Is Chris Paul the trade KP is working on?

[Pinwheel1]

I just can't envision Paul and Roy playing together when you look at how Roy and Miller played together. Roy wants the ball, and really, he needs it to be effective because he's not very active without it. Perhaps he would take a backseat to Paul because unlike Miller, Paul is better than Roy. Who cares, though. Isn't happening. Monty probably made sure Paul wouldn't be traded before he took the job. No point in taking a job where you lose your best player because that pretty much means you'll be fired in 3 years.

I don't think Monty was in any position to negotiate player personnel decisions.
It has been stated that Paul is better than Roy. Well he is a hell of a lot better than Miller too. Paul can do many things Miller can not do that would complement Roy. (Like spread the floor)

Plus Paul can take a few plays off while Brandon controls the possession

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

It's not CP3 we could potentially acquire.... I bet it's Steve Nash.... Think about it. GM Steve Kerr resigned because the owner is tight with his purse (or satchel). Amare will not be back, especially due to the tight owner and Kerr leaving. Take away Amare, what's the point of hanging on to an aging, expensive PG? Joel, Miller, and Bayless for Nash.

We were rumored to be interested in Nash a couple times of the last year or two. I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of communication/groundwork wasn't laid out at that time that has been carried to current times, even with Kerr out as GM.

 

[Minstrel]

Or, the change in role could help him stay healthy - increasing his productivity and extending his career.

It may extend his career and this improve his career productivity. But winning titles is about the highest level of production on a per-game basis, especially in the playoffs. I don't think any durability gains he ends up with over the course of a game would even out the losses he'd experience being a cutter off the ball.

There is an element of risk involved......but less than in the "Oden carries the team" scenario.

Less risk, yes and less reward. I don't know about Oden "carrying" the team, but I don't think there's much risk to the proposition that Oden should be one of the several most valuable big men in the game. He's already been that in the games he's played. The risk comes in terms of his health...which is certainly worrying, but a lot less so than lack of talent. IMO, at least.

 

[Pinwheel1]

It's not CP3 we could potentially acquire.... I bet it's Steve Nash.... Think about it. GM Steve Kerr resigned because the owner is tight with his purse (or satchel). Amare will not be back, especially due to the tight owner and Kerr leaving. Take away Amare, what's the point of hanging on to an aging, expensive PG? Joel, Miller, and Bayless for Nash.

We were rumored to be interested in Nash a couple times of the last year or two. I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of communication/groundwork wasn't laid out at that time that has been carried to current times, even with Kerr out as GM.

That is a pretty good take. Makes sense. Not as exciting of a move, but certainly more attainable.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Second, your stats argument is pretty well voided by small sample size. There are any number of players in NBA history who managed to string together a streak of 20 good games. Ask Billy Ray Bates what that is worth.

Not as good as Greg's 21 games. If there was, they'd be on that list, too. And did you think Oden was playing "good" or "super" or "All-time Great" when you were watching him this season? I didn't. I saw "man, he's got potential...man, if he had his wind...man, if he got used more on offense in better situations". Only looking back with the expectations of "Good rebounder, good defense, good efficiency on offense" did the All-Time thing come up.

EDIT: I see. You're saying if BRB's "best 20 games" in a season weren't colored by 62 average or bad ones, he'd be there too. Got it.

 

[BBert]

It's not CP3 we could potentially acquire.... I bet it's Steve Nash.... Think about it. GM Steve Kerr resigned because the owner is tight with his purse (or satchel). Amare will not be back, especially due to the tight owner and Kerr leaving. Take away Amare, what's the point of hanging on to an aging, expensive PG? Joel, Miller, and Bayless for Nash.

We were rumored to be interested in Nash a couple times of the last year or two. I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of communication/groundwork wasn't laid out at that time that has been carried to current times, even with Kerr out as GM.

As much as I love fantasizing about getting Chris Paul (and yes, I'd trade Roy if that were the price), this makes a lot more sense. The defensive liability part is troubling but Nash can certainly handle the ball and distribute, he is deadly from the free throw line, and he is the kind of three-point shooting point guard Nate seems to need next to Roy.

 

[BGrantFan]

It may extend his career and this improve his career productivity. But winning titles is about the highest level of production on a per-game basis, especially in the playoffs. I don't think any durability gains he ends up with over the course of a game would even out the losses he'd experience being a cutter off the ball.



Less risk, yes and less reward. I don't know about Oden "carrying" the team, but I don't think there's much risk to the proposition that Oden should be one of the several most valuable big men in the game. He's already been that in the games he's played. The risk comes in terms of his health...which is certainly worrying, but a lot less so than lack of talent. IMO, at least.

I disagree. I think Chris Paul is a much better player than Greg Oden, and I think he'd make everybody on the team much better than our current or past PGs. Oden had a 23 PER in 21 games. While I love seeing that from Greg, Paul has AVERAGED a 25.6 PER, and he still had a better PER than Oden last season while coming off of midseason surgery. Paul is an elite NBA player right now. Oden has shown some good things (PER/production) and some bad things (injury-prone/foul-plagued). Refusing a trade where the principal players are Paul for NO and Oden for Portland would be a fireable offense for the GM, IMO.

From a pure prodiction and basketball point of view, I don't see how any NBA GM would refuse that trade if ther owner was willing to take on Okafor's bad contract.

 

[Minstrel]

I disagree. I think Chris Paul is a much better player than Greg Oden

I'm not sure why you're making that comparison in response to me. I agree that Paul, right now, is significantly better than Oden. My contention was that a Paul/Oden pairing (with Aldridge) is higher risk and higher reward than a Paul/Roy pairing (with Aldridge). A large part of that is because, as I said, I don't think Paul and Roy can both maximally leverage their talent together. Part of it, though, is that I think Oden will be more valuable than Roy once Oden is in his prime, if he stays healthy.

The "if he stays healthy" is the higher risk part. My belief that Oden, in his prime, will be a better player than Roy and a better combination with Paul is the higher reward part.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Just now on the MSP, in response to a question about reports that the Blazers were interested in Chris Paul, Quick said, "That report did not surprise me, and you can deduce what you want to deduce from that." So I think he just made it pretty clear what he was alluding to in his report.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Yup, and it seems NOH were just toying with KP

 

[Nikolokolus]

Yup, and it seems NOH were just toying with KP

Actually it sounds like talks got far enough for NOH to guage just how much Portland was willing to part with (a lot by all accounts) and now with that information in hand they are going to go around to other suitors and tell them "Hey Portland just offered us X, Y and Z. If you want Paul you're going to have to do better." This doesn't mean they will deal Paul to somebody else, it doesn't mean they'll deal him at all, but it also means that I wouldn't be shocked if the talks were reopened with the Blazers if nobody is able to trump their initial offering, or maybe they ask them to sweeten the deal a little bit.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Actually it sounds like talks got far enough for NOH to guage just how much Portland was willing to part with (a lot by all accounts) and now with that information in hand they are going to go around to other suitors and tell them "Hey Portland just offered us X, Y and Z. If you want Paul you're going to have to do better." This doesn't mean they will deal Paul to somebody else, it doesn't mean they'll deal him at all, but it also means that I wouldn't be shocked if the talks were reopened with the Blazers if nobody is able to trump their initial offering, or maybe they ask them to sweeten the deal a little bit.

Wouldnt they only be reopened if and only if they were serious of moving him?

 

[STOMP]

Yup, and it seems NOH were just toying with KP

or more likely, KP was throwing a red herring to JQ who was toying with the extremely gullible

thats not to say that they haven't inquired about CP and other top players, but those are pipe dreams

STOMP

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

or more likely, KP was throwing a red herring to JQ who was toying with the extremely gullible

thats not to say that they haven't inquired about CP and other top players, but those are pipe dreams

STOMP

I think it was serious because Woj had the story too, and im pretty sure that Woj and Quick dont have the same sources

 

[Nikolokolus]

Wouldnt they only be reopened if and only if they were serious of moving him?

Yes. I'm just saying that because NO supposedly pulled back and has cut off contact with the Blazers it doesn't mean those talks can't be reopened. Jeff Bower would be foolish to bite on the first serious trade offer sent across his desk, he's smart to pull back and a) make the Blazers sweat a little, b) think long and hard about trading away a true franchise player and c) explore all of his options and offers from other teams.

 

[Nikolokolus]

or more likely, KP was throwing a red herring to JQ who was toying with the extremely gullible

thats not to say that they haven't inquired about CP and other top players, but those are pipe dreams

STOMP

I guarantee that KP's sources are not inside the Blazers organization, he relies on agents, league officials and other people around the league. It would be extremely unusual for a beat reporter to rely on his covered team for information.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Yes. I'm just saying that because NO supposedly pulled back and has cut off contact with the Blazers it doesn't mean those talks can't be reopened. Jeff Bower would be foolish to bite on the first serious trade offer sent across his desk, he's smart to pull back and a) make the Blazers sweat a little, b) think long and hard about trading away a true franchise player and c) explore all of his options and offers from other teams.

Honestly we should throw everything at them in a scenario where we keep Roy and ONE of the following three: Oden, LMA, Batum

 

[barfo]

I guarantee that KP's sources are not inside the Blazers organization, he relies on agents, league officials and other people around the league.

Well, I guess that explains why he's getting fired.

barfo

 

[ironcrotch]

If they really are or aren't looking to move him, what do you expect them to say? Of course they're gonna deny shopping him.

 

[STOMP]

I think it was serious because Woj had the story too, and im pretty sure that Woj and Quick dont have the same sources

why? Birds of a feather...

Besides GO, remind me of all the times JQuick correctly predicted the Blazer draft. Though he always makes some bold claims, I'm pretty sure he's batting an even 0.00%

STOMP

 

[STOMP]

I guarantee that JQ's (fixed) sources are not inside the Blazers organization, he relies on agents, league officials and other people around the league. It would be extremely unusual for a beat reporter to rely on his covered team for information.

??? he claims to exchange texts and speak on the phone to KP and thats largely whats fueled the Paul rumors of late... KP is inside the Blazer's organization right?

STOMP

 

[BrianFromWA]

If you believe Jaynes (or his "sources"), the deal is dead and KP's job is not saved. He also made it sound like it would not involve Roy, Oden or LMA. Maybe that's why it's dead.

 

[Nikolokolus]

??? he claims to exchange texts and speak on the phone to KP and thats largely whats fueled the Paul rumors of late... KP is inside the Blazer's organization right?

STOMP

No, not right.

 

[ironcrotch]

J Quick on WAW says it would be a 4 for 1 and very painful for the Blazer fans but good.

I'm guessing it involves, LMA Rudy Miller and Pryz or something like that.

Gave enough hints that point out that it's pretty much CP3.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

The deal originally reported was actually LMA, Batum, Miller and Przybilla.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

I'd be willing to do LMA, Batum, Miller, Przybilla, Rudy, 22, 34, 2012 top 3 protected pick, and the rights to Claver and take on any of their bad contracts.

 

[RoyToy]

Miller/Przy/Batum/Rudy

If Monty was forced to give up CP3 to Portland he'd demand Batum.

 

[RoyToy]

The deal originally reported was actually LMA, Batum, Miller and Przybilla.

Source?

 

[The Sebastian Express]

Source?

RealGM insider who has been breaking things for years. You're free to come over and view our Shorts thread.

 

[Idog1976]

RealGM insider who has been breaking things for years. You're free to come over and view our Shorts thread.

CP3 definitely being shopped.

Maybe he will be a Blazer after all. Might take a 3 team trade so we deal LMA and NOH gets LMA equivalent value from another team. Not sure what that would look like. LMA and West might be an OK frontline as well. Better then Okafur/West for sure.