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Signed a 5 year 205 million deal.

I know he an elite rim protector but is he worth that investment for the next 4 years?

Im not sure he is, he better lead the Jazz to the promise land even without their starting pg.

last night, 11 points, 8 boards 1 block
 
he's a 3-time DPOY. He's not going to be paid less than a max deal. And just like the Blazers did with Dame, Utah rewarded him for service
 
wizenheimer said:
he's a 3-time DPOY. He's not going to be paid less than a max deal. And just like the Blazers did with Dame, Utah rewarded him for service
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But is he worth it? Would you have given him that contact? Not sure I would, and if I did, and he leaves Mitchell on and Island against the Clips?
Look what he did last night.
 
Hoopguru said:
But is he worth it? Would you have given him that contact? Not sure I would, and if I did, and he leaves Mitchell on and Island against the Clips?
Look what he did last night.
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it's a big contract but he's an elite talent. All-NBA for sure. I don't think Utah had much choice. He's the best player they've had since the Stockton era. Building around a C seems awkward in this modern NBA, but when you have one of the very best players in the league, and you're a small market team, you just about have to roll the dice and build around that player
 
Its fine for the next couple seasons but those last two years it will be a bad contract. If they didn't give it to him he possibly walks like Gordon Hayward so I'm not sure they had a good choice.

Also as a new owner you don't want to appear to be cheap or it could hurt player recruitment for decades.
 
wizenheimer said:
it's a big contract but he's an elite talent. All-NBA for sure. I don't think Utah had much choice. He's the best player they've had since the Stockton era. Building around a C seems awkward in this modern NBA, but when you have one of the very best players in the league, and you're a small market team, you just about have to roll the dice and build around that player
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agree, its that there are many ? contracts out there and a few for even all stars.
Question? if you your starting a team new team within cap who do you take, Rudy, Westbrick, Wall, Love or CJ knowing what they make per year now?
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Its fine for the next couple seasons but those last two years it will be a bad contract. If they didn't give it to him he possibly walks like Gordon Hayward so I'm not sure they had a good choice.

Also as a new owner you don't want to appear to be cheap or it could hurt player recruitment for decades.
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Yep, those last two years, crazy.
 
Hoopguru said:
agree, its that there are many ? contracts out there and a few for even all stars.
Question? if you your starting a team new team within cap who do you take, Rudy, Westbrick, Wall, Love or CJ knowing what they make per year now?
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Hoopguru said:
Id take CJ at his contract...
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if I had to take any of them it would be Gobert. At least I'd start with a player that can impact games dramatically. I sure wouldn't pay 33/M year for an undersized, no-defense SG with a selfish streak, average efficiency, and high usage
 
wizenheimer said:
if I had to take any of them it would be Gobert. At least I'd start with a player that can impact games dramatically. I sure wouldn't pay 33/M year for an undersized, no-defense SG with a selfish streak, average efficiency, and high usage
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You can get a decent 5 that blocks shots and protects the rim for a lot less than 41 million a year. He can prove me wrong this series if he gets them to the promise land. He didnt show up at all last night in 32 minutes.
 
Hoopguru said:
You can get a decent 5 that blocks shots and protects the rim for a lot less than 41 million a year. He can prove me wrong this series if he gets them to the promise land. He didnt show up at all last night in 32 minutes.
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you'd have a better chance of making that argument stick if you weren't trying to back door CJ into being a better deal
 
I was talking with a buddy from SLC before the series. They seem to think the Jazz are better without Conley. They like more minutes for Clarkson and prefer having Mitchell running the offense.

I would love to have Gobert on the Blazers, but I watched Jokic destroy Gobert earlier this year. You get Rudy away from the basket on defense and he is very average. I still think the Jazz will win this in 7 games (HC advantage) but the Clippers are 2-0 after going to a small ball starting lineup. Again it might be a coincidence and could be all about the home-court advantage, but very few centers nowadays are worth the max IMO. They need to be more than just a rim protector. (i.e Jokic and Embiid)
 
Hoopguru said:
But is he worth it? Would you have given him that contact? Not sure I would, and if I did, and he leaves Mitchell on and Island against the Clips?
Look what he did last night.
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No, he isn’t worth it, not even close in my opinion. That’s like giving Ben Wallace a max contract. (Who was a 4x DPOY and didn’t get a max contract.)

The only “traditional big” that should sniff a max contract would be Embiid, if he didn’t have health issues. Jokic is not a traditional big, in my opinion.

If I were the Jazz GM I would’ve traded Gobert (if I got decent offers) rather than pay him that amount.

Simply put, he just can’t impact the game enough to justify that much cap space.

It’s also why I wouldn’t pay Simmons an absurd amount. If you can’t shoot, that’s a real big problem. And gobert can’t do shit on offense and a small ball lineup can render him almost ineffective.

reminds me of when the suns put Nash on Batum and he couldn’t take advantage of it.
 
Hoopguru said:
agree, its that there are many ? contracts out there and a few for even all stars.
Question? if you your starting a team new team within cap who do you take, Rudy, Westbrick, Wall, Love or CJ knowing what they make per year now?
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Out of those options, Westbrook.
He did play in the NBA finals at least.
 
Hoopguru said:
Signed a 5 year 205 million deal.

I know he an elite rim protector but is he worth that investment for the next 4 years?

Im not sure he is, he better lead the Jazz to the promise land even without their starting pg.

last night, 11 points, 8 boards 1 block
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everyone is talking about his contract here, but the thread is clearly about his aggressiveness and his “contact”…?
 
Normally, I would not pay it to him. But I also think that they have no real other option (I don't think that they get much better with a trade).
 
The 200 million dollar man was a -24 last night. Love to have him on the Blazers for about 15 million per season. But certainly not 40 million.
The guy couldn't even hold on to the ball last night.

Someone sent me an article that said Mann scored 30 0f his 39 points with Gobert as the primary defender. That is bad coaching though.
 
LenPa said:
Normally, I would not pay it to him. But I also think that they have no real other option (I don't think that they get much better with a trade).
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Their new GM came in and gave him 41 million per year for 5.
 
Hoopguru said:
Their new GM came in and gave him 41 million per year for 5.
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You are right that this is too much money (and to be honest I would also think about it 10times before I give him such a contract). But on the other hand I do not think that they would get an adequate compensation if they let him go (I doubt that some of the better players would go to Utah and then you have to start some kind of a rebuild if you trade him and you become irrelevant again).

At least I'm a little bit torn between both options in such a case.
 
LenPa said:
You are right that this is too much money (and to be honest I would also think about it 10times before I give him such a contract). But on the other hand I do not think that they would get an adequate compensation if they let him go (I doubt that some of the better players would go to Utah and then you have to start some kind of a rebuild if you trade him and you become irrelevant again).

At least I'm a little bit torn between both options in such a case.
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No I get it, having him on the team from a marketing standpoint is prop just as important as what he contributes on the court.
With small ball being the trend and guys like Batum playing center and drawing him away from the rim is his demise. Clipper's out coached the Jazz with this.
 
Hoopguru said:
No I get it, having him on the team from a marketing standpoint is prop just as important as what he contributes on the court.
With small ball being the trend and guys like Batum playing center and drawing him away from the rim is his demise. Clipper's out coached the Jazz with this.
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Absolutely true. I agree.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
If Shaq or Hakeem came into the NBA today I'm not sure they'd even be a starter.

The game is now all 3 pointers and scoring 140ppg.
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Young Shaq was so athletic that he could legit defend the perimeter.

Hakeem was also very very quick. I think he could have actually be an exceptional big in the current NBA.

The funny thing, to me, is that Jokic is basically Sabonis without Sabas' defense.
 
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