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bump for a good Wednesday morning read. Wow...I go away from the site for like 12 hours, and all hell breaks loose :)
w00t!

go blazers!
 
LOTBfan said:
Not that it will likely do anything, but I am going to start reporting these guys as I see them for being poor representatives of the site until either a) they ban me or b) the admin tells them to stop. Anyone who takes the attitude that they are going to exercise their moderating privileges by writing garbage that other moderators will have to come afterwards and clean up, don't deserve the title.

Statements of "I am a mod, I will do what I want" prove that they do not have the attitude or aptitude to be responsible for anything, and that rightly it should be stripped.

We shall see which happens first :)
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You won't be banned.

:cheers:
 
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Boob-No-More said:
Evidently the underage, clueless self-important "moderators" who are deliberately trolling and baiting posters in this forum have no clue at all that this was the EXACT kind of behavior that lead most of the members posting here to flee BBF and set up camp at SportsTwo. Deju Vu is right. I mean it's incredible that juvenile Laker "moderators" are once again deliberately trolling and baiting posters in the Blazer forum. One of them was even dumb enough to admit he was doing it on purpose, enjoyed it and planned to do it more often.

Well, as they say, those too stupid to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. They may think it's funny, but you certainly have to question both their intelligence and their motivation.

This forum is by FAR the only NBA team forum on SportsTwo that's worth a shit. All the other ones are irrelevant As I type this, there are 56 people viewing the Blazers forum. All 29 other NBA team forums on SportsTwo currently have a grand total of 10 combined viewers. That's right, the Blazers forum here is over 5 times more popular than all other team forums combined. So, is their motivation simple petty jealously that this forum is wildly popular while their own team's forum is a virtual ghost town? Or, are they actually dumb enough to think if they manage to destroy this forum they somehow "win"?

The site owners here are pretty laid back, but I have to wonder how they would feel if some of their moderators managed to destroy the one NBA team forum here that generates vastly more page views, and therefore, vastly more ad revenue, than all the other NBA team forums combined. Did they not learn anything from what happened at BBF? Did they really spend all the time, energy and money to set up this site and get it running, only to have a couple idiots they appointed as moderators chase away the members of the only NBA team forum here that's generating any revenue for them? If so, I have one thing to say: "The business model is broken".

BNM
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Where is Denny Crane when you need him?
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I think it's fucked up, too.

We have private forums for staff to discuss things. This is one of the major things being talked about now, about what these mods did. Generally they're good guys, but this is unacceptable.

For the record, we've already had one of our younger moderators quit because he was told one too many times that what mods do out here reflects on the site. He took a staff position at another site where the posters are (almost) all under 20 where he probably fits in better. But he still posts here.
 
anonymous gambler said:
I'd say the forum belongs to us as members- the location may change, but the same core of posters forms the blazer board community. I'm just happy to be a minor member!
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The difference I'm hoping we make at S2 is that it IS your forum, you make it what it is, and S2 is the sum of what all the posters contribute (not a hunk of iron that can serve WWW pages).
 
Moo2K4 said:
Why am I here? Because it's a public forum. Read that, PUBLIC FORUM. It's not cut off to only Blazer fans. I have just as much right to be in here as your or whoever the fuck else. Just because I'm a Lakers fan doesn't mean I don't have the right to step foot in a Blazers forum.
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If I may speak for others, it's not that you're not welcome in here, it's because of your unfortunate allegiance that you may have to tread more lightly than someone who supports another team. You also have to have a thicker skin. We don't like the Purple & Piss. Most of us believe Kobe is guilty. We've hated Phil Jackson since Chicago. We think Lamar Odom is a punk-ass bitch. If you were a D*llas fan and you went into a Redskins forum, you'd have to have the same attitude. It's all about situation awareness.

It's like the time I went to a wedding in Lahore, Pakistan. I didn't dress up as Captain America with my boombox blaring "God Bless the USA". I understood there were some cultural boundaries that needed to be crossed first. If you want to figure out how to do it well, talk to DaRizzle. I hate the guy because he challenges my preconceptions of L*ker fans--he's actually likeable, knowledgeable and funny...dammit.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Why is it our responsibility to prop up the other dead forums here on S2. If a team forum can't achieve critical mass with posts from their own fans, why should I even want to visit such a virtual wasteland, let alone spend time posting there where no one will read it.

The reason there a so many OT posts here is because their are so many posters here. We get more off topic posts than the other team forums get on topic posts. Don't try to blame us for the lack of traffic in the other NBA team forums. I come here to converse with other Blazers fans about the Blazers. That's the only reason I'm here. I have no desire to waste my time in any of the other team forums. I don't go trolling there. I don't even go lurking there. There's nothing in it for me and I feel no responsibility what-so-ever to drum up activity in forums that are of ZERO interest to me.

BNM
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Agreed 100%.

It's S2's job to make the other forums active, not posters' jobs.
 
J_Ray said:
Other forums are virtual wastelands b/c everything is being posted in one forum. If things were posted in the right forums, other people could go to other forums rather than just here. Also it's not trolling going to other forums, it's only trolling if you talk shit for no good reason. It's just ignorant to go on with this argument about going to other forums, because not all of you see that this is a sports site, not a Blazer site. There are always communities within sites, but the site is only great when all the communities come together to become one big forum.
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I love the idea of S2 being more active with other teams, but the reality is that right now it's not. If there were 29 other communities like ours, I think that would be great. However, I don't think the solution is us posting all over the forums.
 
Re: About my thread Lakers being Suspended

Toko said:
But why is "lately" only 4 years? why not go back 5, and then you have the pacers as "prone to be suspended"?

But then you won't be able to talk shit about the lakers, right?:tsktsk:

Btw, would you be kind enough to tell me where you got your data from?
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If you are going to try to know anything about prob and stats you should know this first; What happened to the Pacers and Pistons at the Palace brawl would be known as an anomaly, or an outlier. Those are things that can skew good sound research because of a single anomalous incident such as the brawl that resulted in the most suspensions in NBA history. To include that would be ridiculous as the true intent of the research is to look at incidents that resulted in a single suspension.

Going back to include the Knicks/Nuggets brawl would also be anomolous as several suspensions were meted out due to a brawl. The point being that a brawl is not indicative of dirty play. It could indicate that one team was able to bait another team or a team just flew off the handle and started swinging. I know that in the Detroit melee Ben Wallace was the instigator in a blow out. I am not sure about the Knicks/Nuggets melee.

But back to the Lakers. They have not been in a brawl, so the numbers associated with them are not skewed. They have demonstrated a history of commiting flagrant fouls. So the proper research is to compare the rate that the Lakers rack up flagrant fouls vs the other individual teams rates as well as the league's collective rate.

You also do not compare todays rates to the rates of 1977. In 1977 players policed the game themselves. There were more punches thrown back in the day and there was no such rule as flag 1 or 2.

Try staying with in the parameters and don't let outliers skew the results, just explain what the outliers are.
 
maxiep said:
I love the idea of S2 being more active with other teams, but the reality is that right now it's not. If there were 29 other communities like ours, I think that would be great. However, I don't think the solution is us posting all over the forums.
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I wish we had 29 other team forums like this.

One at a time.

Some people don't have the vision of what a site that big would be like.

In the meantime, one team at a time.
 
Re: About my thread Lakers being Suspended

Minstrel said:
Ideally. Of course, was this the ideal moment for it? We have tensions running rather high between Blazers and Lakers fans, yesterday and today. Tomorrow, I can clean that thread up and re-open it, if another moderators doesn't do it first.

Today, I'm a little beat from having to deal with flare-ups.
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And I have to add a big thank you! You have a way of saying things that makes people think but doesn't usually offend. Nice job Minstrel!
 
You guys are lucky Kevin Pritchard went to Kansas, therefore, you guys will have a soft spot in me ;) :P
 
Re: About my thread Lakers being Suspended

Nate Dogg said:
Does anyone have educated worthwhile analysis on the Lakers behavior on drawing these types of fouls. I'm getting tired of the team bashing. Why can't the Lakers organization take in the fact that their players are being viewed by the NBA for their actions and being suspended. Use your brains peeps and stop bashing one another like HS teenagers. Use your noogin.
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By the afternoon yesterday it hit me like deja vu all over again. I remember having to try and justify the "Jail Blazers" dumbass moves over and over again during those years. As a fan I tried to believe what I was saying when I defended them because we were winning and "that's all that matters"... but it got to the point where I was still a fan (of the jersey not the players) but was embarrassed to discuss it with people who weren't Blazer fans.

I don't even think I'd be that mad if we didn't see LA fans talk about how you used to be able to do that regularly back in the day because it was a "man's game". They seem to forget that back in the day the other team could and did retaliate physically as well. Doing it now, knowing that you can send in some scrub to take out a key player on the other team without any real consequences is just weak. It's like a schoolyard bully who will goes out and punches another kid and then runs behind the teacher for protection but continues to taunt. Yah, you da man. :yawn:
 
Boob-No-More said:
Because 80% of those participating in this site are fans of that one team.

Again why exactly do you think it's my duty (or the duty of any Blazers fan) to generate traffic in the other forums? I honestly don't care if there is ANY traffic in the other forums. And, if S2 dies because of it, I don't care.

The majority of the posters in the Blazers forum have migrated en mass from other sites on multiple occasions. If S2 isn't viable in the long run due to the lack if interest in the other team forums, we'll just move again. There is really nothing special about this particular site. It's just our latest home. The forum software is pretty much the same everywhere. What makes THIS forum special is the posters. Wherever they go, I go with them.

BNM
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And some of us paid membership fees to support this site... we don't owe S2 a damn thing.

Now back to my Blazers discussion in the Blazer forum which is generally the only place I post.
 
Denny Crane said:
I wish we had 29 other team forums like this.

One at a time.

Some people don't have the vision of what a site that big would be like.

In the meantime, one team at a time.
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Can you try to get the Nets forum back?
 
I don't know what happened last night other than what I read in this thread.

However, a couple points I'd like to make.

1) Not all Blazer fans are automatically hostile to other teams. Some of us even like seeing different viewpoints (even... no especially when they disagree). Laker fans tend to get it worst for previously explained reasons, even though I personally don't think it's a good reason to do so.
2) Some Blazer fans are hostile to anyone with a different opinion (Including other Blazer fans). I really wish we could get less of this in general.
3) More people need to be able to ignore posters who they don't like (either through willpower or the ignore feature. Whatever works). If you think someone is trolling or just not a reasonable poster the best way to deal with them is ignore it. People won't keep posting if they don't get replies.
4) I do think we should try and improve the community as a whole, as I think it improves our board as well. As such, I will personally try to post in other forums a bit more, even though I'm not exactly a heavy poster on this board anyways (I do a lot more reading than writing, it's my nature).

Also, regarding the new posts feature. I've long used this, but is it possible to suggest an improvement? I'd love it if I could view only new posts in the basketball forums for example, as I'm not interested in the other forums. Obviously, it's not hard to ignore the other posts, but it would be neat if I could filter them out automatically. Maybe this is already possible and I'm just ignorant on how?
 
bigbailes said:
do you seriously think you come in here with no bias? you show up with a big sig of bynum and the same in your avitar and some people in here immediatly think troll because of some of the other laker mods. and i'm sorry but you take your bias where ever you go. if i go to the laker forum, even if i'm trying to be on my best behavior, i'm still going into with a blazer fan's slant. no way around that. what you are saying is like listening to a news channel telling you they are giving you the news with no bias, impossible.
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I do come in here with no bias, so yes, I do seriously think that.

It's really ridiculous that you judge me based on my signature. I'm a Lakers fan and Bynum is one of my favorite players, so why not have him in my sig? But to judge me soley on that is asinine.

What if I were to change my sig to Greg Oden or Brandon Roy? Would I be more acceptable then? You should never judge a book by it's cover, and by judging me based on my sig, that's what you're doing.
 
maxiep said:
I love the idea of S2 being more active with other teams, but the reality is that right now it's not. If there were 29 other communities like ours, I think that would be great. However, I don't think the solution is us posting all over the forums.
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The idea is for the forum to be one big community, rather than individual groups, this isn't HS lol That's all I have left to say though.

And with March Madness approaching and Portland St. on the brink of making the tourney, make sure you visit our college forum! lol
 
I suggest this for all non-Blazers fans who come here (and, in fact, any Blazers fans who are new here): Don't view this forum as one entity. Don't think of it as a "forum" who is with you, against you, homers, alarmists, etc. See the forum as a collection of individual people who all happen to talk here and spend your time talking to the people you like and who interest you and avoid/ignore the people who are antagonistic or don't interest you.

Speaking for myself, I really like talking to fans of other teams. I could go to other team forums, but I don't generally have the time to be active in more forums than this one. However, I can't make anyone in this forum feel as I do (nor would that be a good thing, if I could). I, and many others, are here to talk civilly with fans of other teams. Various others aren't so friendly to fans of other teams. There's no "Blazer forum attitude." There are individual attitudes, and whichever people you focus on is going to dictate what you see the "attitude of the forum" to be.

Chat with people you like, ignore those you don't. I think it's a simple principle that leaves people the happiest.
 
Moo2K4 said:
I do come in here with no bias, so yes, I do seriously think that.

It's really ridiculous that you judge me based on my signature. I'm a Lakers fan and Bynum is one of my favorite players, so why not have him in my sig? But to judge me soley on that is asinine.

What if I were to change my sig to Greg Oden or Brandon Roy? Would I be more acceptable then? You should never judge a book by it's cover, and by judging me based on my sig, that's what you're doing.
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That would be a good start. :cheers:

And yes, you are being judged immediately by your sig. It's not fair because I've read your posts and you've never been a complete ass, but the same can't be said for your other homies. Just seeing that sig puts most Blazer fans into instant defense mode.
 
Moo2K4 said:
I do come in here with no bias, so yes, I do seriously think that.

It's really ridiculous that you judge me based on my signature. I'm a Lakers fan and Bynum is one of my favorite players, so why not have him in my sig? But to judge me soley on that is asinine.

What if I were to change my sig to Greg Oden or Brandon Roy? Would I be more acceptable then? You should never judge a book by it's cover, and by judging me based on my sig, that's what you're doing.
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But, the fact you live in Iowa, yet you're a L*kers fan AND have Andrew "Sam Bowie" Bynum in your sig already broadcasts a ton about you...none of it good.
 
J_Ray said:
The idea is for the forum to be one big community, rather than individual groups, this isn't HS lol That's all I have left to say though.

And with March Madness approaching and Portland St. on the brink of making the tourney, make sure you visit our college forum! lol
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But we are a big community. In fact, we're bigger here than anywhere else on S2. If there were other communities our size, I'd love to mix with them.
 
maxiep said:
But we are a big community. In fact, we're bigger here than anywhere else on S2. If there were other communities our size, I'd love to mix with them.
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I'm preaching for a complete forum unity full of [video=youtube;cewrR0niqIc] :cheers:
 
J_Ray said:
I never said I wanted to "drum up traffic", I'm the guy that wants the site to have more activity all around rather than have people just stay in their forums making tons of OT threads. But obviously some people don't understand the point of a sports forum if you are just going to use it as a Blazer forum. W/e I'm done trying to get a point through if people don't want to listen.
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I don't understand this point about going to other team's sites instead of posting OT here. If one poster here wants to mock Kidd to other posters who liked the idea of signing him, that's one thing. If someone goes over to the Nets board and says wow, kidd is washed up, he only had 1 assist last night, then that's a lot more likely to be viewed as trolling, and end up in a flame war. So why would you go to another team's site to make a generic criticism of a player? There's way more harm than good to come out of that. If a Blazer fan dislikes the Birdman, and wants to start a thread here saying god, that guy's a freak, it makes more sense to do it here, then going to another team's board and saying it. If a Lakers fan hated Brandon Roy, it makes more sense to complain on their site then to come here.
 
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