Is Banton a keeper or is he this season's Kevin Knox?

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CJ_is_Gone said:
Not sure your numbers here are correct.

Adding the #5 pick to the current roster will put the team into the tax by ~$4M
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/portland-trail-blazers/cap/2024/
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you appear to be applying the draft pick(s) to this year's tax line (165M), and that's with the salary for this year's 3rd and 23rd picks. The current projection is a 172M tax line, and those next-season projections made at this time in a season almost always land a bit low.

so what I did was set Banton and Brown off to the side, dropping Portland's guarantees to 161M. The 5th pick this season is around 8M. Assume 8.5-9M for next season. That pick and Banton added back in would bump Portland up around the projection for the tax line

and yes, there are a lot of variables at work here
 
wizenheimer said:
you appear to be applying the draft pick(s) to this year's tax line (165M), and that's with the salary for this year's 3rd and 23rd picks. The current projection is a 172M tax line, and those next-season projections made at this time in a season almost always land a bit low.

so what I did was set Banton and Brown off to the side, dropping Portland's guarantees to 161M. The 5th pick this season is around 8M. Assume 8.5-9M for next season. That pick and Banton added back in would bump Portland up around the projection for the tax line

and yes, there are a lot of variables at work here
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Im not doing any calculations.
The best source I have found was Spotrac which I linked to.

Portland payroll will be $167m (including Banton's $2M contract). Not sure how you are coming up with next season's payroll, but your numbers are off.

Adding in the #5 pick, that will increase payroll by ~$8M... putting total payroll near $175M (or ~$4M into the tax)
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Im not doing any calculations.
The best source I have found was Spotrac which I linked to.

Portland payroll will be $167m (including Banton's $2M contract). Not sure how you are coming up with next season's payroll, but your numbers are off.

Adding in the #5 pick, that will increase payroll by ~$8M... putting total payroll near $175M (or ~$4M into the tax)
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I was using BBREF:

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I'm not sure where the 2M differential between bbref and spotrac is generated, but that's only about 1% of the total so I'd say it's not significant

the NBA has projected a 172M tax line. I'm pretty skeptical because projections this early tend to land lower than actual. That's only a 7M increase from this season to next. The 2021-22 tax line was 136.6M; the 2022-23 line was 150.3M, which was about a 14M bump and a 10% increase. That line increased from 150.3M to this year's 165.3M, which was again, a 10% higher tax line than previous. If it only goes up to 172M, that's only a 4% increase. That might be a sound projection, but again, I'm skeptical

I think it would be tight if they kept Banton and the highest pick. But like I said, I imagine the Blazers will trade one or more of Brogdon/Williams/Thybulle and trade for less salary. Grant, Ant, and Ayton might enter in the trade equation as well
 
wizenheimer said:
I was using BBREF:

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I'm not sure where the 2M differential between bbref and spotrac is generated, but that's only about 1% of the total so I'd say it's not significant

the NBA has projected a 172M tax line. I'm pretty skeptical because projections this early tend to land lower than actual. That's only a 7M increase from this season to next. The 2021-22 tax line was 136.6M; the 2022-23 line was 150.3M, which was about a 14M bump and a 10% increase. That line increased from 150.3M to this year's 165.3M, which was again, a 10% higher tax line than previous. If it only goes up to 172M, that's only a 4% increase. That might be a sound projection, but again, I'm skeptical

I think it would be tight if they kept Banton and the highest pick. But like I said, I imagine the Blazers will trade one or more of Brogdon/Williams/Thybulle and trade for less salary. Grant, Ant, and Ayton might enter in the trade equation as well
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You're missing Reath... Thats the $2M discrepancy

So $167M + #5 pick salary (~$8.5M) puts Portland around $176M.... or solidly into the tax.
That's my point. It's not that they will be close and could "maybe" duck the tax without additional moves. They are solidly into the tax, which will necessitate a move
 
I’m not sure why folks are stressing about the cap situation. This is a rebuild: there will likely be trade maneuvering no matter what.
And it’s very likely the team will return to trade discussions that began in previous trade windows (ex; the jerami grant trade, and the matisse thybulle deadline trade that was picked up from draft night the year prior).
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
You're missing Reath... Thats the $2M discrepancy

So $167M + #5 pick salary (~$8.5M) puts Portland around $176M.... or solidly into the tax.
That's my point. It's not that they will be close and could "maybe" duck the tax without additional moves. They are solidly into the tax, which will necessitate a move
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ok...assuming the line is 172M. Kind of hard to believe the increase over the last 3 years will be 10%-->10%-->4%, but maybe the projection is accurate. It wasn't last year by the way

and I said in the first post about this I expected a move that reduces salary. It might be something like Williams or Thybulle into cap-space or a TPE
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
The #5 pick replaces Moses Brown roster spot.
The second round picks will be on 2-way contracts (replacing Minaya and Badji)

The roster crunch comes with the GSW pick. Who do you move or get rid of there?

The other big issue is assuming Portland keeps the #5 (but trades #13 for a future pick), they'll be in the tax by ~$4M. If they keep both picks, they'll be in the tax by ~$10M.

I don't see the Blazers being willing to enter the season with that much salary... so by default one of Thybulle, Grant, Ant, Brogdon, or Ayton will have to be traded
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Unless there's a hot prospect at #5 who plays a position of need, I'd be more interested in packaging the #5, #13, (any or all of our late picks), and a body, such as Brogdon and/or Thybulle, for an actual player. Probably take a three team trade?
 
BBert said:
Unless there's a hot prospect at #5 who plays a position of need, I'd be more interested in packaging the #5, #13, (any or all of our late picks), and a body, such as Brogdon and/or Thybulle, for an actual player. Probably take a three team trade?
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I was thinking about something along those lines, but was struggling with who the wing target could/should be. Someone like Jaylen Brown, if Boston wanted to shed salary, but outside of a colossal flameout by them, can't see them wanting to break it up just yet. Zion? Mikal? Markannen?
 
RR7 said:
I was thinking about something along those lines, but was struggling with who the wing target could/should be. Someone like Jaylen Brown, if Boston wanted to shed salary, but outside of a colossal flameout by them, can't see them wanting to break it up just yet. Zion? Mikal? Markannen?
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Yeah, what I'd like and what might be possible might not match. Like usual.
 
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What looks like the blazers trying to get longer and banton fits that bill. One or two these players might not be on this team next year Grant Simons and brogdon.
 
I've watched a couple of Remix games with Knox and being compared to him is not a bad thing. The guy can flat out hoop and has a nose for the basket. I love having the Remix be our G league team. It's working really well keeping our 3rd stringers in game shape and developing our younger talent. Banton and Knox are both a good problem to have either way. I don't think comparing Banton to Knox is a knock on Banton at all.
 
Banton is a wild dribbler like the gangly Will Barton. Am I the only one who noticed that as soon as Barton was kicked out of the NBA, Banton appeared? Everyone else is falling for the 1-letter change?
 
Blazinaway said:
You are awars the all-time a

Are you aware that the avg FG% (all-time) for an SG is 44% and a PG is 43.4%? seems like Banton is right at that average
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I think he's referring to just his 2 pt FG%, whereas those are the overall FG%'s.
 
I mean the odds are stacked against him being a real contributor on a winning team. If Boston gave him away like that it says a lot to me. They KNOW talent. I hope he defies the odds! Stranger things have happened
 
jlprk said:
Banton is a wild dribbler like the gangly Will Barton. Am I the only one who noticed that as soon as Barton was kicked out of the NBA, Banton appeared? Everyone else is falling for the 1-letter change?
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I had to check but found Barton signed with a Russian team and was sent back for a failed medical and has now signed with a team in Granada Spain for the last stretch of their season.
 
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