Is it time to panic about CJ?

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Register Log in
yuyuza1 said:
Dismiss it all you want, but yes. And shooting off the dribble, and getting his own shot, etc etc.
Click to expand...
Yes, those are some of his strengths.
But looking at the big picture, his strengths don't outweigh his weaknesses. He's a good player, not a great player. We need an upgrade to take the next step as a franchise.
 
yuyuza1 said:
You're really not looking big picture.

I feel like people are getting clouded into what an SG should be by looking at Klay Thompson. CJ is not Klay. He has a completely different game and has strengths that Klay doesn't. Appreciate and value what he brings vs trying to turn him into something else.
Click to expand...
It’s not about comparing to Klay specifically, it’s about his fit on this team and if he is worth committing nearly 1/3 of salary cap to. CJ is obviously talented, it’s just that it will always be difficult for this team to go to the next level when they have such a small backcourt... not only is CJ undersized, but he is not a good defender either. Also, on offense he is at his best with the ball in his hands... it’s all about fit and using your resources wisely... I know it may be hard for many fans to understand because they fall in love with our players
 
tester551 said:
Yes, those are some of his strengths.
But looking at the big picture, his strengths don't outweigh his weaknesses. He's a good player, not a great player. We need an upgrade to take the next step as a franchise.
Click to expand...
There are other positions and skills that need addressing.

Gronk Brady said:
It’s not about comparing to Klay specifically, it’s about his fit on this team and if he is worth committing nearly 1/3 of salary cap to. CJ is obviously talented, it’s just that it’s will always be difficult for this team to go to the next level when they have such a small backcourt... not only is CJ undersized, but he is not a good defender either. Also, on offense he is at his best with the ball in his hands... it’s all about fit and using your resources wisely... I know it’s may be hard for many fans to understand because they fall in love with our players
Click to expand...
And what exactly do you want to get by trading CJ? I have no trouble moving him for the right piece. And don't mention the toxic malconent Jimmy Butler. You trade CJ for him-- he infects our locker room and leaves next year and you're left with nothing to show for supposedly our best tradeable asset in CJ.
 
yuyuza1 said:
CJ is an elite one on one scorer. We will need that skill throughout the season when Dame hits his annual slump or if we run into injuries. Have to look big picture. A top team needs to have multiple attacks, his game will come in handy soon enough once the league starts getting accustomed to our new personnel and the rules.
Click to expand...
HE IS NOT ELITE IN ONE ON ONE !!! His Career stats says he's below Average when he's creating his own shot! So please Stop to say that CJ is Elite in this Category, he never was except for one Season. The only Area CJ has been Elite in his Career is Catch&Shot, Unfortunately, only 32% of his shots in his Career has been Catch&Shot. I posted his stats in the Miami Heat Game Thread, you can read it
 
CJ will be CJ
 
Gronk Brady said:
It’s not about comparing to Klay specifically, it’s about his fit on this team and if he is worth committing nearly 1/3 of salary cap to. CJ is obviously talented, it’s just that it will always be difficult for this team to go to the next level when they have such a small backcourt... not only is CJ undersized, but he is not a good defender either. Also, on offense he is at his best with the ball in his hands... it’s all about fit and using your resources wisely... I know it may be hard for many fans to understand because they fall in love with our players
Click to expand...
i agree with much of your assessment, but Dame is going to have a say, no doubt about. And maybe the team should'nt consider Dame's thought about CJ as an asset? I think they should at this point o time.
 
CJ is a ball hog. He has always been a ball hog. That's great for CJ, but when you put him at point guard that means he's going to call his number first, second, third, and often times 4th before he passes to someone else.

Turner is playing significantly better this season, and so is our bench.

He's shooting 50% from the field on 8.4 attempts per game for 9.9 ppg. That's pretty close to what he was averaging during his best time in Boston. He's also averaging 4.5 assists, 5 rebounds, and 1.1 steals.

Most importantly he has a career high PER of 15.1 and TS% of 54.3. His asst% is the second best of his career at 26.2.

Basically, he's doing what we originally paid him to do, and our bench is thriving.
 
Labinot41 said:
The only Area CJ has been Elite in his Career is Catch&Shot, Unfortunately, only 32% of his shots in his Career has been Catch&Shot.
Click to expand...
This is precisely why I theorize that he might benefit from playing off-the ball as the primary scorer in the 2nd unit alongside primary-ballhandler Evan Turner. Dame/Stauskas/Layman in the starting unit, Curry/McCollum/Turner off the bench. I'd be interested to see how that might work.
 
CJ's asst% has progressively gotten worse every season since 2015-2016 when it was 21.6%.

It is currently 10.6% on a still very high usg% of 25.4%

(Evan Turner's usg% is 19.2
 
No. He's playing fine. His shooting is a little off, but not much. It will improve.
 
Natebishop3 said:
CJ's asst% has progressively gotten worse every season since 2015-2016 when it was 21.6%.

It is currently 10.6% on a still very high usg% of 25.4%

(Evan Turner's usg% is 19.2
Click to expand...

This is what happens when everyone tells a person how great they are.
 
tester551 said:
That matches what my eyes are seeing in-game.

The further the player is above the line, the better. Further below the line is a bad thing.

- Dame & Zach are by far our best players.
- Nick, Nurk, and ET are playing well. I've been pleasantly surprised with Nick & ET play.
- Aminu & CJ are hurting the team more than helping.

View attachment 23052
Click to expand...
I presume that's Harkless behind Turner?

If only Hark could stay healthy.
 
yuyuza1 said:
CJ is an elite one on one scorer. We will need that skill throughout the season when Dame hits his annual slump or if we run into injuries. Have to look big picture. A top team needs to have multiple attacks, his game will come in handy soon enough once the league starts getting accustomed to our new personnel and the rules.
Click to expand...
In particular, every team needs players who can get, and make, their own shot when the clock is winding down or the game is on the line. CJ is elite in that area.
 
BBert said:
In particular, every team needs players who can get, and make, their own shot when the clock is winding down or the game is on the line. CJ is elite in that area.
Click to expand...
I'm usually on the side of numbers and CJ's been on a downturn for a bit, but eye test tells me he's elite. Actual NBA players say he's elite (KD multiple times has said unprompted that CJ is one of the toughest guys to contain 1 on 1).
 
I think CJ is indeed a very good scorer, but I think his strengths aren't likely to shine in our system as it is currently. However, his usefulness will probably be more obvious in the playoffs, when defenses clamp down and players who can create their own shot are more valuable.

Y'know who could use him, I bet? Philly. But it seems like they're not prepared to give up on Fultz. Maybe if they caved on that and Thibs got fired, we could see this:

3dc6e771-552f-4fef-ad5c-37bac6b29107.png

Then hire an up-tempo coach to replace Thibs and have Minny play like the Westhead Nuggets.
 
tlongII said:
No. He's playing fine. His shooting is a little off, but not much. It will improve.
Click to expand...

Playing fine by what metric?

His ppg is below 20 for the first time since he became a full time starter.

He is shooting 40% from the field (worst of his career)

His 3p% is also the worst of his career.

He is averaging 2.3 assists, the lowest since he became a starter by far.

His FT% is the lowest it has been since he became a starter.

His steals are at .4 per game, the lowest since he became a starter.

He has a 13.5 PER, which is (you guessed it) the lowest since he became a starter.

His TS% is at a career low. 51.4%

His Asst% is the lowest it has been since his second year in the league.

His offensive winshares are the lowest since his rookie season.

His defensive winshares are at a career low.

The guy is having his worst season since he became a starter by pretty much any metric you can think of. He isn't shooting well, he isn't passing well, he isn't playing good defense, he is just having an all around bad season so far.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Playing fine by what metric?

His ppg is below 20 for the first time since he became a full time starter.

He is shooting 40% from the field (worst of his career)

His 3p% is also the worst of his career.

He is averaging 2.3 assists, the lowest since he became a starter by far.

His FT% is the lowest it has been since he became a starter.

His steals are at .4 per game, the lowest since he became a starter.

He has a 13.5 PER, which is (you guessed it) the lowest since he became a starter.

His TS% is at a career low. 51.4%

His Asst% is the lowest it has been since his second year in the league.

His offensive winshares are the lowest since his rookie season.

His defensive winshares are at a career low.

The guy is having his worst season since he became a starter by pretty much any metric you can think of. He isn't shooting well, he isn't passing well, he isn't playing good defense, he is just having an all around bad season so far.
Click to expand...
It's 8 games into the season, chill.
 
yuyuza1 said:
It's 8 games into the season, chill.
Click to expand...

Plus last season, specifically the last 30 or so games.

Chill though.

One thing that hasn’t been talked about much, his knees. What if he’s not healthy? What if he’s not getting the same lift he used to? I mean, at this point nothing can be ruled out.
 
yuyuza1 said:
It's 8 games into the season, chill.
Click to expand...

Tlong made a point and I was countering it. What does the number of games have to do with it? He said he's playing fine. He's clearly not playing fine.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

F
CJ taking it to another level
3 4 5
Replies
137
Views
6K
e_blazer
e_blazer
Sinobas
Lillard Time
3 4 5
Replies
136
Views
6K
Orion Bailey
Orion Bailey
Rastapopoulos
CJ must go!
2 3
Replies
87
Views
6K
BBert
BBert
mook
The shooting slump and the Blazers coming down to earth
Replies
21
Views
1K
BLAZER PROPHET
B
wizenheimer
Simons & CJ
Replies
17
Views
895
blazerkor
blazerkor

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top