Is It Sink or Swim Time for Sharpe?

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SharpeScooterShooter said:
My mother is on her deathbed and keeps lying to the doctor. She has requested me to not visit her in her end days because i tell the doctors the truth. Weighing heavier that shit on me right now, but I'm not trying to take it out on everyone around me…..
We all must be better at controlling our emotions and not let our emotions affect other people negatively. @Strenuus
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Sorry you have to go through that..it's a tough thing to deal with. I had a last minute reconciliation with my dad on his deathbed and was grateful for it, but didn't expect it at all. Hope your mom comes around to show you the same love before passing! Just know that you are a good son. There's comfort in that at least.
 
When you watch these passes by Yang, does anyone not automatically think of Shaedon Sharp as being the recipient?
Average players become effective scorers as long as they fight hard to cut to the hoop.
It seems like Sharpe would be nearly unstoppable without tackling him while he's cutting or fouling him at the hoop.

 
blazerfan11 said:
Here's one of the graphs from that video.

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I guess that makes for far more exciting dunk highlights.

I'm not sure it really means anything in terms of being an effective basketball player.

I remember hearing years ago, maybe it started with LeBron or Wade or Kobe or such, but being advised to dunk less to save the wear and tear on their bodies. Especially as they get into their upper 20s.
 
blazerfan11 said:
When you watch these passes by Yang, does anyone not automatically think of Shaedon Sharp as being the recipient?
Average players become effective scorers as long as they fight hard to cut to the hoop.
It seems like Sharpe would be nearly unstoppable without tackling him while he's cutting or fouling him at the hoop.

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Well maybe with Grant starting over Sharpe we'll be able to see more minutes of YangSharpe playing together on second units.
 
blazerfan11 said:
When you watch these passes by Yang, does anyone not automatically think of Shaedon Sharp as being the recipient?
Average players become effective scorers as long as they fight hard to cut to the hoop.
It seems like Sharpe would be nearly unstoppable without tackling him while he's cutting or fouling him at the hoop.

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it would certainly minimize sharpe's issues with his handle if he received the ball with a head of steam and a bag of hesitation moves that he could pull out.
 
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e_blazer said:
Here’s an interesting take on Sharpe. This guy thinks Ant’s departure is going to lead to Shaedon growing into a star. His age 21 stats are pretty impressive.

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I appreciate the statistical analysis, but what's with the strawman that Blazers fans are all upset and up in arms they traded Ant? Ridiculous.
 
BBert said:
I appreciate the statistical analysis, but what's with the strawman that Blazers fans are all upset and up in arms they traded Ant? Ridiculous.
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I think this is an outside opinion girded by the 'fleece' takes around the jrue/ant deal. (remember when celtics fans caught up on ant tape overnight and declared him a certified hooper before they realized brad viewed him as a contract? good times)
 
I don’t think it’s sink or swim for Sharpe at all. He just turned 22 guys, with no college ball experience.

stop putting high expectations on these guys and then start to sour on them when they don’t meet your expectations.
 
BBert said:
I appreciate the statistical analysis, but what's with the strawman that Blazers fans are all upset and up in arms they traded Ant? Ridiculous.
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Well, I've been pretty aggressively attacked because I have wanted Ant traded.

Just sayin'...
 
Phatguysrule said:
Well, I've been pretty aggressively attacked because I have wanted Ant traded.

Just sayin'...
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Ha, I figured that was coming. So if he breaks out in year FOUR it's all because of Ant? Not because in year 2 he was injured and only played 32 games? I think for a player who never played college ball, he would have been on schedule at the beginning of last year instead of the end of the year. I expect him to continue to get better this year, regardless of who the point guard is, assuming that he is working on his game this summer, which it sounds like he is.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Well, I've been pretty aggressively attacked because I have wanted Ant traded.

Just sayin'...
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It's not that you want Ant traded, most the forum did.

It's this bizarre idea you post all over that young players are irreparably damaged if there is a veteran playing minutes in front of them.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
It's not that you want Ant traded, most the forum did.

It's this bizarre idea you post all over that young players are irreparably damaged if there is a veteran playing minutes in front of them.
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That's not the idea that I posted. The idea was specifically that Ant was specifically hurting Scoot and Sharpe while also hurting our chances at a better draft pick which has more potential to help us long term.

It had nothing to do with other players in the league or other team situations. Only this specific situation with these specific players.

That's why I'm not surprised with how "slowly" Scoot and Sharpe are developing. I fully expected them to develop this slowly if they were playing next to Ant.

And I won't be surprised if they both explode next season, or if it takes an even longer to develop that confidence.

There was nothing good or productive about playing them next to Ant.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Ha, I figured that was coming. So if he breaks out in year FOUR it's all because of Ant? Not because in year 2 he was injured and only played 32 games? I think for a player who never played college ball, he would have been on schedule at the beginning of last year instead of the end of the year. I expect him to continue to get better this year, regardless of who the point guard is, assuming that he is working on his game this summer, which it sounds like he is.
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I simply stated the fact that people were pissed about wanting Ant traded. I've had other people outside the forum tell me they were upset about Ant being traded as well.

Yes, I am certain both Simons and Sharpe would be much better and more valuable players right now if Ant had been traded 2 seasons ago and they had been given the team. Absolutely.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I simply stated the fact that people were pissed about wanting Ant traded. I've had other people outside the forum tell me they were upset about Ant being traded as well.

Yes, I am certain both Simons and Sharpe would be much better and more valuable players right now if Ant had been traded 2 seasons ago and they had been given the team. Absolutely.
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You mean the summer before Sharpe was injured and played only 32 games?
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I guess that makes for far more exciting dunk highlights.

I'm not sure it really means anything in terms of being an effective basketball player.

I remember hearing years ago, maybe it started with LeBron or Wade or Kobe or such, but being advised to dunk less to save the wear and tear on their bodies. Especially as they get into their upper 20s.
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the graph doesn't say "dunks" anywhere.

It's finishing percentage from 0-3 feet from the rim.

Sharpe's most ridiculous finishes aren't dunks at all.
There was one against Minnesota or San Antonio where he pump-faked from the left side of the hoop then somehow floated to the right side of the hoop for a reverse layup.
There was a layup during Scoot's summer league where Sharpe seemed to beyond the backboard and any shot from there seemed impossible, but it went in.
There was the game his rookie season where he went right at Gobert and was fouled on one occasion and layed it in on another with Gobert doing his best to defend the rim.
Sharpe makes some of the most impossible-looking, difficult non-dunk finishes of anyone in the NBA.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yes. That would have been great for Scoot that season and incredible for both Scoot and Sharpe the following season.
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The thread is about Sharpe, but Ok, let's talk about Scoot. That would have been his rookie year, when he missed 20 games because of injuries.

Confidence goes both ways. There were times that year when he looked promising, and there were times when he struggled big time. I mean, embarrassingly bad. Which is pretty typical for a rookie who is thrown into a role without being ready.

Starting him and playing him 30+ minutes that year may have helped, or it could have destroyed his confidence when he was playing badly. Bottom line is Chauncey did a pretty good job IMO bringing him along. Ant had nothing to do with it whatsoever.
 
KingSpeed said:
I believe some of his missed games, he was healthy but we were tanking.
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Yeah, they were probably being cautious at the end of the season. But that doesn't change the fact that he only played 32 games.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
The thread is about Sharpe, but Ok, let's talk about Scoot. That would have been his rookie year, when he missed 20 games because of injuries.

Confidence goes both ways. There were times that year when he looked promising, and there were times when he struggled big time. I mean, embarrassingly bad. Which is pretty typical for a rookie who is thrown into a role without being ready.

Starting him and playing him 30+ minutes that year may have helped, or it could have destroyed his confidence when he was playing badly. Bottom line is Chauncey did a pretty good job IMO bringing him along. Ant had nothing to do with it whatsoever.
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This conversation is about Sharpe, but you're attacking my position on trading Ant. My position includes Scoot.

I don't care how Scoot looked that season. There are guards all over the G-league that Scoot and Sharpe would have played well with.

It doesn't matter if they were successful. It matters that they get those minutes next to somebody other than a guard like Ant.
 
Phatguysrule said:
This conversation is about Sharpe, but you're attacking my position on trading Ant. My position includes Scoot.

I don't care how Scoot looked that season. There are guards all over the G-league that Scoot and Sharpe would have played well with.

It doesn't matter if they were successful. It matters that they get those minutes next to somebody other than a guard like Ant.
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Well, I can't argue with that logic.
 
If Sharpe or Scoot or any basketball player is so delicate they will be "damaged" playing next to someone like Ant - they have way bigger issues going on. Wasn't it Scoot's first game that Ant was injured for like 3 months? Scoot played like crap as a rookie and it had nothing to do with Ant.

Ant like all NBA players has strengths and weaknesses. His shooting was certainly a strength and that gives all the teammates more room to and ability to create offense themselves. Basketball is a team sport, players have to adapt to playing with all sorts of varieties of teammates. Totally fine to move on from Ant, Ayton, etc. But this idea that any of these guys are damaging any of our young player that would've been an allstar or such is beyond laughable.

You think Kobe or Jordan or such would've accepted being "damaged" by JR Rider or Nick Van Excel or such? No, these guys determine themselves what kind of player they'll become.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
If Sharpe or Scoot or any basketball player is so delicate they will be "damaged" playing next to someone like Ant - they have way bigger issues going on. Wasn't it Scoot's first game that Ant was injured for like 3 months? Scoot played like crap as a rookie and it had nothing to do with Ant.

Ant like all NBA players has strengths and weaknesses. His shooting was certainly a strength and that gives all the teammates more room to and ability to create offense themselves. Basketball is a team sport, players have to adapt to playing with all sorts of varieties of teammates. Totally fine to move on from Ant, Ayton, etc. But this idea that any of these guys are damaging any of our young player that would've been an allstar or such is beyond laughable.

You think Kobe or Jordan or such would've accepted being "damaged" by JR Rider or Nick Van Excel or such? No, these guys determine themselves what kind of player they'll become.
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You keep saying things I'm not saying. Never did I say they would be damaged. I said their development has been slowed.

The idea that who you play with can have an impact on how you play (and thereby your development) is not a novel concept.

If the physical tools are there and the skill is there (as it clearly is with both Scoot amd Sharpe) then any delay in development can likely be attributable to the situation.

Once again, I don't care how Scoot played as a rookie. I fully expected him to play like crap very often. That's what young players do.

I don't expect Scoot or Sharpe to be the next Jordan or Kobe. If your system requires that kind of player to be successful then I would suggest that you will not find much success unless you get incredibly lucky.
 
I just listened to today’s Locked On Blazers and Richman had Ben Golliver on. He seems to think that Scoot has the biggest burden to become the Blazers’ star player and that “that ship has sailed” for Shaedon. I wouldn’t agree.
 
SheedSoNasty said:
I just listened to today’s Locked On Blazers and Richman had Ben Golliver on. He seems to think that Scoot has the biggest burden to become the Blazers’ star player and that “that ship has sailed” for Shaedon. I wouldn’t agree.
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Is it that the ship has sailed on him becoming a star, or the pressure of becoming one?
 
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