Is it time to panic about CJ?

[illmatic99]

Plus last season, specifically the last 30 or so games.

Chill though.

He did fine in the playoffs last year putting up 25-4-2 on 52% FG and 42% from 3. We gonna ignore that stretch too?

Even after his ridiculous last game, Klay has been largely trash this year. CP is playing through quicksand, Kyrie has very similar numbers to CJ right now, etc etc. The season is 2 weeks old. No need to panic and make too much of a slump. If this stretch happened in March, we wouldn't even notice.

 

[BBert]

All that graphic tells me is we gotta a TON of white boys on this squad!

One out of three is not a ton, Son.

Maybe it seems that way because 4 of our 7 best players, based on that chart, are white.

 

[Natebishop3]

He did fine in the playoffs last year putting up 25-4-2 on 52% FG and 42% from 3. We gonna ignore that stretch too?

Even after his ridiculous last game, Klay has been largely trash this year. CP is playing through quicksand, Kyrie has very similar numbers to CJ right now, etc etc. The season is 2 weeks old. No need to panic and make too much of a slump. If this stretch happened in March, we wouldn't even notice.

None of that really matters. The roster has changed. the offense has changed. CJ hasn't adapted to it. Will he? I would say probably. He's a sharp guy. He has talent. But anyone who says that he is playing fine is just plain wrong.

 

[Hoopguru]

None of that really matters. The roster has changed. the offense has changed. CJ hasn't adapted to it. Will he? I would say probably. He's a sharp guy. He has talent. But anyone who says that he is playing fine is just plain wrong.

Last year when Dame had his kid he also had a bit of a slump, so now that CJ has a bride, well?
He'll get back to it!

 

[tlongII]

Playing fine by what metric?

His ppg is below 20 for the first time since he became a full time starter.

He is shooting 40% from the field (worst of his career)

His 3p% is also the worst of his career.

He is averaging 2.3 assists, the lowest since he became a starter by far.

His FT% is the lowest it has been since he became a starter.

His steals are at .4 per game, the lowest since he became a starter.

He has a 13.5 PER, which is (you guessed it) the lowest since he became a starter.

His TS% is at a career low. 51.4%

His Asst% is the lowest it has been since his second year in the league.

His offensive winshares are the lowest since his rookie season.

His defensive winshares are at a career low.

The guy is having his worst season since he became a starter by pretty much any metric you can think of. He isn't shooting well, he isn't passing well, he isn't playing good defense, he is just having an all around bad season so far.

The differences versus his career averages are not significant. FG % is probably the biggest difference, but it is 40% vs 45.3%.

3P% is 37% vs 40.7%

FT% is 81.3% vs 84%

APG is 2.3 vs 2.9

He is ahead of his career averages for points, rebounds, and blocks.

So his primary issue has been shooting percentage which is not that far off. I expect that his percentages will normalize during the year.

He's playing fine.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Playing fine by what metric?

His ppg is below 20 for the first time since he became a full time starter.

He is shooting 40% from the field (worst of his career)

His 3p% is also the worst of his career.

He is averaging 2.3 assists, the lowest since he became a starter by far.

His FT% is the lowest it has been since he became a starter.

His steals are at .4 per game, the lowest since he became a starter.

He has a 13.5 PER, which is (you guessed it) the lowest since he became a starter.

His TS% is at a career low. 51.4%

His Asst% is the lowest it has been since his second year in the league.

His offensive winshares are the lowest since his rookie season.

His defensive winshares are at a career low.

The guy is having his worst season since he became a starter by pretty much any metric you can think of. He isn't shooting well, he isn't passing well, he isn't playing good defense, he is just having an all around bad season so far.

But other then that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play?

 

[Natebishop3]

The differences versus his career averages are not significant. FG % is probably the biggest difference, but it is 40% vs 45.3%.

3P% is 37% vs 40.7%

FT% is 81.3% vs 84%

APG is 2.3 vs 2.9

He is ahead of his career averages for points, rebounds, and blocks.

So his primary issue has been shooting percentage which is not that far off. I expect that his percentages will normalize during the year.

He's playing fine.

I don't look at career averages because his first two years he barely played. I look at his averages since he became a full time starter, and compared to those averages he simply isn't playing well.

 

[Reep]

That matches what my eyes are seeing in-game.

The further the player is above the line, the better. Further below the line is a bad thing.

- Dame & Zach are by far our best players.
- Nick, Nurk, and ET are playing well. I've been pleasantly surprised with Nick & ET play.
- Aminu & CJ are hurting the team more than helping.

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ouch. That hurt. The eye test told me a bit, but wow on CJ's position.

 

[Pinwheel1]

It's 8 games into the season, chill.

I agree. We are 6-2 and scoring 119 points per game. Those are the most important stats on offense, and they don't mean much either at this point.

 

[Labinot41]

A guy in the German nba page just made this Fake News, i almost got a fucking Heart Attack haha

 

[Scalma]

A guy in the German nba page just made this Fake News, i almost got a fucking Heart Attack haha

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I’d hand Olshey a blank check for his extension if that happened.

 

[tester551]

A guy in the German nba page just made this Fake News, i almost got a fucking Heart Attack haha

LOL. You got me with it too. Since the image is so large, that is what I read first.

 

[CupWizier]

He's looking a bit lost this season. Is the new system no good for him? Was he padding his stats playing backup PG last year and now he's playing pretty much exclusively with Damian, is he being squeezed out?

Absolutely not. His minutes are down over 4 minutes from last year (many complained we need to reduce his and Dames minutes) and he is shooting 3 less shots a game which would account for much of the drop in scoring. The rest of the numbers are pretty much in line with last year. Should OKC be worried about Paul George as his shooting numbers are atrocious this year.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Absolutely not. His minutes are down over 4 minutes from last year (many complained we need to reduce his and Dames minutes) and he is shooting 3 less shots a game which would account for much of the drop in scoring. The rest of the numbers are pretty much in line with last year. Should OKC be worried about Paul George as his shooting numbers are atrocious this year.

It's not the raw numbers that are the issue, but the efficiency. 40% shooting, 37% from 3 (not bad, but low for him), and a PER of only 13.5. His advanced numbers across the board are by far his worst since he became a starter. Reduced minutes generally result in improved efficiency; CJ's done the opposite.

 

[blue9]

Huh - Aminu is our worst offensive player, and a net-zero defensive player? Who would thunk?

 

[Natebishop3]

Absolutely not. His minutes are down over 4 minutes from last year (many complained we need to reduce his and Dames minutes) and he is shooting 3 less shots a game which would account for much of the drop in scoring. The rest of the numbers are pretty much in line with last year. Should OKC be worried about Paul George as his shooting numbers are atrocious this year.

As Plat said, it's not just a drop in production. It's a drop in efficiency. Across the board. He's just playing worse.

Is it time to panic? No. But I just think people need to at least admit that he's not playing well.

 

[blue9]

his strengths don't outweigh his weaknesses. He's a good player, not a great player.

If his strengths didn't outweigh his weaknesses he wouldn't be a good player. He is a good player, and his strengths do outweigh his weaknesses. He is playing poorly now...but, this is the Blazers - someone is always playing poorly.

 

[Scalma]

Huh - Aminu is our worst offensive player, and a net-zero defensive player? Who would thunk?

Matches the eye. His defense has been surprisingly shit. Offensively he’s always been inconsistent so that isn’t a surprise. He’s done well on the boards though. I’d like him a lot more if he wasn’t starting over Collins.

 

[Labinot41]

Huh - Aminu is our worst offensive player, and a net-zero defensive player? Who would thunk?

We better draft a defensive Wing in Next years draft, since we have no Cap Space. Any good prospects? @BonesJones

 

[Natebishop3]

I agree. We are 6-2 and scoring 119 points per game. Those are the most important stats on offense, and they don't mean much either at this point.

But that's not really the topic of discussion. Yes, the team is playing very well, but that's in spite of CJ.

The topic at hand is whether we should panic, and no I don't think we should. As others have stated, it's only 8 games, but it's also important to recognize that something is wrong. He's not playing well. This is significantly worse production and efficiency compared to the last three seasons as a starter.

 

[blue9]

All that graphic tells me is we gotta a TON of white boys on this squad!

AND, they're largely our best players (so far). Weird.

 

[Stevenson]

CJ is a fine shooting guard, but nothing more. We give him way too much credit around here. Dame is special. CJ is simply what you should expect from a decent SG. That's all.

 

[beast blazer]

Ts% so far this year = .514. That's bad. His passing is bad. His defense is bad. He's making a truckload of money. Stauskas has been better than him this far. Heck, pretty much everyone has been better.

 

[tester551]

CJ is a fine shooting guard, but nothing more. We give him way too much credit around here. Dame is special. CJ is simply what you should expect from a decent SG. That's all.

Exactly! Couldn't have said it better myself.

If his strengths didn't outweigh his weaknesses he wouldn't be a good player. He is a good player, and his strengths do outweigh his weaknesses. He is playing poorly now...but, this is the Blazers - someone is always playing poorly.

Ok. What i meant was "His strengths don't outweigh his weakness enough to be considered a franchise cornerstone. He's a good player, not a great player."

For me, it's not even CJ's suprisingly poor start to the season. I've never been too fond of CJ's game.

Although, I do have to give him props for his D last night. There were 2-3 times I noticed him for making a smart/good play.

 

[Pinwheel1]

But that's not really the topic of discussion. Yes, the team is playing very well, but that's in spite of CJ.

The topic at hand is whether we should panic, and no I don't think we should. As others have stated, it's only 8 games, but it's also important to recognize that something is wrong. He's not playing well. This is significantly worse production and efficiency compared to the last three seasons as a starter.

I think it is the topic of discussion. Should we panic? The answer is no because it is only 8 games. And in half of those games, (Houston, Indiana, SA, and Orlando, CJ was a huge contributor. He played well.

So no, just like we should not be to happy at being 6-2 and scoring 119 pts per game, we should not panic because CJ has had 4 good games, 3 bad games., and one against the Lakers where he started off slow and came through in the 4th.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think it is the topic of discussion. Should we panic? The answer is no because it is only 8 games. And in half of those games, (Houston, Indiana, SA, and Orlando, CJ was a huge contributor. He played well.

So no, just like we should not be to happy at being 6-2 and scoring 119 pts per game, we should not panic because CJ has had 4 good games, 3 bad games., and one against the Lakers where he started off slow and came through in the 4th.

Can you panic about one player and not be worried about the rest of the team?

Let's say that this isn't just a short term slump, if his numbers stay low, he could be damn near untradable with his contract. He's eating up a ton of cap space right now while being paid like an All-Star.

 

[beast blazer]

The ability to score so many points doesn't necessarily mean you are "good". If you define goodness as contributing to team success.

 

[blue9]

The ability to score so many points doesn't necessarily mean you are "good". If you define goodness as contributing to team success.

Go on...

 

[beast blazer]

Will dumping cj be necessary to retain stauskas,layman,and baldwin? We could probably dump his salary for expirings.

 

[beast blazer]

Go on...

I think that if you're putting up a lot of shots but your ts% is worse than the team your on, you are probably dragging the team down with your performance. And scoring is all cj has ever had to hang his hat on.