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theprunetang said:
In a vacuum, this all seems great and I generally agree with you. However, when one side of the equation is aligning with Nazis, there is no comparison between "sides". I know you are looking for solutions and not just trying to assess blame, but the conservative party in America is beyond saving, and not a single person who still calls themselves a republican is worthy of a vote. You cannot vote for the goddamned Nazi party.
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Labeling everyone identifying as a Rep a nazi, is countered by labeling everyone identifying as a Dem as a communist. Both would be faulty prejudice statements. However...

Advocating for a one party system is a very communist agenda to promote a dictatorship.
 
oldfisherman said:
Labeling everyone identifying as a Rep a nazi, is countered by labeling everyone identifying as a Dem as a communist. Both would be faulty prejudice statements. However...

Advocating for a one party system is a very communist agenda to promote a dictatorship.
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Not labeling everyone who identifies as conservative, just the actual politicians running the Republican party. Anyone still voting Republican is absolutely fucked up.
 
oldfisherman said:
More important. We should no longer alow voting for everyone on a party ticket. Think about it. If you only voted for everyone in one party, over the long run, 50% of the time, you have voted for the person that will not get the better results.
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That's only true if politicians are randomly assigned to parties. Which isn't true at all.
There is absolutely no reason to think that candidate quality is evenly distributed between the parties.
The party that doesn't actually believe in governance and views it as performance art is more likely to attract candidates that aren't good at governing.

barfo
 
barfo said:
That's only true if politicians are randomly assigned to parties. Which isn't true at all.
There is absolutely no reason to think that candidate quality is evenly distributed between the parties.
The party that doesn't actually believe in governance and views it as performance art is more likely to attract candidates that aren't good at governing.

barfo
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I agree with you that the quality of the politicians is not always evenly distributed between parties.

That is why there are no Democrate presidents honored on Mt Rushmore.
 
oldfisherman said:
Real news?

The last real and accurate news show went off the air in 1973.

Not only did it accurately report past and present news. It was supprising accurate at forecasting the news 20 years into the future.

I really miss Laugh-in.
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Look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls!
 
oldfisherman said:
I agree with you that the quality of the politicians is not always evenly distributed between parties.

That is why there are no Democrate presidents honored on Mt Rushmore.
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Actually Jefferson was a Democrat and Washington was an Independent and the other two were Republicans
 
oldfisherman said:
I agree with you that the quality of the politicians is not always evenly distributed between parties.

That is why there are no Democrate presidents honored on Mt Rushmore.
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I encourage you to read about the evolution of the political parties in America over the course of the last two centuries. You're not making the case you think you are.
 
oldfisherman said:
Labeling everyone identifying as a Rep a nazi, is countered by labeling everyone identifying as a Dem as a communist. Both would be faulty prejudice statements. However...

Advocating for a one party system is a very communist agenda to promote a dictatorship.
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or a monarchy. I'd like to see government by council and not individual partisan leadership..which inevitably leans towards autocrats or dictatorships or lifetime self appointed monarchs. Every subculture in the country having a seat at the council would be a true democracy.
 
riverman said:
Actually Jefferson was a Democrat and Washington was an Independent and the other two were Republicans
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Abe was National Union party and Teddy Bull Moose.
So that makes no Republicans on Mt. Rushmore.
Not that it matters in the least, since none of the four would be a member of the Republican party today. Primarily because they are dead.

barfo
 
Phatguysrule said:
This just seems highly unlikely to me. I don't think there are enough like minded people who want any part of that. Especially if the subsidies those areas receive go away.
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Thats the key. There aren't enough like minded people to make for a peaceful change. Too many independent thinkers and know it alls that will go vigilante.
Hundreds of gangs doing as they please with a safe zone for those who are with them.
The bulk of people will hunker down and let the wannabe warlords create anarchy
 
BlazerBender said:
Thats the key. There aren't enough like minded people to make for a peaceful change. Too many independent thinkers and know it alls that will go vigilante.
Hundreds of gangs doing as they please with a safe zone for those who are with them.
The bulk of people will hunker down and let the wannabe warlords create anarchy
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I don't see it. That would take millions of people to overcome our military. And they'd need the support of the population to do it.

And this will not be good for the population.

The independent vigilantes will not be able to organize effectively or keep themselves fed.

At worse they'd knock off some power in a few places, and do some mass shootings... But as soon as the US troops moved in it would be over.

I'm not not at all concerned about this scenario.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I don't see it. That would take millions of people to overcome our military. And they'd need the support of the population to do it.

And this will not be good for the population.

The independent vigilantes will not be able to organize effectively or keep themselves fed.

At worse they'd knock off some power in a few places, and do some mass shootings... But as soon as the US troops moved in it would be over.

I'm not not at all concerned about this scenario.
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Oh our military would splinter and start following their political puppets. Some defect. Some actually create a mutiny, etc.

I agree, not likely but its the dooms day scenario that is definitely possible.
 
BlazerBender said:
Oh our military would splinter and start following their political puppets. Some defect. Some actually create a mutiny, etc.

I agree, not likely but its the dooms day scenario that is definitely possible.
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Every splinter would be far less powerful than those that remained. Which would be at least half. The only way I can think to get enough military to defect with a common goal would be for the government to start ordering attacks on peaceful civilians.

And that's not going to happen unless we fuck up and elect another Trump or worse.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Every splinter would be far less powerful than those that remained. Which would be at least half. The only way I can think to get enough military to defect with a common goal would be for the government to start ordering attacks on peaceful civilians.

And that's not going to happen unless we fuck up and elect another Trump or worse.
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I think we are just that stupid. (See bolded)

im not saying there wouldn't be a side significantly more powerful than the other, but it would become chaos for the most part for the average citizen.
 
barfo said:
Not that it matters in the least, since none of the four would be a member of the Republican party today. Primarily because they are dead.
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True enough--dead people always vote democrat.
 
Here's what we should do. Everyone needs to declare allegiance to the left or the right. We then will have to wear our designated color of either red or blue. On a designated day we all line up opposite of each other with single shot muskets and shoot. The side with the most survivors is the winner. The end!
 
Kano John said:
Here's what we should do. Everyone needs to declare allegiance to the left or the right. We then will have to wear our designated color of either red or blue. On a designated day we all line up opposite of each other with single shot muskets and shoot. The side with the most survivors is the winner. The end!
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I think they should square off on a civics and world history test...winner takes all. No matter what they do, I'll be the guy in black that keeps score only. I've seen Squid Games!
 
PtldPlatypus said:
True enough--dead people always vote democrat.
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Well, yes. Because everything is perfect in heaven, Republicans don't appear on the ballot.
Nor do they show up to vote, since Satan has them otherwise occupied.

barfo
 
All due respect, I vote for issues. Which candidate most closely aligns with my views on my core issues. And usually, not always, candidates who support civil rights, women making our own health decisions, freedom to read, voting rights IMO are usually, not always, people of better character than those who want to overturn civil rights, ban abortion and birth control, ban books, make it harder to vote. There are exceptions. Bill Clinton was personally a jerk and not worthy of his smart wife.
 
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People voting on issues, rather than voting for the best quality candidate, is how we got Trump.

Last Pres election, after research, it was my opinion that Amy Klobuchar was the highest quality candidate. I did not agree with her on every issue. But this country would be more united, and in better shape today with Amy rather than sleepy Biden at the helm. I do not trust Biden.
 
oldfisherman said:
People voting on issues, rather than voting for the best quality candidate, is how we got Trump.

Last Pres election, after research, it was my opinion that Amy Klobuchar was the highest quality candidate. I did not agree with her on every issue. But this country would be more united, and in better shape today with Amy rather than sleepy Biden at the helm. I do not trust Biden.
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I think we'd be in the same place with Amy Klobuchar (vs Biden, Trump was obviously among the worst possible candidates).
 
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People didn't vote for Trump on issues. They voted based on white resentment.
 
People voted for Trump based on Making America Great Again. Like back in the 50s when women and minorities damn well did what they were told... Or else...
 
oldfisherman said:
Bullshit!!!!!

BTW, anyone that will kill their own child has the lowest character.
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Care to elaborate? Poll after poll showed racial resentment by biggest factor in supporting Trump. People outraged that a Black man has been president. People who were terrified that country was becoming majority non white.
 
crandc said:
Care to elaborate? Poll after poll showed racial resentment by biggest factor in supporting Trump. People outraged that a Black man has been president. People who were terrified that country was becoming majority non white.
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More bullshit.

I have never voted for Trump because I dislike his character. I disliked his character long before he ran for office.

You claim to vote on issues, not character. But you can not debate the issues Trump ran on. So you spread made up faulty bullshit to attack his character.

Here are the 3 main reasons/issues people voted for Trump. And continue to support him today.

1) Immigration/wall
2) lower taxes
3) renegotiate foreign trade deals to protect American jobs
 
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