Interview with Aldridge on BE

[RoyToy]

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2012/...eed-better-defensive-effort-from-greg-monroe/

http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/1...ormance-pistons-dont-in-loss-to-philadelphia/

A major, major step in the right direction for the previously slumping Monroe. His defense was bad and he missed a couple of close-range shots late in the fourth that would’ve kept the Pistons close. But he also made a fantastic catch of a really wild Brandon Knight pass that had him off balance on one of those missed shots

http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/10/internal-improvement-greg-monroe/

Greg Monroe excels in the two areas where big men are most judged – scoring and rebounding – so his poor defense has been mostly unnoticed.

Some defender.

 

[RoyToy]

And for the stat guys

http://www.82games.com/1213/1213DET.HTM

Own/Opp. His opp gets 18.5 on him, highest of all the regulars on that team.

And the Blazers - http://www.82games.com/1213/1213POR.HTM

Aldridge at 16.1.

 

[MickZagger]

If you watched Detriot you wouldn't say he was a good defender. I catch there games now and then and he is about as good as hickson, just stares at people as they make a layup and is horrible on rotation defense. The stats might say he is a good defender but he doesn't hold up to the eye test at all.

I've watched quite a few of the Pistons games as well. I disagree with you and so does the raw data in terms of advanced statistics. Everybody always likes to poo-poo on advanced stats when it doesn't backup their original argument.

 

[MickZagger]

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lol at one play as some kind of proof.

 

[MickZagger]

And for the stat guys

http://www.82games.com/1213/1213DET.HTM

Own/Opp. His opp gets 18.5 on him, highest of all the regulars on that team.

And the Blazers - http://www.82games.com/1213/1213POR.HTM

Aldridge at 16.1.

LOL, way too many variables in that stat.

 

[RoyToy]

I've watched quite a few of the Pistons games as well. I disagree with you and so does the raw data in terms of advanced statistics. Everybody always likes to poo-poo on advanced stats when it doesn't backup their original argument.

Hickson - 115 ortg, 106 drtg, 3.3 ows

Aldridge - 108 ortg, 107 drtg, 3.4 ows

There is clearly a huge hole in your "raw data" theory.

Continue to be ignorant to it, though.

 

[MickZagger]

Hickson - 115 ortg, 3.3 ows

Aldridge - 108 ortg, 3.4 ows

There is clearly a huge hole in your "raw data" theory.

Continue to be ignorant to it, though.

Do you understand the formula behind ORtg? Or OWS? Do you ever look at USG rate as an indicator of anything?

 

[RoyToy]

Hickson has a better drtg than Aldridge

lmfao at "raw data" theory. Kindergarten stuff.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

I suggest you watch more basketball outside of just Blazer games.

Sorry, my language was rather strong. Dude I'm watching the skills comp right now! Get that Dominique guy cause we need designated a half court shooter.

 

[MickZagger]

Hickson has a better drtg than Aldridge

lmfao at "raw data" theory. Kindergarten stuff.

Tell NBA executives that and they'd laugh in your face.

 

[magnifier661]

Tell NBA executives that and they'd laugh in your face.

So you think hickson is a better defender than Aldridge?

 

[RoyToy]

Tell NBA executives that and they'd laugh in your face.

I'm sure they would laugh when I told them Hickson has a better drtg than Aldridge.

Drtg is in no way an individual statistic and people who use it should stop.

 

[MickZagger]

So you think hickson is a better defender than Aldridge?

They're both pretty bad. The only good thing that I like that Aldridge does defensively is how he can go up top and disrupt guards. Other than that he's kind of a boner defensively.

 

[magnifier661]

They're both pretty bad. The only good thing that I like that Aldridge does defensively is how he can go up top and disrupt guards. Other than that he's kind of a boner defensively.

I rest my case on your stats you tried to post to prove Monroe is a better defender than Aldridge

 

[RoyToy]

So you think hickson is a better defender than Aldridge?

Yes because the "raw data" says so

 

[MickZagger]

Yes because the "raw data" says so

Get over it.

 

[MickZagger]

I rest my case on your stats you tried to post to prove Monroe is a better defender than Aldridge

You asked me for the stats. The stats show that Monroe is a significantly better defender than Aldridge.

 

[magnifier661]

You asked me for the stats. The stats show that Monroe is a significantly better defender than Aldridge.

And that same stat said that hickson was better than Aldridge. And we all know that ain't true

 

[MickZagger]

And that same stat said that hickson was better than Aldridge. And we all know that ain't true

1 point give or take in a DRtg isn' a huge deal. A 5 point difference and there's a little something to it. Both Aldridge and Hickson are bad defenders so its not really outrageous.

 

[magnifier661]

1 point give or take in a DRtg isn' a huge deal. A 5 point difference and there's a little something to it. Both Aldridge and Hickson are bad defenders so its not really outrageous.

Of course you think that. Just like you thought not drafting the stash was a big mistake.

 

[RoyToy]

And that same stat said that hickson was better than Aldridge. And we all know that ain't true

The stat is stupid anyways because it's not really an individual statistic.

All things considered, we know from people that watch games that:

Aldridge is a much better defender than Hickson

And that multiple Detroit Pistons blogs have called out Monroe for his bad defense.

Basically the lesson of the day is....... DRtg is a kindergarten statistic.

 

[Jayps15]

And for the stat guys

http://www.82games.com/1213/1213DET.HTM

Own/Opp. His opp gets 18.5 on him, highest of all the regulars on that team.

And the Blazers - http://www.82games.com/1213/1213POR.HTM

Aldridge at 16.1.

Let's actually look at production though, not just PER.

Vs PFs Aldridge gives up 20.7points 10.3rebounds and 3.2 assists per 48 in that link

Vs Cs Monroe gives up 19.6pts 13.1rebs and 1.8asts per 48

20.7/10.3/3.2
19.6/13.1/1.8

So scoring wise Monroe gives up less, but his opponents PER is pumped up by the rebounding numbers.

How about net production per 48 for their respective positions too?

Aldridge gives you 5.7pts/0.6rebs/0.1asts more than his opponent at PF

Monroe gives you 3.9pts/1.0rebs/2.7asts more than his opponent at C


I've talked about this sort of trade with Detroit more than once, and how I'm in favor. Fact is Aldridge and Monroe are comparable talents, they have different games for sure, but the level of talent is close. The fact that banking on Aldridge's reputation and All Star appearances could also net us a solid roleplaying prospect in Singler and possibly Will Bynum or a pick and the talent swap alone I like. Then the kicker is the fact that to make the money work Detroit would need to send us Maggette's expiring, which along with Monroe being on a rookie deal could easily mean an extra 10 million in cap room. With free agents like J.Smith, Millsap, even guys like Big Al or David West could play at the 4 next to Monroe, and we could have the room to not only sign one of them, but also have enough room to fill out our bench as well? Yup, I think it makes us better long term.

 

[Rhal]

Zagger is puling the same shit he did with Love. Love is a horrid defender too and you can see it from just watching him but since the "date" shows he has a better defensive rating then LA he is a better defender then LA.
LA isn't an amazing defender, he is an above average defender at the PF position which just kinda shows how bad most PFs are defensively but he is hands and shoulders above Monroe who defends about as good as Hickson.

 

[MickZagger]

Zagger is puling the same shit he did with Love. Love is a horrid defender too and you can see it from just watching him but since the "date" shows he has a better defensive rating then LA he is a better defender then LA.
LA isn't an amazing defender, he is an above average defender at the PF position which just kinda shows how bad most PFs are defensively but he is hands and shoulders above Monroe who defends about as good as Hickson.

I have never claimed that Love was a good defender. I'd like you to show me where I've ever said he was a good defender. I've just said that were in an era of basketball where pretty much all PF's are shitty defenders so Love not being a good defender isn't a big deal.

 

[MickZagger]

Zagger is puling the same shit he did with Love. Love is a horrid defender too and you can see it from just watching him but since the "date" shows he has a better defensive rating then LA he is a better defender then LA.
LA isn't an amazing defender, he is an above average defender at the PF position which just kinda shows how bad most PFs are defensively but he is hands and shoulders above Monroe who defends about as good as Hickson.

You give nothing to back up your assertion that Aldridge is a better than Monroe except that you've caught a couple Detroit games.

 

[MickZagger]

Let's actually look at production though, not just PER.

Vs PFs Aldridge gives up 20.7points 10.3rebounds and 3.2 assists per 48 in that link

Vs Cs Monroe gives up 19.6pts 13.1rebs and 1.8asts per 48

20.7/10.3/3.2
19.6/13.1/1.8

So scoring wise Monroe gives up less, but his opponents PER is pumped up by the rebounding numbers.

How about net production per 48 for their respective positions too?

Aldridge gives you 5.7pts/0.6rebs/0.1asts more than his opponent at PF

Monroe gives you 3.9pts/1.0rebs/2.7asts more than his opponent at C


I've talked about this sort of trade with Detroit more than once, and how I'm in favor. Fact is Aldridge and Monroe are comparable talents, they have different games for sure, but the level of talent is close. The fact that banking on Aldridge's reputation and All Star appearances could also net us a solid roleplaying prospect in Singler and possibly Will Bynum or a pick and the talent swap alone I like. Then the kicker is the fact that to make the money work Detroit would need to send us Maggette's expiring, which along with Monroe being on a rookie deal could easily mean an extra 10 million in cap room. With free agents like J.Smith, Millsap, even guys like Big Al or David West could play at the 4 next to Monroe, and we could have the room to not only sign one of them, but also have enough room to fill out our bench as well? Yup, I think it makes us better long term.

Great post.

Case.

Closed.

 

[HailBlazers]

Great post.

Case.

Closed.

Until Monroe commands a double team there is no case

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Thought you said Monroe is a better defender than Aldridge? Aldridge is 7 drtg higher

hahahahahahha

 

[RoyToy]

Let's actually look at production though, not just PER.

Vs PFs Aldridge gives up 20.7points 10.3rebounds and 3.2 assists per 48 in that link

Vs Cs Monroe gives up 19.6pts 13.1rebs and 1.8asts per 48

20.7/10.3/3.2
19.6/13.1/1.8

So scoring wise Monroe gives up less, but his opponents PER is pumped up by the rebounding numbers.

How about net production per 48 for their respective positions too?

Aldridge gives you 5.7pts/0.6rebs/0.1asts more than his opponent at PF

Monroe gives you 3.9pts/1.0rebs/2.7asts more than his opponent at C


I've talked about this sort of trade with Detroit more than once, and how I'm in favor. Fact is Aldridge and Monroe are comparable talents, they have different games for sure, but the level of talent is close. The fact that banking on Aldridge's reputation and All Star appearances could also net us a solid roleplaying prospect in Singler and possibly Will Bynum or a pick and the talent swap alone I like. Then the kicker is the fact that to make the money work Detroit would need to send us Maggette's expiring, which along with Monroe being on a rookie deal could easily mean an extra 10 million in cap room. With free agents like J.Smith, Millsap, even guys like Big Al or David West could play at the 4 next to Monroe, and we could have the room to not only sign one of them, but also have enough room to fill out our bench as well? Yup, I think it makes us better long term.

And when you look even closer Monroe allows a higher efg% at C compared to Aldridge at PF.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

And when you look even closer Monroe allows a higher efg% at C compared to Aldridge at PF.

There's no way that could have anything to do with the fact that power forwards take more longer and difficult shots than centers do.