Isiah acquires Rose, Taylor and 2 1st round picks

[02civic]

This true?


"Two league sources told ESPN Insider Chad Ford that New York has traded Nazr Mohammed and Jamison Brewer to the Spurs for Malik Rose and a first-round pick.

The Knicks also traded Vin Baker and Moochie Norris to the Rockets for Maurice Taylor and a first-round pick, Ford reports."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1998814

 

[Spurs_fan_north]

I can't see why it isn't true, but I don't understand why the Knicks did it. I thought that Nazr was doing good work for you guys, and now you have no center, or at least I don't think so. Has Isaiah come out and said why he did these trades?

I can see why the Spurs did this in some ways, Malik was in Pop's dog house and not getting much PT, and with Nazr we get a great backup for Rasho. He will also help if we go to the finals and if we have to face the Heat.

 

[jbbCourtVision]

Well it Nazr's in a contract year so i guess he was not in their long term plans. This way they get a first round pick, which will be used wisely by Isiah. But Malik Rose??

And then he gets Maurice Taylor and a first rounder as well. I can see why he is stalking up on 1st round picks but why power fowards?

 

[Beat]

Nazi is not gonna do anything against the heat. Shaq will eat NAzi. But why did we trade nazi and trade for Maurice Taylor unless theres gonna be another trade. Thats gonaa give us Sweetney, Taylor, Thomas and Rose. 4 pfs, for what. There must be another trade goin down.

 

[P.A.P.]

Change the title of the thread someone.

Isiah is crazy man...He's adding 32 million dollars MORE total, to his payroll with these trades. What good does this do anyways? Unless he plans to trade away Sweetney, these trades are very stupid IMO.

Taylor doesn't know how to play D, like most Knicks, and now they bring him and his big contract here.

The Malik Rose trade is more reasonable because of the low pick, but less stupid. He's a blue collar hard nose worker, but he does have a monster contract, which will be considered as a small contract in NY. A better plan would've been to give Sweetney the starting job and give him more minutes with their other bigs. Now he'll be receiving less minutes, for a while, because nobody will take Taylor and Rose, unless they give worse contract in return.

I don't get it at all...

 

[02civic]

The Houston trade makes more sense since they arent loosing anybody important and they get a pick in return. I dont know if Taylor will fit in well, and i'm not sure why they need 4 PF's and 0 centers but...it makes more sense than the Spurs trade.
GIVING away Nazi for Rose and a pick (going to be last or second last pick) in the first round is nuts. They could of got SOOOO much more for him. I think the Raptors would of considered giving up a denvers pick in 2007 and donyell for Nazi, which is a much better deal than they got since Yell>Rose and Denver pick>Spurs pick

i dont get it. I'd have to say the worst bout of trades i have ever heard of. No center does not a team make.
And in response to an above suggestion that Nazi backs up Rasho well...i agree...though i think its possible Nazi could steal the starting spot.

Back into exile for me

 

[Knicks Analyst]

It is true. A great trade, or at least it is potentially. We have to hope Isiah doesn't pull any junk and can possibly trade up using these picks and light contracts to move up to the 1st or 2nd pick. Or, he could trade the SA and HOU picks (one may have been through Phoenix) to get a mid 1st round pick. And Isiah is one helluva drafter (T-Mac and Ariza for examples).

BTW- JWohl, I told you Mohhamed was expendable. Same pretty much applies to 02civic. Isiah obviously agreed.

 

[TnNeG]

I don't get it... How many PF's is this now...?
NY must really love PF's. As for the trade the only thing i like about it is the draft picks.
Who's our center now? Maurice Taylor...? Wow.

 

[Beat]

I'm anxious at what Isiah will do next.

 

[KnicksUK]

If it's true then my other post is gonna look very stupid

I think it's a good move by Isiah to acquire 2 first round picks, although in the title when it said "Rose" I was thinking "Jalen" rather than "Malik". I don't believe for one minute these trades will make us a better team THIS season, but next, almost certainly.

 

[Mr. J]

KA is right, great trade for the Knicks. This can put them over the top next year. I don't understand what's so bad about this trade. You guys have to stop and think about the Knicks in June and then we'll see whoever gets the good end of the deal.

 

[Knicks Analyst]

Rose is capable of the 3. He's 6'7 and he fouls plenty at the 4, and I'm sure he'll do some converting.

Banks, you don't know what you're talking about, same to you civic. We realize we're screwed cap-wise, we see that. We have more money on the cap in total years with 27 from Malik and about 5 or so (?) from Maurice. But look, with that we take on 2 first rounders, and there are clauses in the Marbury trade and it's possible that we get Phoenix's 1st. So if we have that we have around 4 first rounders, talk about good ammo. With that we have Penny and TT expiring next year, that's serious ammo at the deadline next year as well. Do the thinking and watch more Knicks games (*sigh*. Please leave, civic. You don't know at all) and you'll see how much potential this trade has.

 

[Platehpus]

It's a move for the future, I guess. Looks like either Isiah thinks he can nab 3 talents in the draft, or he's planning on trading them for a star player. He could also trade up, maybe he's got a good eye on Andrew B. Either way, I think Isiah is a terrible GM who should only be in charge of drafting.

 

[Beat]

Who says we have to wait for 10 years for a championship?

 

[JWohl]

homage

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">It is true. A great trade, or at least it is potentially. We have to hope Isiah doesn't pull any junk and can possibly trade up using these picks and light contracts to move up to the 1st or 2nd pick. Or, he could trade the SA and HOU picks (one may have been through Phoenix) to get a mid 1st round pick. And Isiah is one helluva drafter (T-Mac and Ariza for examples).

BTW- JWohl, I told you Mohhamed was expendable. Same pretty much applies to 02civic. Isiah obviously agreed.</div>

Here it is: Knicks Analyst you were right and I was wrong, I am sorry.

If there is any way I can make it up to you please hesitate to ask. Anyway i agree that we should package or picks and try and trade up to get someone (bogut) but it depends on where our pick falls in the lotttery if we get 13th pick and the 29th no one is giving us a top 5 for those two so we have to wait and see.

 

[Platehpus]

I wonder what our starting lineup is going to be now. KT will most likely move to the 5, does this mean Sweetney has a starting job? Mo Taylor would probably start but he's on the IR, and I don't see Malik starting.

 

[Knicks Analyst]

Thanks, Wohl. I accept your payment.

I hope to God Isiah can snag some higher picks.

 

[mike18946]

I have no idea why Isiah would trade for Malik and his big contract. Doesn't he have enough overpaid players? I don't see much point to be honest.

With that said, If given a chance Malik will produce for you and you will love his effort and passion.

So long eek

 

[Knicks Analyst]

AllNet, please read some of the posts.

. I remember that dunk, I was there.

 

[Mr. J]

The whole plan is to get a high draft pick and with ours and possibly 3 others, it'll be almost certain on bagging a 1-5 pick. We can really get good next year. While we have Rose's huge contract we have expiring next year which will get us even a better player or some more cap space. I'm telling you this is a good trade and only dillusional people can't see it!

 

[P.A.P.]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Banks, you don't know what you're talking about, same to you civic. We realize we're screwed cap-wise, we see that. We have more money on the cap in total years with 27 from Malik and about 5 or so (?) from Maurice. But look, with that we take on 2 first rounders, and there are clauses in the Marbury trade and it's possible that we get Phoenix's 1st. So if we have that we have around 4 first rounders, talk about good ammo. With that we have Penny and TT expiring next year, that's serious ammo at the deadline next year as well. Do the thinking and watch more Knicks games (*sigh*. Please leave, civic. You don't know at all) and you'll see how much potential this trade has.</div>

I know what's going on. My main concern is the frontline of the Knicks, even though I don't care. Sweetney will be playing behind Mo, Rose and Kurt. If not, you'll be paying one of them big bucks to sit on the bench...and eventually they'll want out.

The picks could do some good, but they're low picks. Isiah did good in his first draft with his low pick, getting Ariza, so I can see some potential there. This whole thing is just messed up with the salaries. I see that it's NY, but its just too messed up...well over 100+ million dollar in payroll for 15 players or so. If they do get 4 picks...they won't use all four, too much of a risk giving out 4, three year contracts to uncertain players. Could do some good in future trades, but oh well, I'm glad the Raps aren't the knicks.

 

[Platehpus]

No, Banks, I don't think you get it.

 

[Tribute to H2O]

All I have to say is...this trade is beautiful. So many picks to use to draft YOUNG players. There are alot of good prospects in this upcoming draft. The biggest loss was Mohammed and he was expendable since Sweetney needs more minutes. When does Rose's and Taylor's contract expires? If it's before or at the same time as Houston's and JYD's then it's irrelevant how large their contracts are. We'll have four picks to use to prepare for the future. Arguably Isiah's best move since he's been in New York. I have to ask though what's the big deal about one of the picks possibly coming from Pheonix?

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">I know what's going on. My main concern is the frontline of the Knicks, even though I don't care. Sweetney will be playing behind Mo, Rose and Kurt. If not, you'll be paying one of them big bucks to sit on the bench...and eventually they'll want out.</div>
How us it your concern if you don't care? No Sweetney wont be playing behind them. They will have adjust to this play plus we don't know who will be around and who wont by the start of next season.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The picks could do some good, but they're low picks. Isiah did good in his first draft with his low pick, getting Ariza, so I can see some potential there. This whole thing is just messed up with the salaries. I see that it's NY, but its just too messed up...well over 100+ million dollar in payroll for 15 players or so. If they do get 4 picks...they won't use all four, too much of a risk giving out 4, three year contracts to uncertain players. Could do some good in future trades, but oh well, I'm glad the Raps aren't the knicks.</div>
The picks do tons of good. As KA pointed out, Isiah is a brilliant drafter. He drafted McGrady, the former Rookie of the Year Damon Stoudemire, and now Ariza. He has great srfat skill so I don't know what they help 'some' means. They help a lot. We can also possibly draft up with those picks. We are messed up in the cap, but your acting as if we were going to clean up anytime soon. We have 25 million coming up next season, we also have other expiring contracts in the years to come. I am glad the Raptors aren't the Knicks either. Thank God!

We'd be giving up so much greatness in NY to go and play for Toronto.

 

[Chutney]

You gotta hand it to Isiah, he's got a big imagination. If he drafts good, he's basically changed the direction of the team 180 degrees.

 

[Vintage]

This.......is...........too................funny......


Maurice Taylor....for Vin Baker, Moochie Norris, and a 2006 2nd round pick.

Houston has been wanting to trade him for so long.

Then, on top of it, the Knicks added Malik Rose.

Granted, they got 2 1st rounders.....but they are going to be very, very, very late 1st rounders.....for giving up their decent center.'

Poor Sweetney....

2 and a half more years on Taylor.
3 and a half more years on Rose
2 and a half more years of Williams
3 and a half more years of Thomas

Thats 5 PF's on that roster......Granted, Thomas will play some center, and Williams can play some 3.....but still.

LMAO...

 

[crazyrussianz]

FINALLY WE TRADED all of our C's but your forgeting the crowd favorite B-R-U-N-O.... I wanna see him play

 

[Knicks Analyst]

Vintage, Kurt will be playing at the 5 for a while. JYD plays at the 3 as well as the 4, and often subs in for Ariza or TT. Rose and Taylor...yeah. But I think Sweetney will take the majority of the minutes.

 

[jbbCourtVision]

I'm not going to touch upon the picks because that is a moot point. You guys are in great draft postition and Isiah is a master at using his picks to his advantage.

But now, Isiah also created a logjam at the 4 position. There was a reason why the Spurs wanted to get rid of Rose and the Rockets wanted to get rid of Taylor. Both teams used their 1st round picks to entice the deal to completion. But who would you give minutes to in the end? I think Sweetney should definitely play over these guys to develope but then you have about 12 million dollars a year sitting on the bench and getting more irate as the season goes along.

I think it's just wasted cap space on New Yorks part again. But they got 1st rounders, which softens the blow. In the end Houston and San Antonio just dumped their wasted salary on the Knicks and used picks to complete the deal.

I wouldn't call it masterful. It has it's good and bad points. They are in good position next year if they can package the picks to another team but at the same time they just created a huge logjam salary cap handcuff at the 4 spot.

 

[P.A.P.]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How us it your concern if you don't care? No Sweetney wont be playing behind them. They will have adjust to this play plus we don't know who will be around and who wont by the start of next season.</div>

Um ever thought I was a fan of the player?

. I can't see any reason for Sweetney to hang around with them if he doesn't get the PT. Sharing the time with Mo, Kurt and Malik and even JYD won't help his development. Even if he does play, a problem for the Knicks will be that one of them will likely not play.

Ultimately this thing is about the picks. They could use the two picks in future trades to acquire other players, or use them themselves. They need to identify their core first, and identify the role players. Who knows whats going to go on with the picks? They're going to be low picks, and if the players are with the Knicks, other players will be unhappy due to the lack of PT, or the picks (the players chosen) will be on the bench. Just wait to see how these trades pan out.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">No, Banks, I don't think you get it.</div>

I get it what the Knicks are doing man. I just think that Isiah is an idiot going crazy with the teams unlimited payroll.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The picks do tons of good. As KA pointed out, Isiah is a brilliant drafter. He drafted McGrady, the former Rookie of the Year Damon Stoudemire, and now Ariza. He has great srfat skill so I don't know what they help 'some' means. They help a lot. We can also possibly draft up with those picks. We are messed up in the cap, but your acting as if we were going to clean up anytime soon. We have 25 million coming up next season, we also have other expiring contracts in the years to come. I am glad the Raptors aren't the Knicks either. Thank God! We'd be giving up so much greatness in NY to go and play for Toronto.</div>

Isiah really hasn't done anything with low picks asides from the drafting of Ariza, which is a big pick, but he hasn't shown much skill draftin with low picks due to his lack of history.

You're not really make a lot sense by saying that I'm acting like your gong to "clean up" anytime soon, and then you go on by saying that 25 million comes off the books after next year like it matters

. The 25 million coming off the books next season doesn't even matter since Isiah will just be piling up more salaries in the offseason and during the season.

I'm saying that I'm Glad the Raps aren't the Knicks because of the logjams at posistions and horrible cap situations.