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Natebishop3 said:
Here's the problem..... it feels more and more like Dame is running this team.

CJ is here because he's friends with Dame.

Stotts is here because Dame went to bat for him.

How much you want to bet that Melo is back because Dame wanted him back?

It feels like we bash on Neil but honestly, I think Dame went behind his back to keep Stotts and I don't think Neil is going to make any significant changes without Dame signing off. I think he made his bed and now we're all lying in it.
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That's a shit ton of conjecture based on zero evidence.
 
Freshtown said:
In 20+ years as a fan I’ve never, ever wanted them to lose.

But I’m now wondering if it’s the only way to a better future.

Two doors to go down:

1. Get somewhat back on track, maintain a decent record, earn a 5-8th seed, lose in the first round or, if we match up well with the opponent and dame goes supernova, win a round and lose in the second round.

2. Continue to disappoint. Lose to bad teams. Force Olsheys hand to fire stotts, trade cj, or all of the above.

Is it bad that for the first time ever I want to see number 2 happen?
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I don’t want the blazers to lose. But for you, you could think of it like an investment.
 
jlprk said:
which has Chicken Little fans terrified of change.
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Nas needs a new nickname..Chicken Little might not work though..and losing 20lbs from covid is terrifying change unless you're jiggling when you two step
 
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riverman said:
In my opinion tanking for any reason is an insult to the fanbase so yeah...it's bad to want them to lose as a fan. If Stotts doesn't have a winning record by midseason he may get fired but he's not making us miss shots for 7 minutes at a time....our shooters slumped badly last night...Dame has not been shooting very well in losses at all.....do you think trading Dame is the answer? I don't...I think reps is the answer for this roster and 7 games in....we're not close yet...I'd say most fans here don't like Stotts so you'll get alot of support here at S2 for firing the coach...just not from me...
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Maybe we should've stopped shooting 3s when we were cold and maybe we could've ran some plays to get something other than a 3. But we didn't.
 
riverman said:
very well said....I also will add that Terry Stotts will never lose his teams or make a volatile environment for franchise....there's more value in that than some will credit him for..it's why he and Dame are so close as coach and captain...they share trust
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Are you sure he hasn't lost this team? I mean, what would you define that as?
 
BonesJones said:
Are you sure he hasn't lost this team? I mean, what would you define that as?
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Yeah...having the support of the entire roster and front office is what I define as not losing a team...I think Stotts is well thought of by all his current players and former players....just saw a Dorrell Wright interview with Dame and they talked about it....Stotts is a guy that isn't volatile or tantrum throwing at all...even keeled. Like Carlisle or Spoelstra...they can handle the ups and downs..the only player I ever heard criticize him was Evan Turner..I"m big on loyalty and character. I think Terry is too. I haven't given up on this team or season yet...I think we'll be damned good as constructed in a few more weeks and shots will fall again
 
riverman said:
Yeah...having the support of the entire roster and front office is what I define as not losing a team...I think Stotts is well thought of by all his current players and former players....just saw a Dorrell Wright interview with Dame and they talked about it....Stotts is a guy that isn't volatile or tantrum throwing at all...even keeled. Like Carlisle or Spoelstra...they can handle the ups and downs..the only player I ever heard criticize him was Evan Turner..I"m big on loyalty and character. I think Terry is too. I haven't given up on this team or season yet...I think we'll be damned good as constructed in a few more weeks and shots will fall again
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carlisle..... won a championship.

Spoelstra...... won multiple championships.

Stotts....... hasn’t won anything.
 
Freshtown said:
In 20+ years as a fan I’ve never, ever wanted them to lose.

But I’m now wondering if it’s the only way to a better future.

Two doors to go down:

1. Get somewhat back on track, maintain a decent record, earn a 5-8th seed, lose in the first round or, if we match up well with the opponent and dame goes supernova, win a round and lose in the second round.

2. Continue to disappoint. Lose to bad teams. Force Olsheys hand to fire stotts, trade cj, or all of the above.

Is it bad that for the first time ever I want to see number 2 happen?
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Yes, it's bad.
 
Of course the players like Stotts. They are getting paid (CJ reminds us of that quite often) and Stotts lets them do whatever they want.

No accountability, little structure, and he will never criticize them.

#cake
 
riverman said:
I haven't given up on this team or season yet...I think we'll be damned good as constructed in a few more weeks and shots will fall again
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shots may "fall again", but that may exaggerate the margin for improvement

on 2-point shots, Portland shot 51.4% last season, but is down to 48.1% this season. But last season, Dame had a career year from two. Can he repeat? And last season, Blazers got 11 FGA's/game from Whiteside, and he shot 62%. Nurkic's career mark from two is under 50%, and his career high is 52%. It sure doesn't look like he'll be setting any new career standards any time soon. Roco is posting his 2nd highest career mark from two's so far, so maybe not much margin from improvement there. Jones is way down from his norm so he should bring his mark up quite a bit, unless of course he's simply a bad fit in the Stotts offense, which was always a legitimate concern. I'd say there isprobably be room for improvement from two point range; but maybe not as much as we hope

in terms of three's, Portland shot 37.7% last season (the best mark of the Dame CJ era), but is shooting 37.5% this season (the 2nd best mark of the Dame/CJ era). So, I'm not seeing a reason why these shots should start falling at a much higher rate. Dame should improve from his current 35% clip, and Roco will probably improve from 32% (although his career mark is only 35.5%). Jones is about at his average. But it's doubtful CJ will remain at 43%, or Trent will stay at 46.4%. And highly unlikely Melo will keep shooting 48% from three

all that's to say that 'shots not falling' doesn't appear to be a major issue for the Blazers. Nor does it seem to be an area with a lot of room for improvement. But I suppose it's possible. I think the Blazers have other issues. On offense, it's stagnation due to poor and inconsistent ball & player movement. On defense, the problems are too many to list
 
Natebishop3 said:
Of course Dame and CJ love him. He lets them do whatever the hell they want. Melo is in that category now too. He never holds them accountable for when they take horrible shots or don't pass the ball (or don't play defense.)
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True. It's also true that expecting Stotts to be fired while he has Dame's support is delusional.
 
I think this team has problems that go deeper than Terry Stotts.

I do think, if we're being completely honest, we have to start looking at Dame's role in this along with Olshey, Stotts, CJ, Nurk, etc.

As great a talent as he is, it's becoming apparent to me that building a contending team around a player like him might not be as easy as we think it should be.
 
PCmor7 said:
I think this team has problems that go deeper than Terry Stotts.

I do think, if we're being completely honest, we have to start looking at Dame's role in this along with Olshey, Stotts, CJ, Nurk, etc.

As great a talent as he is, it's becoming apparent to me that building a contending team around a player like him might not be as easy as we think it should be.
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I hate to say it, but Dame (as the best leader in the NBA) is allowing/enbabling he and CJ to shoot a ton, but not play much defense, are keeping a coach whose time has long passed, and not helping the team get better. Stagnation mode for far to long. And now Dame will be on the wrong side of 30.
 
PCmor7 said:
I think this team has problems that go deeper than Terry Stotts.

I do think, if we're being completely honest, we have to start looking at Dame's role in this along with Olshey, Stotts, CJ, Nurk, etc.

As great a talent as he is, it's becoming apparent to me that building a contending team around a player like him might not be as easy as we think it should be.
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No other small market teams have done it... It's not easy. At all.
 
Dame has a “wondering eye” for Miami

This ultimately is on Olshey. He simply did not do enough.
 
My fan instincts won't allow me to root against them, even though it probably would be the quicker path to getting out of this 20 year purgatory. Instead, I just find I largely ignore the team, which is sad. I rarely watching an entire game unless it's a close, well played contest or Dame or CJ's having a special game. There's nothing to learn by watching, it's the same everything and has been for years.

It's going to take an incredible stroke of luck for Dame to win a title with the Blazers if we stay status quo. Something like adding a Sabonis like overseas player or Little evolving into a top 5 forward. What other far-fetched possibilities are there? A draft pick where we're picking would probably take 3 years to get to transcending ability. Bargain bin free agents and trading for guys other teams no longer want hasn't worked in the 7 years Olshey has been using it as his prime team building tactic. I know many will say simply swap coaches. Just my opinion, but coaches don't make that big a difference in the NBA, save for the elite ones that would never come here. Replacing Olshey would be a start, but we'd need to replace him with someone significantly sharper. Even if they couldn't "land a star", getting a guy who better understands how to find skillsets that complement Dame/CJ could make a noticeable difference. Imagine hitting (no matter how big or small the move) on 3 out of every 4 transactions vs the 1 out of 3 or 2 out of 5 success rate of Olshey throughout his tenure. That could make a difference. But alas, if they actually landed a good GM, they'd probably see the Dame window has insurmountable and would probably start over anyway.
 
I don't think i've been this down about our team in years. Even last year, there was some semblance of hope while we had our shit record because we were without Nurk.

this is just snowballing. and i'm so tired of our coach's inability to do even the most basic thing. desperately need change.
 
PCmor7 said:
I think this team has problems that go deeper than Terry Stotts.

I do think, if we're being completely honest, we have to start looking at Dame's role in this along with Olshey, Stotts, CJ, Nurk, etc.

As great a talent as he is, it's becoming apparent to me that building a contending team around a player like him might not be as easy as we think it should be.
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Dame has been the biggest enabler for at least two years.

For better or worse, he could singlehandedly get Stotts and Olshey fired.


Could easily pull a Kobe; demand a trade even if he doesn’t actually want one.

but he’s content with the current pillars in place. At least he acknowledged we get smoked by upper echelon teams and something needs to change.

I think he’s just been in denial.
 
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