has no interest playing for your team!

 

[RoyToy]

Ya, I don't understand why some seem to think we have to do something right away with Rudy. I don't see his value going down from where it is now. Up maybe, but not down, so why this urgency some seem to feel to trade/cut whatever Rudy?

Interesting.