Is there an Atheist?

[magnifier661]

Figure we can spew some of the topics into their own categories. It's not scientifically logical for Atheists to exist, therefor I discredit their very existence.

Thoughts?

Atheism

you can masturbate in private or let consenting adults watch! You can do it before or after you got married.

 

[magnifier661]

Shit WTF happened?!?!?! I posted it in the OT board. It ended up here?!?!?!?!

 

[TripTango]

Ummmm... Can you repeat the question?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

You pulled an ABM!

:MARIS61:

 

[PapaG]

Kobe Bryant is an atheist?????

 

[crowTrobot]

Thoughts?

funny, but you do realize that page is mocking religion, not atheism right?

 

[MARIS61]

Atheist is a simply a term labeling honest people with ordinary reasoning powers. The term need not exist, as it simply describes the absence of brainwashing or brain damage in an otherwise normal healthy human being.

 

[MARIS61]

funny, but you do realize that page is mocking religion, not atheism right?

You expect someone who "believes" in god(s) and takes the bible as a literal guide to living to be able to discern truth from satire and parody?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

A lot of atheists are attention whores who look down on those who have a different point of view. They often try to make a specific point to let them know they are an atheist and that they are better than you because they don't believe in the "myths".

Asking them if atheists actually exists annoy them to no end because the whole bane of their existence is being recognized and part of the "enlightened".

 

[crowTrobot]

A lot of atheists are attention whores who look down on those who have a different point of view. They often try to make a specific point to let them know they are an atheist and that they are better than you because they don't believe in the "myths".

Asking them if atheists actually exists annoy them to no end because the whole bane of their existence is being recognized and part of the "enlightened".

i'm pretty sure the OP was about to make the typical creationist website talking point that it's impossible to disprove the existence of something, so therefor atheists don't exist.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

:MARIS61:

 

[TripTango]

A lot of atheists are attention whores who look down on those who have a different point of view. They often try to make a specific point to let them know they are an atheist and that they are better than you because they don't believe in the "myths".

Asking them if atheists actually exists annoy them to no end because the whole bane of their existence is being recognized and part of the "enlightened".

And a lot of atheists aren't bothered at all by nonsensical questions or gross over-generalizations. What's your point?

 

[magnifier661]

A lot of atheists are attention whores who look down on those who have a different point of view. They often try to make a specific point to let them know they are an atheist and that they are better than you because they don't believe in the "myths".

Asking them if atheists actually exists annoy them to no end because the whole bane of their existence is being recognized and part of the "enlightened".

Ding ding ding!

 

[magnifier661]

i'm pretty sure the OP was about to make the typical creationist website talking point that it's impossible to disprove the existence of something, so therefor atheists don't exist.

Or I just used the funny website that one atheist used on a believer right back at them. Lighten up Francis, there is humor on both sides of the coin. Your just not used to it becuase most atheist don't have to deal with joking Christians. It's easy to make humor on those so serious about their faith. Funny how offended you got though. Made me chuckle.

 

[magnifier661]

funny, but you do realize that page is mocking religion, not atheism right?

Really? Look at it much closer and get back to me.

 

[TripTango]

That page is funny, especially since it's clearly a kind of wiki-editing battleground. Some of the lines are clearly inserted by folks making fun of religion, while others are counter-attacks by the god-fearing faithful.

Case in point:

you can threaten to sue elementary schools if they let kids sing songs about Jesus!
...while giving Santa Clause, Rudolph, and Frosty the White Snowman a free pass!

 

[magnifier661]

I've always liked this angle too... I love humor. Thanks Maris for the good fun!

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Evil_Atheist_Conspiracy

 

[magnifier661]

That page is funny, especially since it's clearly a kind of wiki-editing battleground. Some of the lines are clearly inserted by folks making fun of religion, while others are counter-attacks by the god-fearing faithful.

Case in point:

Totally! Hey it's fun to make fun if you don't believe the other right? It becomes easy because the one making fun holds no emotional connection to that point.

 

[TripTango]

Totally! Hey it's fun to make fun if you don't believe the other right? It becomes easy because the one making fun holds no emotional connection to that point.

It can be fun, but in all honesty, the emotional connection part is exactly why I try NOT to go overboard on teasing and joking. It's hard sometimes to separate an attack on a belief system from an attack on a believer, and (as an agnostic) I don't think any of us have all the answers. Therefore I try to temper my own strong beliefs with humility -- we're all just seeking truth out of what we've been given.

 

[magnifier661]

It can be fun, but in all honesty, the emotional connection part is exactly why I try NOT to go overboard on teasing and joking. It's hard sometimes to separate an attack on a belief system from an attack on a believer, and (as an agnostic) I don't think any of us have all the answers. Therefore I try to temper my own strong beliefs with humility -- we're all just seeking truth out of what we've been given.

This is more of a response for Maris; who brought up this wonderful link in the first place. The forum had an honest debate; that I loved reading until the punch lines kicked in. And I figured, Hey lets use humor on both sides.

Many creationists believe the biggest joke Satan made was leading the world to believe God doesn't exist.

 

[crowTrobot]

we're all just seeking truth out of what we've been given.

only one side is seeking truth. the other side already "knows" they have it. nice that you are concerned with humility, but you can't lump atheists and fundamentalists based on motivation. their motivations are polar opposites.

 

[magnifier661]

only one side is seeking truth. the other side already "knows" they have it. nice that you are concerned with humility, but you can't lump atheists and fundamentalists based on motivation. their motivations are polar opposites.

Yeah Christians do know they already have it.

 

[crowTrobot]

Yeah Christians do know they already have it.

exactly : )

 

[TripTango]

only one side is seeking truth. the other side already "knows" they have it. nice that you are concerned with humility, but you can't lump atheists and fundamentalists based on motivation. their motivations are polar opposites.

Call it naive faith on my part, but I believe in the possibility of scientific redemption for all, even the most hard-core of fundamentalist nonbelievers.

 

[magnifier661]

exactly : )

And we come full circle, because if you generalise "Atheism" as - a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities; then why the concern of other people's beliefs? Why would an Atheist even care what another believes in? Yet, in every religeous debate; they jump at the chance to disprove God. It almost seems a passion in the sense.

I would think if the term "I don't know and I don't care" is applied; then why the need to try and discredit those that have a deep love and admiration for their "God"?

Let's dumb it down a bit... Let's say I tell you... You don't love your mom. How can you prove you love your mom? Could your idea of love be different than mine? Would that make you wrong if 100 people disagree with you?

 

[TripTango]

Many creationists believe the biggest joke Satan made was leading the world to believe God doesn't exist.

I always heard it as "Satan's greatest trick was convincing the world that he (Satan) didn't exist." Meaning that those who don't believe in Satan are indirectly giving him their support.

Of course, it could also be argued that religion's greatest trick was convincing the world that an invisible spirit was responsible for all of their bad actions...

 

[TripTango]

And we come full circle, because if you generalise "Atheism" as - a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities; then why the concern of other people's beliefs? Why would an Atheist even care what another believes in? Yet, in every religeous debate; they jump at the chance to disprove God. It almost seems a passion in the sense.

I can't speak for other atheists any more than you can speak for all Christians, but for my part I have no problem with folks believing in god(s). We live in a world which, at a material level, has far more questions than solid answers. I don't blame anyone for seeking out stories that fill in the unknowns, if it gives them comfort and satisfaction. I also enjoy discussing all these questions (and the many answers that folks have found), hence my participation in these threads. I'll admit that it rankles a bit when friends or family members choose superstition over science in terms of their personal choices (such as holding onto magnets, crystals or relics when they are sick), but I can usually get over that. The only place where I start to have a problem with religious belief is if/when someone's spiritual beliefs start to dictate public policy that negatively impacts me or my family.

 

[magnifier661]

I always heard it as "Satan's greatest trick was convincing the world that he (Satan) didn't exist." Meaning that those who don't believe in Satan are indirectly giving him their support.

Of course, it could also be argued that religion's greatest trick was convincing the world that an invisible spirit was responsible for all of their bad actions...

Touché

 

[magnifier661]

I can't speak for other atheists any more than you can speak for all Christians, but for my part I have no problem with folks believing in god(s). We live in a world which, at a material level, has far more questions than solid answers. I don't blame anyone for seeking out stories that fill in the unknowns, if it gives them comfort and satisfaction. I also enjoy discussing all these questions (and the many answers that folks have found), hence my participation in these threads. I'll admit that it rankles a bit when friends or family members choose superstition over science in terms of their personal choices (such as holding onto magnets, crystals or relics when they are sick), but I can usually get over that. The only place where I start to have a problem with religious belief is if/when someone's spiritual beliefs start to dictate public policy that negatively impacts me or my family.

Very eloquently spoken. I am totally fine with this way of thinking. And I it can be said the other way around too. There are Christians that try and force feed their beliefs on "non-believers". I am personally against that as well. I think giving someone the opportunity to come to you in "Free Will" will give you the open pallet. It's much harder to try and get through to someone by making them become defensive right from the get go.

 

[TripTango]

Very eloquently spoken. I am totally fine with this way of thinking. And I it can be said the other way around too. There are Christians that try and force feed their beliefs on "non-believers". I am personally against that as well. I think giving someone the opportunity to come to you in "Free Will" will give you the open pallet. It's much harder to try and get through to someone by making them become defensive right from the get go.

We'll have to discuss more during halftime of a Blazer game sometime. I'll buy the first round.