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All life came from outer space(in relative to the big bang theory) and was formed from single cells or Amoebas and thereafter developed into various creatures including humans.
 
OK whoever(i cant remember cuz... i cant :/) said "god gives me faith" it's not god giving you faith, it's you having faith IN god, stupid. Why the hell would god give you faith so you could give it back to him?
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And why is god helping whores? Why doesn't he straighten civilization up? Why not just "smite"(something which never happens, even when people say he will smite me) paris hilton? why make a civilization that worships people that don't do anything?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Aug 7 2006, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>God gives me faith when I'm down and keeps me going.The whole idea of Christianity is to be a good person and if you do so will go to heavan and live eternally with God.That's what we believe in,I am Catholic and religion is important to me.The bible gives hope and teaches all kinds of lessons in life.I also believe Julius Cesar took some stories out of the bible cuz hes stupid but for the stories in the bible they are inspirational. Just because you don't believe in something don't talk it down like it means nothing. Especially if you don't even fully understand the christian religion.Dont be so ignorant playaofthegame. As for those things you listed as it wasnt god that...blah blah no sh*t god didnt beat GTA or God didnt hit no homeruns or make slam dunks etc.Where do you comeup with this stuff,people always say if there was a god there would be no murder,no stealing,no drunk drivers and things like that. God doesn't control people.God gave something called free-will to people that live in the world,that way he could see the good people from the bad and who goes to heaven and hell. Again,this is what I as a Catholic believe. If believing in a God is so silly,then why do millions of people everywhere believe in him? People need hope,faith and inspiration in their life and they get it from religion.I'm not talking about stupid terrorits that have blow themselves up for their religion they are idiot extremists.I'm talking about true believers that get hope from believing in God.</div>BINGO. only, christianity is not based on good deeds. Once you're in, you're in.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Aug 7 2006, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And why is god helping whores? Why doesn't he straighten civilization up? Why not just "smite"(something which never happens, even when people say he will smite me) paris hilton? why make a civilization that worships people that don't do anything?</div>Like lakaboy said, God gives people free-will.And the bible says that gold and riches will rust and go away, but the eternal treasure is in heaven. Basically, these horrible people are only gaining in wordly treasures, which will eventually wither away. Likely, these people will spend eternity in hell after dying, which more than makes up for the riches they've gained on earth.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Aug 7 2006, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>prove anything in the bible is true (if you're a christian)</div>You want proof? how about that about TWENTY different historical sources have proof that Jesus existed. They've found dinasour fossils that have been known to be killed instantly by a flood (see, Noah's ark). Just open your eyes and you can see all the miracles that happen everyday. Of course there is going to be evil in the world, but that's bc man was born naturally evil, and God gave man free-will.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Aug 7 2006, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>BINGO. only, christianity is not based on good deeds. Once you're in, you're in.Like lakaboy said, God gives people free-will.And the bible says that gold and riches will rust and go away, but the eternal treasure is in heaven. Basically, these horrible people are only gaining in wordly treasures, which will eventually wither away. Likely, these people will spend eternity in hell after dying, which more than makes up for the riches they've gained on earth.You want proof? how about that about TWENTY different historical sources have proof that Jesus existed. They've found dinasour fossils that have been known to be killed instantly by a flood (see, Noah's ark). Just open your eyes and you can see all the miracles that happen everyday. Of course there is going to be evil in the world, but that's bc man was born naturally evil, and God gave man free-will.</div>You mean LakersFan247 :happy0144:
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Snake Eyes @ Aug 7 2006, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am sort of in the middle ground on this. Do I believe there is a God? Yes I do. I think there was someone who created the earth and the heavens and whatnot but I too do believe that we don't have to do so many things to get into heaven. I believe as long as your a good person you get in. I can't see someone who is an atheist but donates to charity's, helps others, and is just a good person go to hell just because he didn't believe in God. This also would go for someone who does believe in God but may not have been batpized and they go to Hell eventhough they have lived a great life and never did anything bad? I just that as unfair.</div>Thats an interesting thought. Makes me think quite a bit.
 
I lost my faith in God when I noticed all the hideous things done to people, by people in the world. If God is almighty, and can do anything, why not just eliminate all that is wrong in the world? Is he testing humanity to see who is worthy of going to heaven? If he's almighty, why can't he just snap his fingers and find out who is worthy, as a matter of fact, why can't he just make everyone good and pure with no sin? Why create evil? If it's to make good seem better, why can't he just make good always seem good? He's almighty, he should be able to do that.BTW- The Old testament portrays God as a pretty scary dude. There were all the instances where he smote people and made them suffer, and he killed off humanity a few times, and at one point he sends a bear to visciously kill a group of boys that was teasing an old man about his baldness.
 
*deep breath* This is going to be hard.
what has "God" ever done for you?it wasnt "God" that dunked that ballit wasnt "God" that hit that homerunit wasnt "God" that beat Grand Theft Autoit wasnt "God" that gave you all the achievments in your lifethat was you
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So, what do you think? Did the "Big Bang" do that for you?
The whole idea of Christianity is to be a good person and if you do so will go to heavan and live eternally with God.
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Actually, that's wrong. Saying "if you're in, you're in" is a crude way to say it, but that's the basic idea. Where does it say you had to work to make your salvation? Seriously, how does your earthly Pope explain it?Moreover, how does he explain this: Ephesians 2:8-98: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
prove anything in the bible is true (if you're a christian)walking on water?seperating water?
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How do you prove that Abraham Lincoln lived and died? Did you live in his time period? Did you see him? No, so you rely on historical accounts, just as we do to know that Jesus existed. And, furthermore, how can you prove that the Bible is a book of lies. Say I can't prove anything, it's your burden to prove that the Bible is all lies. So prove it to me. Right here, just prove it to me. For that matter, prove to me that your history books aren't lying either.
what if there is no heaven or hell? that person wasted their life and they can't get it back
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What if there is, then you just wasted your life, and you'll never get it back.
I believe as long as your a good person you get in. I can't see someone who is an atheist but donates to charity's, helps others, and is just a good person go to hell just because he didn't believe in God. This also would go for someone who does believe in God but may not have been batpized and they go to Hell eventhough they have lived a great life and never did anything bad? I just that as unfair.
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Read the above verse. You don't get in through your good works. Anyway, think of it this way: If a basketball player refuses, to, say, shoot the proper way, despite the warnings of his coaches and fellow players, is it unfair that he doesn't make the team, because after all, he really believe in the way he was doing it. No, it's not. He ignored the advice of others, and did it his way. It's not how much you believe, it's what or who you believe in.
ever heard of the crusades?
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That was done by the Catholic church, which was not Christian then, and is not today. The Crusades were not justified in the Bible, you will not find a justification anywhere in the Bible.
the people who started christianity were the same ones who hanged people who didn't believe in their ways and thats what makes me sick...because even though they dont hang people anymore they threaten you by saying you're going to go to hell if you don't believe in what they have to say
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Where? Show me where? You challenged me to prove the Bible, saying it was a pack of lies. Show me, prove to me, that what you just said isn't a pack of lies. Show where someone says, with evidence to back it up, that Jesus hung people, that Paul (if you even know who he is), hung people. Just show me. As for your second part, about people "threatening" you about hell and all. How is that a threat? How much more of a threat is that, than, say, the used car salesman "threatening" you about how if you don't by the car you'll lose out big time? How it it a threat? Is it on par, with, say, the Muslims' way of persausion?
nazi propaganda "do what we say or face the concequences" that's what bothers me about religion
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Nazis saying God is on their side is ridiculous, because they were killing the Jews, and those were Gods' people. Jesus himself was a Jew, not an Aryan.
What did go do for you? He made you, he made your family he made the people. If there was no god you wouldn't be here.
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I find it strange you talk about God this way, yet say that Hitler is better than Bush, and killing Jews is OK. Wow, that was my longest post ever.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Aug 7 2006, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>my parents made me not Godthe sperm met the egg</div> :doh: :no3: Dont be dumb man you know what I mean, God even made your parents. He made the world man he gave you oxygen. Big Bang crap scientist made up who made the scientists God did and now they saying that bullsh**.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Dont be dumb man you know what I mean, God even made your parents. He made the world man he gave you oxygen. Big Bang crap scientist made up who made the scientists God did and now they saying that bullsh**.</div>Thanks for supplying reasons.
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You're being hypocritical, and you can't even supply any reasons.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You want proof? how about that about TWENTY different historical sources have proof that Jesus existed. They've found dinasour fossils that have been known to be killed instantly by a flood (see, Noah's ark).</div> Huh? Please explain this to me Dogma....How do dinosaurs dying by flash floods have to do with anything?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Aug 8 2006, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I lost my faith in God when I noticed all the hideous things done to people, by people in the world. If God is almighty, and can do anything, why not just eliminate all that is wrong in the world? Is he testing humanity to see who is worthy of going to heaven? If he's almighty, why can't he just snap his fingers and find out who is worthy, as a matter of fact, why can't he just make everyone good and pure with no sin? Why create evil? If it's to make good seem better, why can't he just make good always seem good? He's almighty, he should be able to do that.BTW- The Old testament portrays God as a pretty scary dude. There were all the instances where he smote people and made them suffer, and he killed off humanity a few times, and at one point he sends a bear to visciously kill a group of boys that was teasing an old man about his baldness.</div>i understand your doubt completely. I've even thought those exact thoughts before in my life. But evil was created by man (Adam and Eve). It's a bit puzzling why he allowed it to happen, and i'm still trying to figure that one out.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Aug 8 2006, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Huh? Please explain this to me Dogma....How do dinosaurs dying by flash floods have to do with anything?</div>Have you read the bible? Noah's ARk and the flood for 40 days? Is hard to explain how, but some like scientist guy came to our church and explained it.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Aug 8 2006, 12:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You mean LakersFan247 :happy0144:</div>oops. yeah, you got it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Have you read the bible? Noah's ARk and the flood for 40 days? Is hard to explain how, but some like scientist guy came to our church and explained it.</div> Many dinosaurs died in floods, there were lots of flooding over the millions of years dinosaurs roamed the earth...I don't see how dinosaurs dying in floods has to do with anything.
 
Without delving into theories of creationism or the Big Bang theory, I will say that I do not believe in a creator God. God is a delusion that was made up one day by a person. Then the person spread this story of God around, people added to the story and eventually the Bible was created (Old Testament)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Bible is God’s letter to humanity collected into 66 books written by 40 divinely inspired writers. These writers come from all walks of life (i.e., kings to fishermen) and spans over a period of 1,500 years or more.</div>It is really stupid to argue such things as 'who created [insert person/animal here] if there is no God?' The thing is, I can't answer that. Science doesn't even attempt answer that. The Big Bang theory is just that; a theory. Science is constantly proving itself wrong in the name of truth. Evolution has been proven with undisputable facts, every piece of life on the planet evolved on what could be seen as a 'slight uphill slope' over billions and billions of years. The fact that a lot of people want evolution taught side by side with creationism is insane.It must be so comforting for very religious people to go to church, where they are surrounded by many other delusioned people. After all, if lots of people have faith in the same God, he must exist, right? Not really. The Bible was written by man.People who take the Bible as literal truth have a problem with a little thing called freedom of thought. They are told they were created by a God since birth, grow up believing the things they are taught (after all, the child years are the ones where people absorb the most information), and then pass the tradition on to the next generation, following strict rules and generally being facist to a degree.Ever wonder why we label children with their parent's religion? If you go to a Jewish community, you see a lot of Jewish children running around playing. They are not given a true freedom of choice when it comes to religion and it sickens me.In closing, I'd like to say that religion is the root of all evil in the world and leads to restriction of free thought, extremists blowing themselves up for the cause of their 'God', and most of the wars around the world.Muslim extremists hate Jews, Christian extremists (or evangelists) will try to force you into their way of thinking, and Israel owns the USA. [edited]
 
I also think it's F*cked up how it is considered a good thing to be a 'God fearing man'. I'm not going to live my live afraid of a higher power that could smite me at any time. Sounds like a life of constant anxiety and worrying about going to Hell to me.
 
The "Kosher tax" is a canard or urban legend spread by American anti-Semitic organizations. It refers to the claim that food producers must pay an exorbitant amount to obtain the right to display a symbol on their products (usually a K or U in a circle) that indicates it is kosher or pareve, and that this cost is passed on to consumers through higher prices which constitute a "kosher tax".http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosher_tax
 
Good find. I saw something about it on a documentary questioning Anti-Sematism and it said something about how there are over 400 groups worldwide that do the Kosher process thing and that it equates to over $165 billion a year in the US. Also, many household cleaning (and other non-food)products have the Kosher symbol on them. Why? Try to ask the corporations, they won't tell you.When people question the Kosher Tax law, they are immediately labeled Anti-Semists.The documentary is called 'Understanding Anti-Semitism - Why Do Some People Dislike Jews (Excerpt)' if you want to try to find a torrent (that's how I got it)
 
I am a Christian and I'm not going to let any ignorant 13 or 14 year old try to steer me away from it. The facts are out there. There's evidence. The Arc, the fossils, it's there. You've got to be open minded towards it instead of being closed minded and think that you are perfect and you are never wrong. That's basically what you're acting like. I go to church every Sunday for 2 and a half hours and I go to Youth on Friday nights to play basketball in a friendly environment to have fun and try to better my ways of life. Iversonfan268 said it all.
 
I personally have no faith in a greater force at all, the world wasn't made in 7 days.If God makes people, why doesn't he stop wars and stuff, if he makes them why doesn't he make everyboy good instead of some good some bad...And really science proves a lot of what happens in the bible not to be miracles...My own theory, jesus didn't walk on water, Superman carried him in harry potter's invsibility cloak, thats how the bible sounds to me, liek a childrens book.Im not saying religion is BS, you can believe whatever you want, I don't give a sh*t, just as long as those bible bashing christians don't come to my door, rubbing it in my face, just like they did yesterday...So I politley said " Please...Just fuccckkkk offff !" and so they dispersed, just as I told them.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Aug 8 2006, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lutherans? lol</div>That's a religion that broke away from the Catholic church that has somewhat has the same beliefs but practices it differently.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>My own theory, jesus didn't walk on water, Superman carried him in harry potter's invsibility cloak.</div> Thats one of the funniest things i've ever read on BBW.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Aug 8 2006, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lutherans? lol</div>I dunno, but the woman near broke down with some of the profanity I used to tell her to go away, and shove her bible where even jesus wouldn't look.
 
I wonder how many of you would still believe if you were beaten to near death. Or someone you know(close, obviously) were raped then shot with a gun to the back of their head, like the Baseline Killer is doing down here in PHX. What does god want? a world full of sin, or not?
 
^ exactlyits suddenly different when something negative happens to someone rather than other peopleive seen a lot of people who realize everything in religion is lies after someone they know gets shot<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (amped3 @ Aug 8 2006, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am a Christian and I'm not going to let any ignorant 13 or 14 year old try to steer me away from it. The facts are out there. There's evidence. The Arc, the fossils, it's there. You've got to be open minded towards it instead of being closed minded and think that you are perfect and you are never wrong. That's basically what you're acting like. I go to church every Sunday for 2 and a half hours and I go to Youth on Friday nights to play basketball in a friendly environment to have fun and try to better my ways of life. Iversonfan268 said it all.</div>um im 17
 
[quote name='jonesboyz' post='134887' date='Aug 7 2006, 10:48 PM']All life came from outer space(in relative to the big bang theory) and was formed from single cells or Amoebas and thereafter developed into various creatures including humans.[/quote]Haha, no. I honestly don't think any scientist in their right mind thinks that life came from space.[quote name='Hang Eleven' post='135050' date='Aug 8 2006, 03:21 AM']Where does it say you had to work to make your salvation?[/quote]
James 221Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend. 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.
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[quote name='nba dogmatist' post='135199' date='Aug 8 2006, 12:09 PM']some like scientist guy came to our church and explained it.[/quote]OWNED![quote name='Nazr McWallace' post='135228' date='Aug 8 2006, 12:38 PM']God is a delusion that was made up one day by a person.[/quote]"Man, these waffles sure are good... oh man, I have this idea!" Right.[quote name='amped3' post='135251' date='Aug 8 2006, 01:09 PM']I am a Christian and I'm not going to let any ignorant 13 or 14 year old try to steer me away from it. The facts are out there. There's evidence. The Arc, the fossils, it's there. You've got to be open minded towards it instead of being closed minded and think that you are perfect and you are never wrong.[/quote]I have all this evidence to prove that the spaghetti monster god exists... I just forgot what the link is!Okay, for real. I wouldn't say I have a "side" here, but I honestly don't get the point of this "debate." What are we debating? The title implies that we are debating whether religion is BS or not. So far I have only seen people speak about evidence for or against things, citing opinion, and so on. Not only that, but mostly about one religion. Now, I don't really believe Christianity anymore, but to say it was just a cult that some guy thought up when he was sipping on some tea is simply absurd. To make such a claim shows how little one knows about the topic. In the same vein, it's stupid to think that God would make everyone perfect. That would defeat the point of a heaven, earth, hell seperation. All I'm saying is that the points made so far have been trivial and proved little either way.Spaghetti monster rules! :worthy: 🪨 fakeedit: Join the church of the flying spaghetti monster!!!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>James 221Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend. 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.</div>This is who a famous pastor explains the verse (if you care to read it, which you probably won't)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Justified by works: That is, in the sense in which James is maintaining that a man professing religion is to be justified by his works. He does not affirm that the ground of acceptance with God is that we keep the law, or are perfect; or that our good works make an atonement for our sins, and that it is on their account that we are pardoned; nor does he deny that it is necessary that a man should believe in order to be saved. In this sense he does not deny that men are justified by faith; and thus he does not contradict the doctrine of the apostle Paul. But he does teach that where there are no good works, or where there is not a holy life, there is no true religion; that that faith which is not productive of good works is of no value; that if a man has that faith only, it would be impossible that he could be regarded as justified, or could be saved; and that consequently, in that large sense, a man is justified by his works; that is, they are the evidence that he is a justified man, or is regarded and treated as righteous by his Maker.</div>So, basically, he's saying that good works are the natural accompaniment of salvation. They do not earn salvation, but it is good works that show you are truly saved.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Young Cus @ Aug 8 2006, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If God makes people, why doesn't he stop wars and stuff, if he makes them why doesn't he make everyboy good instead of some good some bad...</div>It's a test for God to see who should go to Heaven or Hell!Thats why there is Heaven and Hell, if you dont believe in that you dont believe in God.
 
Though I don't believe in a creator God, for all those that say 'why doesn't God just make everybody good?' or stop all the wars or some such other BS, I think you've forgotten that you're supposed to believe that he creates everybody with what is called a free will.And yes, I said you are SUPPOSED to believe that if you are religious. You are spoonfed everything you think you know about where we came from and you treat it as undisputable fact, which it is extremely disputable just as the scientific theories of where everything came from are.Life isn't about where everybody came from or where we're gonna go when we die. Life is about living in the now, and making the most of it. This is my last post in this thread, so I'll close by saying that all religion is BS. If you are religious, have you ever questioned your beliefs? That is probably the most spiritual thing you can possibly do.quickedit: I am agnostic and live by buddhist principles, in case anyone cares.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mixx @ Aug 9 2006, 05:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's a test for God to see who should go to Heaven or Hell!Thats why there is Heaven and Hell, if you dont believe in that you dont believe in God.</div>Yup!I don't believe in God and i don't believe in heaven and hell!I hope I go to "hell" when I die
 
Why and the hell would you want to live forever, for eternity in heaven? Honestly. What is the point of someone sitting in hell for eternity...I mean come on...Do mass murderers go to hell forever even though they might have been insane or had a mental problem? What about a kid who grew up with violence his whole life and got sucked in...does he rot in hell for having poor influences? Heaven and Hell makes no sense to me at all. It's just so stupid to me....
 
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