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How can it be dying when a huge percentage of PC's still use Windows?

What would replace MS if it died? I'm damn sure not buying an Apple.

Windows 8 was a terrible idea though, I'll give them that. I don't know why they ever thought PC owners would want an interface like that.
 
Natebishop3 said:
How can it be dying when a huge percentage of PC's still use Windows?

What would replace MS if it died? I'm damn sure not buying an Apple.

Windows 8 was a terrible idea though, I'll give them that. I don't know why they ever thought PC owners would want an interface like that.
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Why are you damn sure not buying an apple?

They don't have tapatalk? :)
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Why are you damn sure not buying an apple?

They don't have tapatalk? :)
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Because I don't like the way Apple is setup. I don't like the interface at all. I also think an Apple computer is vastly over priced and completely inferior to whatever I can build for half the price. Not to mention the whole hipster factor.
 
PCs becoming less relevant. The operating systems becoming less relevant, too. What is relevant is the cloud, and a browser to connect to it.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/de...pc-sales-slide-2012-11-15?link=MW_latest_news

The big sales are phones and tablets (and laptops, they're portable), and M$ is a badly implemented "me too" player.

M$ blew it with Vista and then Windows 7 was nothing more than a Windows that worked pretty good. But it still was Windows.

I think they bet the farm on Windows 8. There used to be a day when Microsoft released a new Windows and it was the hottest thing. Today, it's Apple releasing a new phone or smaller tablet or OS.
 
Denny Crane said:
PCs becoming less relevant. The operating systems becoming less relevant, too. What is relevant is the cloud, and a browser to connect to it.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/de...pc-sales-slide-2012-11-15?link=MW_latest_news

The big sales are phones and tablets (and laptops, they're portable), and M$ is a badly implemented "me too" player.

M$ blew it with Vista and then Windows 7 was nothing more than a Windows that worked pretty good. But it still was Windows.

I think they bet the farm on Windows 8. There used to be a day when Microsoft released a new Windows and it was the hottest thing. Today, it's Apple releasing a new phone or smaller tablet or OS.
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I am willing to bet money that Apple dies before Microsoft. They're desperate with all these petty lawsuits. Samsung is kicking their ass in terms of product and quality. Steve Jobbs is dead and Apple will die with him, just like they did before. They're only surviving on name alone, and soon that will not be enough.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Because I don't like the way Apple is setup. I don't like the interface at all. I also think an Apple computer is vastly over priced and completely inferior to whatever I can build for half the price. Not to mention the whole hipster factor.
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Ah.

Apple hardware is overpriced for what you get. Except it's really slick in how it's packaged (tiny laptop, long battery life, etc.). And the software (OS) is brilliant.

So you trade the great software for blue screens and an OS that slows down the more you use it.

The macs aren't slow at all. I'll take a fast computer that is GOOD vs. one that's fast and cheap.

(good, fast, cheap, pick two).
 
Denny Crane said:
Ah.

Apple hardware is overpriced for what you get. Except it's really slick in how it's packaged (tiny laptop, long battery life, etc.). And the software (OS) is brilliant.

So you trade the great software for blue screens and an OS that slows down the more you use it.

The macs aren't slow at all. I'll take a fast computer that is GOOD vs. one that's fast and cheap.

(good, fast, cheap, pick two).
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You don't game Denny. You forgot "powerful" and Apple's are not powerful. I know every part of my computer because I built it. If you're just planning on surfing the web, you can use a Mac or whatever you like. If you want to shoot people in the head in HD, you have to run something with more power. There's nothing "cheap" about my computer, but the system was still infinitely less expensive than an inferior machine by Apple.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Because I don't like the way Apple is setup. I don't like the interface at all. I also think an Apple computer is vastly over priced and completely inferior to whatever I can build for half the price. Not to mention the whole hipster factor.
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I used to feel the same way and still feel like they are overpriced.

But I've had my apple laptop for over two year and haven't had one virus (my favorite part about apple). I also find the operating system to be be very intuitive.

I use microsoft at work and apple at home . . . I can go with either one.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I am willing to bet money that Apple dies before Microsoft. They're desperate with all these petty lawsuits. Samsung is kicking their ass in terms of product and quality. Steve Jobbs is dead and Apple will die with him, just like they did before. They're only surviving on name alone, and soon that will not be enough.
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Not really sure you can call any company with 120 billion dollars in the bank desperate.

Also, you sound like every fandroid on engadget.
 
Natebishop3 said:
You don't game Denny. You forgot "powerful" and Apple's are not powerful. I know every part of my computer because I built it. If you're just planning on surfing the web, you can use a Mac or whatever you like. If you want to shoot people in the head in HD, you have to run something with more power. There's nothing "cheap" about my computer, but the system was still infinitely less expensive than an inferior machine by Apple.
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My Mac is powerful. It's got a 6G/sec. SSD in it, 32G of RAM, and a 3.4GHz quad core I7 (hyperthreading).

It boots in about 5 seconds from power off. It launches any program I run within a couple of seconds. And I use it to develop software, which is heavy duty computing.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Not really sure you can call any company with 120 billion dollars in the bank desperate.

Also, you sound like every fandroid on engadget.
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The lawsuits say otherwise, and it's coming back to bite them in the ass.
 
Denny Crane said:
My Mac is powerful. It's got a 6G/sec. SSD in it, 32G of RAM, and a 3.4GHz quad core I7 (hyperthreading).

It boots in about 5 seconds from power off. It launches any program I run within a couple of seconds. And I use it to develop software, which is heavy duty computing.
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And how much did you pay? BTW what could you possibly need 32 gigs of ram for?
 
I'm not a fan of Microsoft or Apple. With Microsoft, IE completely blows (as any web developer will tell you), and Windows 8 is terribad. As for Apple, to be fair I've only owned an iPod and an iPhone, but iTunes is 100% awful, the iPod crashes on me at least once a week, and I refuse to get iOS 6 because I like having the Google Maps and Youtube apps. I also can't stand that any music you download is not an MP3, Apple has to have their own special format. In a nutshell, both companies are trying to gear their products to be closed-end and take over your life, which doesn't work for me.

For me, it's Linux time.
 
TehChad said:
I'm not a fan of Microsoft or Apple. With Microsoft, IE completely blows (as any web developer will tell you), and Windows 8 is terribad. As for Apple, to be fair I've only owned an iPod and an iPhone, but iTunes is 100% awful, the iPod crashes on me at least once a week, and I refuse to get iOS 6 because I like having the Google Maps and Youtube apps. I also can't stand that any music you download is not an MP3, Apple has to have their own special format. In a nutshell, both companies are trying to gear their products to be closed-end and take over your life, which doesn't work for me.

For me, it's Linux time.
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Oh, IE is stupid bad. I haven't used it in a long long time. I also think most people will skip Windows 8 and pick up whatever the next iteration is. I like Windows 7 though. I have it on my laptop and PC. I think it runs fine.
 
I've gone back and forth several times and am done with windows. I'm not some apple geek who talks about all the intricacies, I'm just a user who never has problems with apple yet all my pc's end up crashing or glitching. It's going to take something extraordinary to bring me back to windows.
 
OSX is a proper Unix. It's much easier to secure. My quad core CPU used two under Windows to constantly run a Virus checker and spyware scanner.

Before Windows 7, I ran Linux. It was the only real 64 bit OS out there. You could run Vista x64, but that was a debacle. 64 bits meant more than 3.2G of RAM could be used.

After Windows 7 came out, I switched for a while. It is still Windows. Fresh install and the computer seems really fast. The more I used it, the slower it got.

Then I reinstalled Ubuntu, put Windows in a VM, and my whole computer seemed about 10x faster. Windows booted up in 15 seconds in the VM. It was way faster. Seems it got a boost from Linux caching the disk for it.
 
PC users have been saying apple is dead since I had my first apple in 1988. I will admit that early 1994; apple almost died. But then they revolutionized mp3 players and the phone. They hold the highest marketshares of each. My apple kicks the shit out of any PC in the market. 4 quad core processors and a bitchin graphics card. And apple gets it with hardware. They design the entire system to give you the biggest bandwidth from every angle. PC's are a bunch of pimple faced geeks that think they can rebuild a mustang. Apple takes the mustang and turns it into a porsche. Just facts
 
Natebishop3 said:
I am willing to bet money that Apple dies before Microsoft. They're desperate with all these petty lawsuits. Samsung is kicking their ass in terms of product and quality. Steve Jobbs is dead and Apple will die with him, just like they did before. They're only surviving on name alone, and soon that will not be enough.
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Jury awards Apple more than $1B, finds Samsung infringed

After 21 hours of deliberation, a nine-person jury has sided with Apple on a majority of its patent infringement claims against Samsung Electronics. The jury also awarded Apple more than $1 billion in damages.

Apple had originally sought $2.75 billion in damages, and though it wasn't unanimous on all counts, the verdict was overwhelmingly in Apple's favor. Samsung, which asked for $421 million in its countersuit, did not receive a nickel. (Refer to jury document at the end of this story.)
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When you say "kicking ass"; do you mean by paying them 1 billion dollars for stealing their ideas?
 
I don't follow it, but I'm pretty sure a lot has happened since August.
 
44Thrilla said:
I don't follow it, but I'm pretty sure a lot has happened since August.
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Not much; there's an appeal in process. I bet nobody gets any money from anyone else, save for licensing of the patents, like Apple and HTC agreed to.

The funny thing about Apple is that Steve Jobs was the guy who wanted to go nuclear with the patent wars. Tim Cook would rather just license and be done with it. But the legal system has a lot of inertia going on, so they're still moving from one mode of attack to the other.

If you're a fan of the local tech economy, you might want to hope Apple keeps succeeding. There's at least three local companies benefitting from Apple's patronage right now.
 
magnifier661 said:



When you say "kicking ass"; do you mean by paying them 1 billion dollars for stealing their ideas?
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Seriously? Mags did you climb under a rock after the summer? Apple lost its lawsuit in England and had to post a public apology to Samsung on their website.

Samsung is also bending them over and jacking up the price on the processors that apple buys from them by 20%. Not very smart to piss off one of their principle parts manufacturers. Guess you iFans will be eating that extra cost.

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Natebishop3 said:
That's too bad. Should have made it 100% markup. Fuck apple.

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
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Yes yes, you hate Apple. But my father works for a company whose main client is Apple... can you not hate them too much until he can retire please? kthxbye. :D
 
Natebishop3 said:
That's too bad. Should have made it 100% markup. Fuck apple.

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I just don't get it. From either side. Why do you hate Apple? Why do apple fans hate Microsoft? I have my preference, but I just have never gotten the animosity between the groups.
 
I look at it like this (though I've since grown out of my own hatred for Microsoft): The big player is always looked at as kind of being the Yankees... and everybody except Yankees fans hate the Yankees. Nobody is indifferent. For a long while, that was Microsoft, and Apple partisans were vicious little anklebiters about it. Then, with the iDevices, Apple took the fore, and Android fans became vicious little anklebiters about it.

...now, Android is taking over, and are starting to act like Red Sox fans. They still hate Apple; it's kind of half of what has defined them. But now, they are definitely the big dog, and once again, you'll see Microsoft Windows 8 partisans being vicious little anklebiters about Android... the cycle continues forever. Your side is a collection of individualists and stylish folks with good taste while the other side are a bunch of mindless sheep doing what they're told by the man, whether the man is Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, or Verizon Dealers Pushing Android Phones To Get A Bigger Commission.

Microsoft might be waning, but they'll survive in various forms. Same with Apple; the bloom is off the rose, but they're not going to die any time soon. Diminish? Probably. Even the Jon Grubers of the world saw that coming. And Android will have its peak and slow decline too. Nobody can be so great that they can disrupt themselves multiple times and be on the forefront of technology. All things fade, shift, and change. And in general, we win.

Think about it: we have a tiny computer in our pockets that handles all the media and computing a full room of stuff did 20 years ago. For a 35-year-old like me who was raised on a VIC-20 and Commodore 64, the smartphone generation is literally the embodiment of a notebook full of pencilled dream schematics from 6th grade. We live in the future because these companies are so cutthroat with each other. Losing too many of them will be bad for us.

Fight, but don't die. Come back harder and stronger. That's the way of it.
 
I don't hate Microsoft. I have huge respect for what they've contributed to the industry.

There really is a choice. Pick two: good, fast, cheap. Microsoft chose fast & cheap. Apple chose fast & good.
 
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