OT Is LeBron James already the greatest of all time?

[jonnyboy]

If Lebron fucks the Warriors again, he will be my GOAT. How crazy would it be for a team as historically elite as the Warriors to get dicked over TWICE, almost single handedly, by one dude?

 

[Orion Bailey]

comes down to this. If you had MJ and LBJ comiong out in this draft, with what we know now... who would you take?

99% of GMs would take LBJ.

Ill always be in MJ's camp. He knocked off so many great teams it was ridiculous, but raw physique and efficiency as @PtldPlatypus pointed out, puts LBJ ahead of Jordan. And that fact that LBJ has generally been considered the underdog, where Jordan 's Bulls were almost always the favorites.

LBJ would actually stand a slight chance at playing defense on Shaq. MJ would get swatted like a fly.

 

[Minstrel]

If Chamberlain, Jordan, James and Abdul-Jabbar were all in this year's draft, knowing what we know now, who'd go first?

Tough call. I don't necessarily think era enters into this--players as gifted as Chamberlain and Abdul-Jabbar would dominate in any era, even a pace-and-space one.

 

[Cippy91]

Interesting--people point out that it took Lebron 33 more playoff games than Jordan to pass him in all-time playoff scoring, but nobody is pointing out that he did it in 118 fewer shot attempts (or 41 fewer possessions if you use factor in free throws).

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Everyone knows that Lebron is a better passer and rebounder than Jordan was, but it should also be pointed out that he's also a more efficient scorer.

look at 3 pointers made. That's one extra point, still counts as FG. Compare those two numbers and that stat doesn't seem as impressive

 

[PtldPlatypus]

look at 3 pointers made. That's one extra point, still counts as FG. Compare those two numbers and that stat doesn't seem as impressive

But if you look closer, for both Jordan and Lebron their points-per-shot on 3's (L: .987, J: .996) is actually less than their points-per-shot on 2's (L: 1.054, J: 1.008). The fact that Lebron's taken so many more 3's than Jordan actually hurts his efficiency.

To be precise: with the same 4379 shots and assuming the same .328 on 3's and .527 on 2's, if Lebron had only shot the same 446 3's that Jordan had, that would leave 3933 2pFGA, on which he would have 2074 2pFGM, which combined with the 172 3s made and 1444 FTM would translate into 6108 points, or 113 more than he currently has (not even factoring in the additional free throws that 525 more 2PA would undoubtedly result in).

Another way to look at it--if 525 of Lebron's 3PA had actually been 2's, he would have had to shoot .484 (40 points below his 2P%) on those additional 2PA to currently be below Jordan.

And all that is still on 118 fewer shots. To have scored fewer points on the same number of shots, taking the same number of 3's, Lebron would have to shoot below 40% on the additional 2's for his efficiency to be below Jordan's.

Yeah--comparing the 3's doesn't make that stat seem as impressive; it makes it more impressive.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Look, you guys are all idiots. You all know who the best basketball player of all time is. It's Lonzo Ball. I know that because his dad has said so, repeatedly. Geez, guys, pay attention.

 

[Cippy91]

But if you look closer, for both Jordan and Lebron their points-per-shot on 3's (L: .987, J: .996) is actually less than their points-per-shot on 2's (L: 1.054, J: 1.008). The fact that Lebron's taken so many more 3's than Jordan actually hurts his efficiency.

To be precise: with the same 4379 shots and assuming the same .328 on 3's and .527 on 2's, if Lebron had only shot the same 446 3's that Jordan had, that would leave 3933 2pFGA, on which he would have 2074 2pFGM, which combined with the 172 3s made and 1444 FTM would translate into 6108 points, or 113 more than he currently has (not even factoring in the additional free throws that 525 more 2PA would undoubtedly result in).

Another way to look at it--if 525 of Lebron's 3PA had actually been 2's, he would have had to shoot .484 (40 points below his 2P%) on those additional 2PA to currently be below Jordan.

And all that is still on 118 fewer shots. To have scored fewer points on the same number of shots, taking the same number of 3's, Lebron would have to shoot below 40% on the additional 2's for his efficiency to be below Jordan's.

Yeah--comparing the 3's doesn't make that stat seem as impressive; it makes it more impressive.

well fuck I can't argue with the numbers because I am not gonna go through all that and check lol.

I still take Jordan over Bron.

 

[Cippy91]

Look, you guys are all idiots. You all know who the best basketball player of all time is. It's Lonzo Ball. I know that because his dad has said so, repeatedly. Geez, guys, pay attention.

You thought lonzo was good?!?!? wait till Lamelo gets to the league...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

well fuck I can't argue with the numbers because I am not gonna go through all that and check lol.

I still take Jordan over Bron.

Nothing wrong with that; to each his own. Just had to support my side.

 

[riverman]

What team did Michael Jordan join to win his SIX rings?

BNM

The Wizards ......they made sure he didn't get a seventh

 

[KingSpeed]

The MJ can't guard Shaq argument is stupid. It's not like Shaq could guard MJ. And MJ swept Shaq's very talented Magic team. LeBron couldn't win with Shaq on his own team. MJ is the GOAT. LeBron is getting closer but the Dallas series is a major stain on his record.

 

[PDXFonz]

The MJ can't guard Shaq argument is stupid. It's not like Shaq could guard MJ. And MJ swept Shaq's very talented Magic team. LeBron couldn't win with Shaq on his own team. MJ is the GOAT. LeBron is getting closer but the Dallas series is a major stain on his record.

Lebron couldn't win with Shaq in his prime? Hogwash.

 

[Minstrel]

LeBron James vs. Michael Jordan won’t be decided by you
Only the next generation can properly judge.

 

[Five Second Violation]

When did Lebron surpass Kareem again?

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

In my opinion, MJ and Lebron are #1A and #1B.