Is the Dame trade return a haul?

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Dame trade return a haul?

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In answer to the question, how much did we get for the last 3 franchise players we lost?oh that's right--we got fucking ZILCH to show for the losses of Roy, Oden and Aldridge.

So my expectations weren't that high. Best case scenario is that Miami gives a little reach around while plundering our holiest of holies.

Cronin did not bend over, though, and just this one time Charlie Brown got to kick the ball.

A young center and a stash of Christmas presents we'll be unwrapping until 2030! Woohoo!

What is this sensation I'm experiencing? Is there a Blazers term for "not...disappointed...?" If there is, I'm experiencing that!
 
BonesJones said:
It's solid. About as good as I could've hoped for. I don't know about "haul" though. What constitutes a haul?
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On this site.....if you like the GM and what he does, it's a haul. If you don't....
If you felt Dame was aging and his value was starting to diminish (for many reasons including his own actions), it's a haul. If you don't....

Semnatics. I love what Cronin has done. The team is young, with good character/hard working players. Arrow is way up.

I would much rather watch big potential youth with something to prove, than a fairly set team, restricted by financials/contracts....with an early playoff exit ceiling.
 
The haul

1) Lillard & his agent and the Heat tried to sabotage the Dame trade request.

>result; a firestorm of angry Blazer fans yelling at Miami and Damian for 3 months straight.

2) Woj and others in media go on air multiple times weekly to describe Lillard as too old, vastly overpaid, always injured, and difficult player to trade. Oh... and Herro sucks.

>result; Portland is a Lillard headline viral NBA team.

3) Lillard gets traded for popular Bucks All-Star Jrue Holiday.

>result; Blazers maintain top trendy news for 2 days

4) Blazers trade Holiday to the Celtics.

>result; the major NBA news has shifted to Bucks/Celtics discussions. The Blazers are no longer in headlines.

5) the season is starting soon. Everyone in Portland is excited. Basketball is fun to watch.

>result; Portland's local team media is given the reigns to cover what was once a vast NBA news hotspot.

One of the first things I heard from local media in the echo chamber once packed with national reporters ...
... the JR podcast frosting the cake Jody Allen has baked for Portland. Everyone should grab a slice. As if one of the few remaining national writers are going to send a viral trendy report that Jody Allen bought a G-League team. That's old news.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Blazers have received;

2024 GSW pick top 4 protected
2029 MIL pick unprotected
2029 BOS pick unprotected
2028 MIL swap unprotected
2030 MIL swap unprotected
DeAndre Ayton
Robert Williams
Malcolm Brogdon
Toumani Carara
-Nurk -NAS -Keon
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So we had the Deni Trade, Ant trade, Ayton buyout, Dame signing after this. Someone needs to list exactly what the return is now!

Also the return from MIL, BOS, PHX side is interesting
 
SharpesTriumph said:
So we had the Deni Trade, Ant trade, Ayton buyout, Dame signing after this. Someone needs to list exactly what the return is now!

Also the return from MIL, BOS, PHX side is interesting
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we gave up nurkic, ant, little, keon

we got deni, toumani, jrue, timelord, picks and swaps
 
So Dame and Ayton are effectively no longer in the deal. This is what I think we received;

2029 MIL pick unprotected
2029 BOS swap unprotected
2028 MIL swap unprotected
2030 MIL swap unprotected
Robert Williams
Toumani Camara
Deni Avdija
Jrue Holiday

We gave up
-Nurk -NAS -Keon -Ant

Brilliant!!!

I can't ever think of a series of trades in NBA history where one team in two years gets all the pieces back.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
It will be crazy when we're rooting against the Bucks in 2030 because we have their swap that they'll still have $29 million in dead salary from our Dame contract.
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Why would we wait until 2030 to be rooting against the Bucks? We potentially have control of their pick in 2028, but we for sure do in 2029 and 2030 drafts.

We need them to have mediocre/disappointing seasons for the next 2 years - so they blow it up prior to the 2027-28 season.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Why would we wait until 2030 to be rooting against the Bucks? We potentially have control of their pick in 2028, but we for sure do in 2029 and 2030 drafts.

We need them to have mediocre/disappointing seasons for the next 2 years - so they blow it up prior to the 2027-28 season.
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That's the point, we want them to be mildly successful so they do not blow it up too early and start their rebuild too early. Imagine if they started their rebuild early and by the time Portland gets their picks they are somewhat respectable...
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Why would we wait until 2030 to be rooting against the Bucks? We potentially have control of their pick in 2028, but we for sure do in 2029 and 2030 drafts.

We need them to have mediocre/disappointing seasons for the next 2 years - so they blow it up prior to the 2027-28 season.
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Oh for sure.... I just meant it will be crazy that in 2030 we will STILL be rooting against the Bucks for a 2023 trade to be paid off of a player on their cap they cut 5 years prior.
 
andalusian said:
That's the point, we want them to be mildly successful so they do not blow it up too early and start their rebuild too early. Imagine if they started their rebuild early and by the time Portland gets their picks they are somewhat respectable...
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Id say we want them to NOT trade Giannis. By 2027-28 he may have far less trade value, or even no value considering his supermax contract. That with their dead cap and a decade of no draft picks could slot them at the top of the lottery those 3 years similar to Boston getting Tatum&Brown from the Nets.

If they trade Giannis now their certainly getting some young talent. But every year they don't has that value eroding away. Giannis declines and it craters like a penny stock.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Id say we want them to NOT trade Giannis. By 2027-28 he may have far less trade value, or even no value considering his supermax contract. That with their dead cap and a decade of no draft picks could slot them at the top of the lottery those 3 years similar to Boston getting Tatum&Brown from the Nets.

If they trade Giannis now their certainly getting some young talent. But every year they don't has that value eroding away. Giannis declines and it craters like a penny stock.
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I agree, that's why I don't mind Dame's "higher" salary since it gives them some cap relief for 2 years, maybe delaying his trade request...
 
To me, it's absolutely a haul. Not counting the Ant trade, which I absolutely like for us...

We traded pick #11 and Ayton
for
A 9-time allstar and top 75 all time nba player (Damian Lillard) (used money from Ayton buyout)
Hansen Yang
future 1st
2 future 2nds.
Increased playing time for Clingan (no one mentions this, but it's HUGE)
Increased playing time for Yang (this could also be big)

Not only did we get a big haul, we got a big haul for Deandre Fuckin' Ayton.
 
Let's summarize the Damian Lillard trade:

The Celtics got a championship out of it.

The Blazers still have Toumani Camara, Deni Avdija & Robert Williams and got Damian Lillard & Jrue Holiday back, plus future draft assets

The Suns still have Grayson Allen, at least.

The Bucks have no one and have nothing to show for, they also lost significant draft capital
 
inconceivable said:
Let's summarize the Damian Lillard trade:

The Celtics got a championship out of it.

The Blazers still have Toumani Camara, Deni Avdija & Robert Williams and got Damian Lillard & Jrue Holiday back, plus future draft assets

The Suns still have Grayson Allen, at least.

The Bucks have no one and have nothing to show for, they also lost significant draft capital
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I don't think people should include Jrue. He was completely separate. He was from the Simons trade. Not at all related to Dame.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't think people should include Jrue. He was completely separate. He was from the Simons trade. Not at all related to Dame.
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again....Blazers would not have had a chance at this supposed haul if they didn't have Dame to trade

and they wouldn't have Dame if they hadn't had Gerald Wallace to trade

and they wouldn't have had Gerald Wallace if they didn't have Joel Przybilla to trade

so the flow chart starts with the Vanilla Gorilla
 
wizenheimer said:
again....Blazers would not have had a chance at this supposed haul if they didn't have Dame to trade

and they wouldn't have Dame if they hadn't had Gerald Wallace to trade

and they wouldn't have had Gerald Wallace if they didn't have Joel Przybilla to trade

so the flow chart starts with the Vanilla Gorilla
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So we should include Dame's mom in the haul because she brought him into this world?
 
Simons has nothing whatsoever to do with any of the Lillard transactions. Not one thing.

The Blazers traded Simons for Jrue and picks. That's it. Completely separate transactions.
 
BBert said:
Simons has nothing whatsoever to do with any of the Lillard transactions. Not one thing.

The Blazers traded Simons for Jrue and picks. That's it. Completely separate transactions.
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No picks. Just Jrue for Simons straight up.
 
wizenheimer said:
again....Blazers would not have had a chance at this supposed haul if they didn't have Dame to trade

and they wouldn't have Dame if they hadn't had Gerald Wallace to trade

and they wouldn't have had Gerald Wallace if they didn't have Joel Przybilla to trade

so the flow chart starts with the Vanilla Gorilla
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Pryz? Damn I thought you were wrong but yes looked that up your right. We also gave up two firsts that eventually became Tobias Harris and Shabazz Napier.

Pryz was just salary filler though.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't think people should include Jrue. He was completely separate. He was from the Simons trade. Not at all related to Dame.
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l think Jrue should be included...just makes it all the more remarkable.

Also might be an indirect way the trades are related.
 
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