Is Scoot a better SG than PG?

[wizenheimer]

sure seems like it.

seems like he's a much better scorer when he's not responsible for running the offense. And next season, with Dame, Deni, and Jrue there may not be much need for him to run the offense

maybe he can grow into some PG skills. CJ did. But right now it may be best if he wasn't tasked with being a PG

 

[blazerfan11]

sure seems like it.

seems like he's a much better scorer when he's not responsible for running the offense. And next season, with Dame, Deni, and Jrue there may not be much need for him to run the offense

maybe he can grow into some PG skills. CJ did. But right now it may be best if he wasn't tasked with being a PG

Yes. If the Blazers have a consistent, efficient scorer who can handle the ball we want them looking to score first anyway.

 

[Pinwheel1]

sure seems like it.

seems like he's a much better scorer when he's not responsible for running the offense. And next season, with Dame, Deni, and Jrue there may not be much need for him to run the offense

maybe he can grow into some PG skills. CJ did. But right now it may be best if he wasn't tasked with being a PG

I love this. Scoot playing next to those guys was a huge concern for most of us, to the point that it made sense to trade him.
Scoot may only be 6'4 in shoes, but he has a 6'9" wingspan and is strong, which leads one to believe he can guard SGs if need be.
So when Deni is on the floor, the Blazers should be able to play a variety of guards. (Scoot, Shae, Dame, Jrue)

 

[wizenheimer]

Yes.

an answer I never got from my dates in college

 

[wizenheimer]

I love this. Scoot playing next to those guys was a huge concern for most of us, to the point that it made sense to trade him.
Scoot may only be 6'4 in shoes, but he has a 6'9" wingspan and is strong, which leads one to believe he can guard SGs if need be.
So when Deni is on the floor, the Blazers should be able to play a variety of guards. (Scoot, Shae, Dame, Jrue)

I said this in another thread, but maybe, instead of thinking about Scoot as poor man's Derrck Rose or Westbrook it should be hoping for a rich man's Marcus Smart or Luguenz Dort. He has similar physicality and seems to be learning how to stay in front of his man

 

[HailBlazers]

 

[Natebishop3]

sure seems like it.

seems like he's a much better scorer when he's not responsible for running the offense. And next season, with Dame, Deni, and Jrue there may not be much need for him to run the offense

maybe he can grow into some PG skills. CJ did. But right now it may be best if he wasn't tasked with being a PG

I think he has plenty of PG skills. I think he still makes silly mistakes but he has the vision and the will to pass. That was something that CJ never had. I don't agree that they compare at all. CJ was a pure scorer, through and through.

I think Scoot wants to be a playmaker. I think the game is still too fast for him as a point guard and it's easier if they just ask him to score and not try to be a playmaker.

 

[Everything Beagle]

Scoring (and defense) is easier to refine than playmaking. Playmaking also requires other shooters and lots of repetition with them. When better shooters are out there for us (Dame?) we will probably see Scoot get those big assist numbers.

 

[blazerfan11]

I said this in another thread, but maybe, instead of thinking about Scoot as poor man's Derrck Rose or Westbrook it should be hoping for a rich man's Marcus Smart or Luguenz Dort. He has similar physicality and seems to be learning how to stay in front of his man

I also thought of Lu Dort. A rich-man's Lu Dort is means having another two-way player that fits long-term with Avdija.

 

[blazerfan11]

Scoring (and defense) is easier to refine than playmaking. Playmaking also requires other shooters and lots of repetition with them. When better shooters are out there for us (Dame?) we will probably see Scoot get those big assist numbers.

Scoot has made a ton of very good passes to the corners to open shooters.

However, with Deni collapsing the defense and being a more than willing and capable passer, what the team really needs is a really good shooting guard.

 

[blazerfan11]

I think he has plenty of PG skills. I think he still makes silly mistakes but he has the vision and the will to pass. That was something that CJ never had. I don't agree that they compare at all. CJ was a pure scorer, through and through.

I think Scoot wants to be a playmaker. I think the game is still too fast for him as a point guard and it's easier if they just ask him to score and not try to be a playmaker.

Well, the Blazers actually need him to be a scorer. It's not just about his playmaking.

There's no point in having a great passer if he's passing to lesser shooters than himself.

That's one of the frustrating things about the Blazers this season. Kris Murray should be passing to Scoot, not the other way around.

 

[wizenheimer]

I think he has plenty of PG skills. I think he still makes silly mistakes but he has the vision and the will to pass. That was something that CJ never had. I don't agree that they compare at all. CJ was a pure scorer, through and through.

I think Scoot wants to be a playmaker. I think the game is still too fast for him as a point guard and it's easier if they just ask him to score and not try to be a playmaker.

seems like your agreeing with me. Even though you claim he has plenty of PG skills, you're also admitting he hasn't established those skills yet. By establish I mean results

1st 3 seasons, assist/turnover ratio:

Tyrese Maxey 3.60
Deron Williams 2.93
Brunson 2.81
Derrick White 2.73
Derrick Rose 2.30
Marcus Smart 2.30
Dame 2.27
Jrue Holiday 2.16
Stephon Castle 2.12 (2 seasons)
John Wall 2.05
Westbrook 2.05
Amen Thompson 2.03
Doncic 1.95
Cade Cunningham 1.93
Jamal Murray 1.83
Scoot 1.69
CJ 1.66
Donovan Mitchell 1.47

his ball security just isn't good enough for a full time PG. Right now everybody is giddy about his performance in the 2 playoff games but he didn't run the offense at all. He has 3 assists and 5 turnovers in 2 games. Clingan has 3 assists and 1 turnover

 

[blazerfan11]

Excepting Robert Williams III, in the first two games of the playoffs, Scoot is #1 in FG%, #1 in True Shooting%, #1 in 3-point %, and #2 in free-throw attempts and makes per game.
Most of the rest of the team is shooting/scoring so poorly that Scoot should probably be getting more shots.

Jrue Holiday actually has more shot attempts per game than Scoot and less than half the effectiveness.

 

[Everything Beagle]

Jrue has had some trouble since his last injury

 

[Natebishop3]

seems like your agreeing with me. Even though you claim he has plenty of PG skills, you're also admitting he hasn't established those skills yet. By establish I mean results

1st 3 seasons, assist/turnover ratio:

Tyrese Maxey 3.60
Deron Williams 2.93
Brunson 2.81
Derrick White 2.73
Derrick Rose 2.30
Marcus Smart 2.30
Dame 2.27
Jrue Holiday 2.16
Stephon Castle 2.12 (2 seasons)
John Wall 2.05
Westbrook 2.05
Amen Thompson 2.03
Doncic 1.95
Cade Cunningham 1.93
Jamal Murray 1.83
Scoot 1.69
CJ 1.66
Donovan Mitchell 1.47

his ball security just isn't good enough for a full time PG. Right now everybody is giddy about his performance in the 2 playoff games but he didn't run the offense at all. He has 3 assists and 5 turnovers in 2 games. Clingan has 3 assists and 1 turnover

He's a gifted passer. That's a skill that I think he has already polished. He can make passes that a lot of other point guards can't make.

He's a willing passer. That's also something that unfortunately doesn't seem to be common in shorter guards.

He has good playmaking vision. He sees passes that a lot of other point guards maybe wouldn't see.

The two skills that he has been missing are 1) experience and 2) patience. Those two skills are very commonly missing in young point guards. Those two skills can negate all the other skills. There are innate skills and there are trained skills. I think his vision and willingness to pass are innate. I think his lack of patience and decision making is what needs a lot of work, and usually those things come with age.

 

[Phatguysrule]

sure seems like it.

seems like he's a much better scorer when he's not responsible for running the offense. And next season, with Dame, Deni, and Jrue there may not be much need for him to run the offense

maybe he can grow into some PG skills. CJ did. But right now it may be best if he wasn't tasked with being a PG

He's a very good point guard as well.

But It is difficult to balance scoring while also distributing. Especially if your team can't make shots...

 

[Hoopguru]

an answer I never got from my dates in college

what was it you were doing wrong? talking numbers?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Sometimes being labeled a combo guard means you are not a good enough PG. But I think in this case, Jrue, Scoot, and Dame are all good ball handlers and good shooters. But with Deni on the floor, the shooting part becomes more important. But having 3 ball handlers in the game at the same time is always a plus.

Shae is probably more of a traditional SG (With mad hops)

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Sometimes being labeled a combo guard means you are not a good enough PG. But I think in this case, Jrue, Scoot, and Dame are all good ball handlers and good shooters. But with Deni on the floor, the shooting part becomes more important. But having 3 ball handlers in the game at the same time is always a plus.

Shae is probably more of a traditional SG (With mad hops)

Yeah agreed I don't think on offense it matters if you have one or two of those guys at a time. They can all carry a ball up if theres pressure. All of them can shoot. If there is talent at the other positions offense will be good.

The issue is with two of them is how does your defense function? Hopefully since Jrue/Scoot are both good defenders its better than any of the DameCJAnt lineups - but still the length of a Camara type at SG isn't something those lineups will ever have.

 

[KingSpeed]

Excepting Robert Williams III, in the first two games of the playoffs, Scoot is #1 in FG%, #1 in True Shooting%, #1 in 3-point %, and #2 in free-throw attempts and makes per game.
Most of the rest of the team is shooting/scoring so poorly that Scoot should probably be getting more shots.

Jrue Holiday actually has more shot attempts per game than Scoot and less than half the effectiveness.



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