Is Dame better than LA now?

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BlazerCaravan said:
Clutch has a particular meaning now though: +/-5 points, 5 minutes or less to go in 4th or OT . So shooting 3's down 15 is not clutch. It's a strategy.

Both Dame and LA have 18 made FG's in clutch time this year. LA has a better FG% (48.6% versus 46.2%) but Dame's effective FG% is higher (53.8% vs 48.6%) because he's drilling threes at 40%.

Wes is not so clutch: 34.8 FG%, eFG% of 45.7%... only 8 FGs made.
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Or shooting with < 6 seconds on the shot clock. Or during playoff pressure minutes.

Anyhow, 82games.com says Wes is 3 shots out of 100 worse than Lillard, "in the clutch." .333 vs. .300.
 
I refer to Lillard and Aldridge like the Shaq and Kobe Lakers. Shaq used to dominate and demand doubles throughout the game, then Kobe took over the 4th. I will say that Dame is the closer... The guy that is mentally stronger, Aldridge is getting there, which is weird for how old he is.

I will say I love em both the same.
 
I dunno, but I'm glad it is a question that has to be asked. Shows what a stud of a PG we got.
 
I am surprised to see this question even asked. This Blazer team would be good and are with Blake at PG.
The would be looking up at .500 if the didn't have Lamarcus.
 
Lillard is clearly the better offensive player, I don't really think it's a stretch to say that.

I will say however, when Aldridge is engaged, he is by far our best defensive player.
 
B-Roy said:
Lillard is clearly the better offensive player, I don't really think it's a stretch to say that.

I will say however, when Aldridge is engaged, he is by far our best defensive player.
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Agreed, though Lillard is closing that gap and fast. He gets some very timely blocks and steals!
 
B-Roy said:
Lillard is clearly the better offensive player, I don't really think it's a stretch to say that.

I will say however, when Aldridge is engaged, he is by far our best defensive player.
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Huh? Wes, RoLo, and Batum are all far better defenders that LMA when equally engaged. And other than Batum, who has the intensity of a sloth half the time, that's pretty much always.

LMA is a better defender than Lillard, if that's what you meant. Not really by all that much, though. Neither is particularly good at keeping his guy from spots he wants to get to. LMA just has the advantage of help defense being closer by.
 
handiman said:
Huh? Wes, RoLo, and Batum are all far better defenders that LMA when equally engaged. And other than Batum, who has the intensity of a sloth half the time, that's pretty much always.

LMA is a better defender than Lillard, if that's what you meant. Not really by all that much, though. Neither is particularly good at keeping his guy from spots he wants to get to. LMA just has the advantage of help defense being closer by.
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Funny that you mention that. I do agree that Lopez is arguably our best "help defender" and Matthews is our best perimeter defender. Aldridge is still damn good on one on one defense.

I believe the reason why our team is one of the best defensive teams in the league isn't about the individual accolades, but the collaboration of all parts working together in harmony. The chemistry is a big factor here.
 
e_blazer said:
Can't have one without the other and be successful.

LeBron James is pretty universally seen as the best player in the league, but without having a true stud PF (and obviously, that ain't Love), the Cavs are mediocre. No matter how good Dame is, the Blazers aren't going to win without LA, or somebody just as good as he is.
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This. It doesn't matter.
 
Apples and Oranges. They make each other better. Both allstar francise players. Last game Dame played better but Lamarcus has had his share of those in the win column as well
 
KingSpeed said:
Mags had a star recently that said Aldridge is actually the most clutch player in the league.
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Well yes, the stats on 82games.com can give you one stat. There also was another stat that his FG% is the highest of all players in the NBA when the game is 5 points or less.

But we can talk about 82games right now.

http://www.82games.com/1415/14POR12.HTM

Clutch Stats: 100% minutes, Net Points: +12, Offensive Efficiency: 105.1, Defensive Efficiency: 87.4, Net 48 min: 17.8, Win: 63.6%

Here is Lillard, who I believe is also clutch...

http://www.82games.com/1415/14POR2.HTM

Clutch Stats: 93% minutes, Net Points: +11, Offensive Efficiency: 107.8, Defensive Efficiency: 90.3, Net 48 min: 17.4, Win: 63.6%

So if you think Lillard is clutch and Aldridge isn't, then you are a fucking idiot that deserves to get pulled to the back of the shed and put out of their misery
 
magnifier661 said:
Well yes, the stats on 82games.com can give you one stat. There also was another stat that his FG% is the highest of all players in the NBA when the game is 5 points or less.

But we can talk about 82games right now.

http://www.82games.com/1415/14POR12.HTM

Clutch Stats: 100% minutes, Net Points: +12, Offensive Efficiency: 105.1, Defensive Efficiency: 87.4, Net 48 min: 17.8, Win: 63.6%

Here is Lillard, who I believe is also clutch...

http://www.82games.com/1415/14POR2.HTM

Clutch Stats: 93% minutes, Net Points: +11, Offensive Efficiency: 107.8, Defensive Efficiency: 90.3, Net 48 min: 17.4, Win: 63.6%

So if you think Lillard is clutch and Aldridge isn't, then you are a fucking idiot that deserves to get pulled to the back of the shed and put out of their misery
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Hahahaha! Thanks mags.
 
Sinobas said:
Is Damian Lillard better than JR Smith? Is Damian Lillard better than Kobe Bryant? Is Damian Lillard better than Channing Frye?
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I've never ever considered putting somebody on ignore in 5 years, atlas the time as come. Adios Sinobas, nice knowing ya.

:rolleyes:
 
People need to stop it with LaMarcus being double teamed. He is hardly ever double teamed. Do you guys even watch the games? I watch every game and he is single covered over 90% of the time.
 
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Absolutely agree that while I want the ball in Dame's hands at the end of the game, LA is the player that has us in position to win late. Without him constantly drawing double and sometimes triple teams, the other guys are not getting the open looks that we depend on. The game winning layup last night by Dame was a result of the inbounds going to LA, the Laker defenders collapsing to him and LA quickly dropping the ball off to Dame on the baseline.
 
handiman said:
Huh? Wes, RoLo, and Batum are all far better defenders that LMA when equally engaged. And other than Batum, who has the intensity of a sloth half the time, that's pretty much always.

LMA is a better defender than Lillard, if that's what you meant. Not really by all that much, though. Neither is particularly good at keeping his guy from spots he wants to get to. LMA just has the advantage of help defense being closer by.
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Don't agree at all. Aldridge definitely gets lazy on defense sometimes, but he's as good of a rim protector as Robin and moves his feet on defense well enough to guard most perimeter players.

He just isn't engaged most of the time. Saves his energy for midrange jumpshots, clearly.

I can probably remember more good crunch time defensive plays by Aldridge than any of the others.
 
Sinobas said:
People need to stop it with LaMarcus being double teamed. He is hardly ever double teamed. Do you guys even watch the games? I watch every game and he is single covered over 90% of the time.
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It's pretty obvious your hater blinders are on... Nothing really new though, since you've only harped on his 10-15' jump shot and completely ignored every other stat presented to you. I watch every game and I see him doubled fairly often when he gets into the post. And according to http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01/shooting/2015/ he plays inside 10 ft 210 times out of 624 total shots (33.65% of the time). Your idiotic style of hatred has reached new levels. 90% of the time? Yeah right!
 
magnifier661 said:
Well yes, the stats on 82games.com can give you one stat. There also was another stat that his FG% is the highest of all players in the NBA when the game is 5 points or less.

But we can talk about 82games right now.

http://www.82games.com/1415/14POR12.HTM

Clutch Stats: 100% minutes, Net Points: +12, Offensive Efficiency: 105.1, Defensive Efficiency: 87.4, Net 48 min: 17.8, Win: 63.6%

Here is Lillard, who I believe is also clutch...

http://www.82games.com/1415/14POR2.HTM

Clutch Stats: 93% minutes, Net Points: +11, Offensive Efficiency: 107.8, Defensive Efficiency: 90.3, Net 48 min: 17.4, Win: 63.6%

So if you think Lillard is clutch and Aldridge isn't, then you are a fucking idiot that deserves to get pulled to the back of the shed and put out of their misery
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The stats on 82 games haven't been updated since December 17th, so everything on that site is only counting the 1st 25 of the Blazers 35 games this season. I always like how informative some of their positional stats are, but whoever runs the site only updates it like once or twice a month which kind of sucks.
 
Jayps16 said:
The stats on 82 games haven't been updated since December 17th, so everything on that site is only counting the 1st 25 of the Blazers 35 games this season. I always like how informative some of their positional stats are, but whoever runs the site only updates it like once or twice a month which kind of sucks.
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Well basketball-reference has the updated stats... Still currently, Aldridge is shooting 47.8% when the score is 5 or less, while Dame is 44.6%.
 
As for the question in the OP, last year I thought they were pretty even with my bias leaning a bit towards Dame. But with the season Dame is having right now and the huge steps forward he's made in such a short time I'm definitely in the camp of Dame being the man on this team. Basically all the big picture individual stats say Dame's playing better this year and has genuinely broken into the discussion as a top 10 player leaguewide. PER, Win shares, Boxscore +/-, VORP, VA, WPA, Real +/-, Dame isn't just leading the team, he's top 5 or top 10 in the league across the board, and I'm hoping to see a natural transition with the teams play to reflect that.

Not a hard edict from the staff or others on the team for Dame to take more possessions than LA(because I don't know how LA would take it), but just a slow transition to where they flip their respective USG% of 26% and 29% sort of like the Spurs in the playoffs where Parker really kinda drives them. LA has had career highs in USG% the past 2 years and his efficiency in scoring just hasn't held up, while Dame's USG% has gone up a little bit each year and his efficiency has risen along with it. The teams doing pretty good offensively as is at 10th in the league in O Rating, but going forward the trends make me think a touch more Lillard and a little less LA would make us an even harder to beat team going forward.
 
Looking up stats. Lillard is tied with LeBron for Estimated Wins Added.

Also- Kobe is 2nd in usage rate and 66th in PER. God, that's awful.
 
magnifier661 said:
It's pretty obvious your hater blinders are on... Nothing really new though, since you've only harped on his 10-15' jump shot and completely ignored every other stat presented to you. I watch every game and I see him doubled fairly often when he gets into the post. And according to http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01/shooting/2015/ he plays inside 10 ft 210 times out of 624 total shots (33.65% of the time). Your idiotic style of hatred has reached new levels. 90% of the time? Yeah right!
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What other stats have you presented me? We've looked at overall FG% (poor) eFG% (poor) TS%(Poor) rebounding rate (average). I think we can all at least agree that he's not double teamed on those jumpers which constitute the majority of his shots. And he's often not doubled in the post, but he so rarely posts up down low.
 
That's the thing though. If we look at LA's game and stats in a vacuum, I don't think any of us would be too satisfied. It's high usg, low efficiency, with brutal shot selection. His midrange game provides key spacing for the rest of the team, but he shoots way too much. We call Melo and Harden chuckers, but LA actually shoots more than them on a nightly basis,.

Some of those attempts need to go to Dame/Nic/Wes is what I'm saying, especially if he continues to shy away from going inside while opting for fadeaway 20' jumpers with 15 on the shot clock. It would help both his and the team's overall offensive efficiency.
 
When we are playing at out best and moving the ball well almost to fault then I agree that the shot distribution does even out quite a bit more. The problem is on nights where the three isn't falling. Sometimes at that point LMA over shooting is our next best option until someone can finally heat up from outside late in the game which is usually Dame
 
BlazerCaravan said:
LA asked Dame to take over in the 4th. I think that shows you how awesome he thinks Dame is.

It's not a Batman/Robin situation, but it might be a Superman/Batman situation; they compliment each other, but one is stronger.
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I disagree. I don't think either one is stronger than the other. I like them both; I want both of them to stay.
 
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