Is Dame the modern version of Stephon Marbury?

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Mediocre Man said:
Better than completely dismissing someone. Trump seems horible so far, but he has decent ideas on some things
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Seems?

I'm not dismissing it. I'm stating how it's bullshit all throughout this thread.
 
BonesJones said:
The thing is, if Arenas had his head on straight, and was healthy, he would've been a top 10 player for years.

But because he was an idiot who was always hurt, it ends up as an overall negative comparison to Dame, for reasons that couldn't be further from relevant in terms of Dame.
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We are talking about game vs game. Not the other shit. If you want to call him a better player because of the peripheral stuff then fine. I dont care. But the stats are eerily similar to the two. On the court there definitely were some similarities of their game.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Do you really want me to start posting Curry's efficiency ratings? He makes Dame look like a fucking joke.
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Dames TS% is 5 points lower than Curry's. Marbury's is 4 points lower than Dames.

So if you think Curry's a bullshit comparison, and don't think yours is, then your showing your hypocrisy.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
We are talking about game vs game. Not the other shit. If you want to call him a better player because of the peripheral stuff then fine. I dont care. But the stats are eerily similar to the two. On the court there definitely were some similarities of their game.
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Okay, but there's many other payers with stats just as similar, just seems ironic then, that you'd use Arenas as a comparison in a thread comparing Dame to Marbury while a big portion of the fanbase has been Dame bashing.
 
Mediocre Man said:
In what way? He IS poor defensively. He doesn't really make his teammates better
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I explained this to you yesterday, and you had no response, and now you're saying I'm dismissing you?

Again: "Lillard can't MAKE Aminu hit 3s. Turner isn't a player than anyone can MAKE better. Lillard couldn't MAKE Plumlee finish at the rim like a real big man. Lillard can't MAKE Meyers hit 3s or okay strong in the paint. Lillard has MADE Harkless better (which is why he plays better with starters). "
 
@Mediocre Man And the 2nd part ties it full circle to how you agreeing with Canzano's bullshit was, well, bullshit:

"When you have a 1-on-1, elite level scorer next to you (CJ), you're gonna get less assists. When you only have 1 player other than that he can shoot decently, you're gonna have less assists. When you have big men that play soft and don't finish in the paint, you're gonna get less assists.

Canzano (and anyone who agrees with him, for that matter) is an absolute idiot."
 
BonesJones said:
I explained this to you yesterday, and you had no response, and now you're saying I'm dismissing you?

Again: "Lillard can't MAKE Aminu hit 3s. Turner isn't a player than anyone can MAKE better. Lillard couldn't MAKE Plumlee finish at the rim like a real big man. Lillard can't MAKE Meyers hit 3s or okay strong in the paint. Lillard has MADE Harkless better (which is why he plays better with starters). "
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I never said you dismissed me. But you're naming a lot of players that he didn't make better. That's kinda the point
 
It just pisses me off that Dame-badgers never critically think about anything. It's always vague statements like "He doesn't make his teammates better".
 
BonesJones said:
Okay, but there's many other payers with stats just as similar, just seems ironic then, that you'd use Arenas as a comparison in a thread comparing Dame to Marbury while a big portion of the fanbase has been Dame bashing.
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You aren't making much sense in this thread. You're claiming Curry is a better comparison, but then you give a stat that shows he's closer to Marbury than Curry. You claim PER is flawed. You claim Arenas is a bad comparison because of off-court stuff, but then claim Arenas was a good player other than his attitude (seemingly defending Dame's statistical comparison).

Other than bad attitude and cursing, I don't see you bringing a lot to the discussion here, man.
 
BonesJones said:
@Mediocre Man And the 2nd part ties it full circle to how you agreeing with Canzano's bullshit was, well, bullshit:

"When you have a 1-on-1, elite level scorer next to you (CJ), you're gonna get less assists. When you only have 1 player other than that he can shoot decently, you're gonna have less assists. When you have big men that play soft and don't finish in the paint, you're gonna get less assists.

Canzano (and anyone who agrees with him, for that matter) is an absolute idiot."
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You'll get a personal attack warning, so you may want to edit that. Some day the rest of us will know as much about basketball as you
 
Mediocre Man said:
I never said you dismissed me. But you're naming a lot of players that he didn't make better. That's kinda the point
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Holy shit.

Lillard can't MAKE Aminu hit 3s. Turner isn't a player than anyone can MAKE better. Lillard couldn't MAKE Plumlee finish at the rim like a real big man. Lillard can't MAKE Meyers hit 3s or okay strong in the paint. Lillard has MADE Harkless better

He COULDN'T because of his teammates.
 
Mediocre Man said:
You'll get a personal attack warning, so you may want to edit that. Some day the rest of us will know as much about basketball as you
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Where did I directly attack you? Are you okay? I wouldn't want to hurt your feelings.
 
BonesJones said:
Holy shit.

Lillard can't MAKE Aminu hit 3s. Turner isn't a player than anyone can MAKE better. Lillard couldn't MAKE Plumlee finish at the rim like a real big man. Lillard can't MAKE Meyers hit 3s or okay strong in the paint. Lillard has MADE Harkless better

He COULDN'T because of his teammates.
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Great players make those type of players better.
 
If we're talking strictly basketball and not personality or likability then I think the Arenas and Marbury comparisons are probably pretty close. In some ways I kind of wish Damian was a shithead; in a twist, it'd probably make management's decisions about what to do with him a lot easier.
 
Ed O said:
You aren't making much sense in this thread. You're claiming Curry is a better comparison, but then you give a stat that shows he's closer to Marbury than Curry. You claim PER is flawed. You claim Arenas is a bad comparison because of off-court stuff, but then claim Arenas was a good player other than his attitude (seemingly defending Dame's statistical comparison).

Other than bad attitude and cursing, I don't see you bringing a lot to the discussion here, man.
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Do you people not pay attention?

I'm saying that Lillard compares as well to Curry as he does to Marbury.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Great players make those type of players better.
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How does a great player make Aminu, Meyers, or Turner hit their 3s?

How could a great player make Plumlee finish strong at the rim?

You blame Dame for his teammates deficiencies, but also regularly cry about how players like Meyers are complete trash.
 
BonesJones said:
How does a great player make Aminu, Meyers, or Turner hit their 3s?

How could a great player make Plumlee finish strong at the rim?

You blame Dame for his teammates deficiencies, but also regularly cry about how players like Meyers are complete trash.
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Cause they are great. I'm not a great player, so I have no idea
 
Mediocre Man said:
No way that's correct. Jordan would have pubched Leonard until he pulled his head out of his ass. Bird and Magic would have demanded it. Dame doesn't do that. Not a complaint
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Demanding a player to possess skills he doesn't have isn't going to make him possess those skills.

And we definitely don't need Dame punching people in the gave because they're not good players.
 
Mediocre Man said:
No way that's correct. Jordan would have pubched Leonard until he pulled his head out of his ass. Bird and Magic would have demanded it. Dame doesn't do that. Not a complaint
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I think they are more saying Meyers still wouldn't become good even if all that happened. You can lead a horse to water - blah blah.
 
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