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I made up bullshit on Trump's character? No one has to make up bullshit on Trump's character!
 
crandc said:
I made up bullshit on Trump's character? No one has to make up bullshit on Trump's character!
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That is not what he said. He said bullshit on the reason why people voted for trump. Im sorry crand but im also here as a witness that many repiblicans voted for trump not on his character but on his policies that @oldfisherman (how ya doin my friend?) noted.
It had nothing to do with Obama. It had to do with not caring for Obamas expanded government policies.

Id love to see a link to these polls stating/claiming republicans voted for trump over race. Please provide something to back that up because i don't believe it for a moment. Discussing politics with many of my friends on both spectrums, not one person brings up race for their reasons on how they voted. Its all about government policies regarding immigration, foreign affairs and cleaning the swamp( getting rid of politicians in bed with big business)

thats what i voted for him on and many i know did the same.
You are going to need to provide more evidence than your word. I really like you but you are very biased at times, so please back up your statement on this with something more tangible than your opinion(which i respect).
 
crandc said:
Ask and you shall receive

https://www.pewresearch.org/politic...nd-gender-are-even-more-divided-than-in-2016/
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Care to explain your reasoning of how you think this poll says republicans voted for trump because Obama was black?
This poll says nothing about that from what i read. It asks if people think its tougher to be a black man in the us.
It seems this is quite a stretch to claim this poll states republicans voted for trump based on race… not seeing it. Please define clearly where you are getting these details from this poll?
 
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oldfisherman said:
More bullshit.

I have never voted for Trump because I dislike his character. I disliked his character long before he ran for office.

You claim to vote on issues, not character. But you can not debate the issues Trump ran on. So you spread made up faulty bullshit to attack his character.

Here are the 3 main reasons/issues people voted for Trump. And continue to support him today.

1) Immigration/wall
2) lower taxes
3) renegotiate foreign trade deals to protect American jobs
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1) Why no wall for Canada? Yeah, race has nothing to do with it...

2) Lower taxes for the rich. Great. Trickle down economics. I heard about a Russian video in which Trump was testing this very theory...

3) This was happening regardless... It's been in the works for 30 years.
 
PEW? Wow, I could write ten books about their influence and bias towards helping leftist radical groups.

First, I spent decades fighting both left and right wing extremists. My agenda was to expose the truth, which neither side wants out. I have even given testimony at hearings.

PEW short version.
By following the money funding studies , it was very clear the money was, and still is, coming from leftist foundations, and going to leftist supporting "people" to produce leftist supporting studies.

How did PEW fit in? What I found was managers of funding foundations where on PEWs board of directors. And PEW management where likewise on the board of directors funding leftist propaganda. PEW then would report the studies as if they were a neutral bystander. This was about 30 years ago, not sure about today. But everything they still report supports the left.

I do no trust anything out of PEW. These people are masters of minipulating any info to support their agenda.
 
Just for kicks, I read the bios for the PEW upper management.

One senior vp has a long history working for the dem party. Working for one senator and 2 congress people, include Pelosi when she was house speaker.

Another vp worked for a dem congress person.

One vp was president of a group that produces a lot of far left environmental propaganda, that is heavily funded by a far left supporting foundation.

I could not find any representation of the rep party or right wing groups to add balance to PEWs heavy left reporting.
 
crandc said:
Please cite a polling organization you consider legitimate.
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I never claimed there was one. But I'm not the one using them to solidify my opinion.
Ive maintained polls are easily manipulated. I believe to not be a good source to validify ones stance.
Everything is biased in political. To claim one entity is not worthy of using because of political bias/stance means none of them should be.

This goes right back to using angles that fit a narrative and discounting anything that doesn't.
The very foundation of such a stance is negated if we dont use the same principles across the board when deeming information accurate or not.

We must have the same grading scale on all information provided or it makes opinions worthless.
 
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/pew-research

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https://mlelawfirm.com/blog/anecdotal-v-empirical-evidence/

Anecdotal evidence is evidence from anecdotes: evidence collected in a casual or informal manner and relying heavily on or entirely on personal experience/testimony or the experiences of friends.

ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE IS UNRELIABLE, WHY?
Your personal experiences and/or your friends experiences are not evidence of how everyone else reacts or thinks.
Anecdotal evidence lacks verification and is largely based on very limited context.
Where only one or a few anecdotes are presented, there is a larger chance that they may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative samples of typical cases.
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Phatguysrule said:
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/pew-research

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I never said pew research was biased. However i did check out the details of the poll and the insinuation the poll is about people voting for trump over race or because Obama is Black is not accurate and extremely misleading.

Im not sure how one can tie these two together and be taken seriously.

A poll question asked if being Black in America is tougher than if you are white?
no matter the results, how does that equate to trump voters voting for him based on race?


The second poll link is where i brought up biased polling. The one that shows the intercept as a far left leaning entity.

lets not mix the two up and then claim them as the same please.
 
BlazerBender said:
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I never said pew research was biased. However i did check out the details of the poll and the insinuation the poll is about people voting for trump over race or because Obama is Black is not accurate and extremely misleading.

Im not sure how one can tie these two together and be taken seriously.

A poll question asked if being Black in America is tougher than if you are white?
no matter the results, how does that equate to trump voters voting for him based on race?


The second poll link is where i brought up biased polling. The one that shows the intercept as a far left leaning entity.

lets not mix the two up and then claim them as the same please.
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I'm just sharing data.

Looks like Pew Research is about as trustworthy as they come.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I'm just sharing data.

Looks like Pew Research is about as trustworthy as they come.
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Okay but you quoted me and based on the post you quoted, it sure seems like more of only addressing narratives that fit.
Who cares if allsides says they are unbiased if the poll does not accurately represent the discussion at hand?

why arent you addressing that portion and instead just dismiss it?
You are ONLY sharing info that fits your portion of the narrative and completely dismiss or leave alone the portion that doesn't. Like the fact the poll does not address the claim/accusation as was indicated.

sooo familiar with this tactic…..sigh….
 
BlazerBender said:
Okay but you quoted me and based on the post you quoted, it sure seems like more of only addressing narratives that fit.
Who cares if allsides says they are unbiased if the poll does not accurately represent the discussion at hand?

why arent you addressing that portion and instead just dismiss it?
You are ONLY sharing info that fits your portion of the narrative and completely dismiss or leave alone the portion that doesn't. Like the fact the poll does not address the claim/accusation as was indicated.

sooo familiar with this tactic…..sigh….
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My post about Pew isn't quoting any other posts.

The Pew Research link shows that Trump voters feel very different about women and minorities than Biden voters. Drastically different.
 
Phatguysrule said:
My post about Pew isn't quoting any other posts.

The Pew Research link shows that Trump voters feel very different about women and minorities than Biden voters. Drastically different.
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Umm my alerts show you quoted me. Now my auote is no longer…


Something smells like fishy.

yep. Just double checked. Yourcpost alerted me that you quoted me. Did you remove my quote and then act as though you never quoted me?

cause thats just ridiculous if so. if you did not,

ill ask @SlyPokerDog do you ever see alerts sent in error claiming someone quoted someone else but never actually did?

But if you did @Phatguysrule thats one of the most… nevermind. Words wont even explain…
 
BlazerBender said:
Umm my alerts show you quoted me. Now my auote is no longer…


Something smells like fishy.

yep. Just double checked. Yourcpost alerted me that you quoted me. Did you remove my quote and then act as though you never quoted me?

cause thats just ridiculous if so. if you did not,

ill ask @SlyPokerDog do you ever see alerts sent in error claiming someone quoted someone else but never actually did?

But if you did @Phatguysrule thats one of the most… nevermind. Words wont even explain…
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I dunno. Might have been a quote prefilled in there when I originally posted. I thought I removed it before posting. Not sure. Strange shit happens when posting on my phone sometimes.

But your quote of my post doesn't show me quoting anything, so I'm assuming it wasn't there when you replied to my post.

I wouldn't worry too much about it if I were you.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I dunno. Might have been a quote prefilled in there when I originally posted. I thought I removed it before posting. Not sure. Strange shit happens when posting on my phone sometimes.

But your quote of my post doesn't show me quoting anything, so I'm assuming it wasn't there when you replied to my post.

I wouldn't worry too much about it if I were you.
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I will take your word for it that it wasn't intentional. But if it was, you could see how that would really be some low manipulation.
I dont find you to be dishonest, just stubborn like me at times. ;)

I do believe when quoting a post that has been quoted, it will not maintain the chain and will only quote the post. Not the quote within the post. Sly can confirm.
 
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