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Apparently asking legitimate questions.... doesn't go over well with some. Stotts reacts much the same in others conferences.
 
Well Dame is the leader in many ways. He not in charge of getting players sign here that Olshey job and not responsible for drawing up the game plan. But the players are responsible to excute the game plan and if they go outside the game plan that's on the players and the coach. Now is Dame over rated that answer is I don't thank so but he does have flaws in his game now that's as player that's plays ever night hurt or not. But is play constitute how much he make this year year but next year I think he over paid. But I think no one playing basketball is worth 40 million a year.
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
Depends on what you view Dame as a player. As much as I love Dame, I've never placed him as a top 5 player in any of the season he's played in. I think criticism of his defense is fair, but it's difficult to judge a player individual defense. Dame has played for a coach that I think is subpar defensively in his system and schemes.

I like and respect that Dame's a loyal person. Management can take Dame's input in their decision making if they like, but ultimately it's their decision to make regarding Stotts (or any personnel move). I don't think Dame should be blamed at all whether Stotts is fired or retained.

I'm more than happy with Dame as our franchise player. He needs another bona fide star to play alongside him.
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Ive never placed him top 5 either because of his D.

My main question/concern though is, lets say we get him help(I asked if that is what he needs) but the coach still plays the help wrong and Dame continues to support and defend the coach? When does it became a detriment to winning, his career and trying to bring a ring to Portland?

If MVP caliber or top 20 players(Jimmy Butler) are able to control their front office and force them to make hard decisions to improve the team, why isn't Dame also doing this? Why does he give unconditional support to a coach most can see is letting things slip away? And how is that not a slight on his rating? Part of Dames rating is how good of a leader he is, but then the same people who want to get snarky in this thread and act as if the OP is an idiot, refuse to acknowlegdge this and the points I brought up?

Why is it a bad thing to ask why he is so loyal to this coach and does it hurt his overall rating as aa player?
 
AldoTrapani said:
Now you can see the backlash I get when I say that lol
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But im asking questions( even if the response from some is as if I made statements) Im not saying the team sucks, is trash, Or anything of the like.


Im simply asking if Dame is overrated based on him being an MVP caliber player, compared to what other MVP caliber players do both on the court and how they flex to thier team to make them better.

I cant help it if some around here only read what they want to read, dismiss half my post and then go on some rant about how Olshey never gets blamed, or some stupid shit like that. or even better. Commenting with snark at the OP while fully admitting not reading anything... thats preschool shit man.
 
You want to know who's overrated?

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TBpup said:
Apparently asking legitimate questions.... doesn't go over well with some. Stotts reacts much the same in others conferences.
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Yep. I read a couple comments and I was like... "But the guy you are bashing responds the same way you are right now, and you bash him for it. LOL

some people dont have mirrors or something.....Must be all that JAQing off. LOL.
 
As a rapper, poet, performer and musician he is vastly overrated in my view....as a basketball player and franchise leader who's broken NBA records and is listed with the best of the best he's underrated. He's also banged up right now...if he doesn't score 50 a game don't let that fool you into thinking he's any less special. He does not have to put every game on his back to prove it either. When I think about Dame this thread title doesn't even cross my mind.
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
Then no doubt we'd have people calling him a malcontent for trying to get his coach fired. No, I'd rather Dame play ball and try to help his teammates as much as he can. Let the GM and ownership deal with the coaching situation.
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Dame is diplomatic enough to influence, he’s already been doing it, imo with regards to coach and CJ.
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
I'm not doubting his influence, I just don't think it should matter.
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Technically you are right on and I agree that employee’s / players should just do their job.
Thats the old taylorism closed door management way, now days key employees wt all levels are asked to provide ways to improve a process or product/service.
 
riverman said:
As a rapper, poet, performer and musician he is vastly overrated in my view....as a basketball player and franchise leader who's broken NBA records and is listed with the best of the best he's underrated. He's also banged up right now...if he doesn't score 50 a game don't let that fool you into thinking he's any less special. He does not have to put every game on his back to prove it either. When I think about Dame this thread title doesn't even cross my mind.
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His NBA records are an amazing thing. It seems like the question is, how can some of that translate to the post-season, and can the team grow with him as the franchise player. Right now, they are fighting for their non-play in game lives at #6. That would be fine if this was Dame's 3rd or 4th season but in season 9, it seems not out of line to ask why it hasn't become better?
 
Hoopguru said:
Technically you are right on and I agree that employee’s / players should just do their job.
Thats the old taylorism closed door management way, now days key employees wt all levels are asked to provide ways to improve a process or product/service.
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It's good to ask Lillard's opinion. The players, especially the ones who are the main drivers of success, should have some input on the people they have to work with to create that success. Player-coach is a partnership, so it's not at all unreasonable that player opinion should be solicited. But ultimately, the buck on that decision stops with the GM, not the player.
 
Orion Bailey said:
This may not go over well, but Ive been wondering. Other than his late game heroics and clutch shooting, combined with his superb personality, Is he overrated?

He has had some incredible historic games no doubt, but he is not consistent. He doesn't play defense and he is in a comfort zone it seems.

Dont get me wrong, I love Dame, but I think the kinks in the armor have never been more glaring than now.

His kinks? Too much loyalty.

With Dame being our franchise player, is he leading us down a path of mediocrity with his unconditional support of Stotts?

Is it just that he needs help? Another all star or two? If so, he also needs to recognize this and stop being loyal to players less than capable of being an all star.

Does he want to win? Or just float along as a .500 team and never win?

Franchise players have alot of pull and he could be pulling hard, but has not and never has.

I'm done listening to the talk, lets see some walk....
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TBpup said:
I've seen this more and more from fans in a variety of venues. It's not that they don't love Dame, but they question his abject loyalty to a coach that hasn't adapted to their biggest Achilles heel. Also, for being such a great leader, Dame isn't demanding more on defense....starting with himself. He has done a great job as a scorer, and no one can doubt his work ethic (on offense), but he has yet to impact the team in much of a measurable way other than mostly year after year medicrity and enbabling his best friend to basically be just like he is....all offense, little defense.
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Guys, I don't blame anyone for asking a question and this is an easy opinion to fall into but I do not think he's overrated. In fact, given the right coaching and complementary teammates, I think he'd be better than just an all nba second teamer. I think he'd win an MVP or a few.

Leading through positivity and by example as a peer is a very effective leadership style, especially when you have people above you who have the leverage to hold people accountable in ways that are far less humiliating. This is LeBron James's leadership style and has served him well. (Edit: It was also Magic's leadership style and went well for him too) The fact that Dame has undying loyalty to everyone around him is the only reason we're able to hold onto him.

The narrative that he is compelling the franchise to keep the GM, the coach and players that don't fit with him is where it gets interesting. If that is the case, then yes he's not just overrated, he's the problem and a valuable problem that should be cashed in through trade. I just don't have the evidence and don't think that's the case. There are two scenarios why I don't think that's the case.

One is that you're right and Dame does throw his weight around and keep things from moving along but that isn't compelling or making the team do anything. This is still on the ownership/management. It's their job to say that this isn't working and that they will no longer be letting him run the show. You ask him if that will result in a trade and make it clear that you won't put out a false narrative that the team abandoned him.

The other and most likely possibility is that Dame is just loyal and like he has with so many other moves, he would be sad to see his friends go, talk about how it's a business, think about his "letter O" brand and everything that means, and then get in line and work his ass off for a new coach and new teammates being put together by a new GM.
 
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Hoopguru said:
It is on the ownership & GM then if they dont make needed changes its seems to come down to the team star to flex his influence. Just my opinion.
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This team's star is all about loyalty so he will not flex his influence to institute personnel change at any level. That is going to have to come from above and if he is flexing his influence to absolutely stop change then that's the only time his loyalty is a problem and the organization should move on from him.

If he sees his role as the ultimate team guy that has the back of everyone around him until ownership/management moves them and then moves on to having the back of everyone else that has played with or coached him (like he's shown over and over again)... that's a strength and a rare one. It never has to fall on Dame to be a catalyst for coaching changes or player movement... he can be the best in the game by leading through his example and supporting those around him. He doesn't have to diagnose roster problems or problems with coaching strategy, that's just not in his job description.
 
If Dame has done things to keep Stotts just because he is comfortable with him despite how overmatched he seems at times and unable to make adjustments, it seems fair to question if that is in the best interest of the team overall.

If Dame has let it be known he doesn't want his BFF CJ moved because he is comfortable and likes him, I get it, but it seems again, fair to question how that helps the team in the long run. If another player was available that had a more well rounded game and more length and Dame offered a dissentig opinion, of course the GM can still make the move....but it is a players league.

Players like LeBron, Kobe, MJ, etc have made their opinions known when it came to coaches, players, and trades and often didn't give a rat's but about friends. It's why Jordan was such a success. Maybe a bit of an ass, but few winners haven't pissed off someone along the way.
 
Of course, he is not overrated. OP question is wrong. Is he overrated as a leader? May be.
 
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