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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">What team haven't you liked?
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">The media paints the cancer perception on Marbury. They do the same thing about Kobe and how he "broke up the Lakers." The point is Marbury has been put into many situations which never get noticed. How can you say Shareef Abdur-Rahim is garbage? Is he to blame for never making it to the playoffs being on the Vancouver Grizzlies, the Atlanta Hawks, and the Portland Trail Blazers? Elton Brand puts up 20 points, 10 rebounds, and two blocks virtually every season and still hasn't made it to the playoffs? Is he to blame for that? According to your criteria, he, too, is garbage.

Marbury is not trying to brag by calling himself Starbury. He said he is not playing the way which got him the nickname Starbury. Marbury went from his best season to his worst season and when asked about it he said I need to go back to my old style of play. That's not bragging. When he was asked by the media if he was the league's best point guard he said yes. What were you expecting him to say, no?

Jose was simply responding to the uninformed poster who said Marbury is a "cancer" to every team, neglecting some of Marbury's misfortunes in his previous NBA teams.


I think he picks out his favorite teams out of a hat.</div>



You guys gotta wake up and smell the ashes, Marbury IS a cancer.

I dont care how his stats are, i dont care what his teams have done. All i know is that everywhere he goes the teams chemistry takes a hit. Problems with other players and coaches have followed him his entire career.

Boy is a cancer, sorry to break it to you guys.
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">You guys gotta wake up and smell the ashes, Marbury IS a cancer.

I dont care how his stats are, i dont care what his teams have done. All i know is that everywhere he goes the teams chemistry takes a hit. Problems with other players and coaches have followed him his entire career.

Boy is a cancer, sorry to break it to you guys.
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You don't watch Marbury play though, so your opinion isn't really logical.

We're Knick fans, we're very realstic. Marbury gives more positive than negative to this team. He isn't a cancer, but he isn't the answer...don't post silly things.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think he's liked Portland yet.</div>
It's just a matter of time before he gets tired of the Hawks' losing.
 
This is the team that I miss everytime I watch a knick game today!!!!!

Coach-Pat Riley
PG-Derek Harper
SG-John Starks
SF-Anthony Mason
PF-Charles Oakley
C-Patrick Ewing
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">You don't watch Marbury play though, so your opinion isn't really logical.

We're Knick fans, we're very realstic. Marbury gives more positive than negative to this team. He isn't a cancer, but he isn't the answer...don't post silly things.</div>



I find it hard to fathom that anyone could be so blind. Ok you like him, he's your favourite player....but COME ON!

Marbury gives more positive than negetive? Ok so i'll list his negetives. 1) He's had problems with other players throught his career, including last year and Qrich issue this year. He's had problems with his coaches throughtout his career...especially this year.
2) He plays zero defence...he's horrible...Isiah might of had it right when he called Marbury the worst defensive point gaurd in the league.
3) He has to dominate the ball to be effective
4) He's taking 15 million of the Knicks money per year


What are the positives?

If Marbury isnt considered a team cancer...i truly dont know who is.


PS- i'm sick and tired of getting the same weakASS "you dont watch" line everytime i say something about the Knicks in here. FACT: i talked alot in here last year and i backed it up...i watched alot of games. FACT: i talk now about Marbury...i've probably seen 200 of his games over his NBA career....minimum. Thats enough in my opinion to be able to speak my mind. Not sure what exactly isnt "logical" about that


Knicks have some good pieces, lots of money obviously and lots of fans, they can turn it around. But i'm 1000% sure that they'll have to do that without Marbury, he's 25% of the problem. The other percentages being brown 25% isiah 25% and 25% being the rest of the overpaid scrubs on the roster.
 
Marbury is definitely a team cancer. Everyone who's coached has criticized him; Larry Brown has just taken it to another level.

One time is a fluke.
Two times is a trend.
Three or more is a pattern.

Marbury not getting along with teammates or coaches his entire career is a pattern.
 
i dont know if anyone mentioned this yet, but look at how the Nets did after Marbury got traded, the Nets made the finals two years in a row and then he gets traded from phenoix and they make the conference finals the year after

coincidence? I think not.
 
I feel ya, Jose. What can I say?
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The team's design has to make some sense.
 
Guys, we all know we have problems. We have chemistry problems, ego problems coaching problems, money problems, talent problems, all that. But when it boils down to it, when it comes down to the 5 on 5 game on the court for 48 minutes, its about heart. There use to be something called heart on the Garden floor. Guys like Oakley diving and battling for rebounds. Guys like Ewing rising like eagles for bounds' blocks and hook-shots. Guys like Starks raising their arms in the air and kissing the Garden floor. We use to have heart, NY use to have heart. But now the game that is in NY is totally soiled. None of those players besides the rookies care. They have their money, so what does it matter now? Players like Francis are now what our front office are after. Isiah Thomas is trying to build a dynasty outta a sandbox. Its like Isiah Thomas is the little kid running around the house prank calling random people on the phone while James Dolan is the teenage girl babysitter who rather than watching the little kid is on the phone with a girlfriend....ok that was bad but hey I tried lol

Point is that what NY use to be proud of in their basketball game is GONE and DEAD. It'd be great if it was back, but its at a point right now that even if I try to imagine it being back, I cant. Money is power my friends, money is power.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hustler:</div><div class="quote_post">Francis is the cancer not marbury.</div>
Because the Knicks where really heading to the finals before Francis right?
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">Because the Knicks where really heading to the finals before Francis right?</div>

No because the Knicks are worse with Francis and Francis is clearly a worser teammate than Marbury.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tha CTown Knick:</div><div class="quote_post">No because the Knicks are worse with Francis and Francis is clearly a worser teammate than Marbury.</div>
The Knicks where bad before Francis, and their still bad. If anything you can call both Francis and Marbury cancers, but you can?t say Francis is a cancer while Marbury is not. How is Francis a ?worser? teammate? Because he is 28 a former three time all star, and said if he does no start next year on one of the worst teams in the league he would like to be traded? Marbury has a lot more quotable sound bits that hurt his team than Francis. I am not trying to defend Francis, but like I said before if anything their both cancers.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">The Knicks where bad before Francis, and their still bad. If anything you can call both Francis and Marbury cancers, but you can?t say Francis is a cancer while Marbury is not. How is Francis a ?worser? teammate? Because he is 28 a former three time all star, and said if he does no start next year on one of the worst teams in the league he would like to be traded? Marbury has a lot more quotable sound bits that hurt his team than Francis. I am not trying to defend Francis, but like I said before if anything their both cancers.</div>

Not just that, but the fact that he just came to this team and he's already complaining. He hasn't proved himself on THIS TEAM at all to complain about a starting spot. And if you watch them both play at seperate times or together on the court in a game, you know Francis is more selfish. He takes the ball, makes a move and drives. Marbury tries to set things up atleast. Ask Kurt Thomas of the Suns how many points he got from Marbury's pick-n-roll set-ups, or ask Frye that, who especially should be thanfull because he can only take that jumper at this point in his career.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tha CTown Knick:</div><div class="quote_post">Ask Kurt Thomas of the Suns how many points he got from Marbury's pick-n-roll set-ups, or ask Frye that, who especially should be thanfull because he can only take that jumper at this point in his career.</div>
Kurt Thomas actually talked bad about Marbury in an article earlier this season. Not denying the fact that Francis is a ball hog, but there is a difference between being a ball hog, and being a cancer. Francis may not have proved anything to the Knicks, but with the credentials he has (three time all star) and his age he has a right to be complaining about coming off the bench. Especially when Larry Brown said he would be a full time starter. Plus he did not even speak ill of the Knicks he simple stated if he does not start next year he would like to be else where. If he was on a championship contending team, and was complaining then I can understand, but why would he want to come off the bench on a team that has the worst record in the league.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">Kurt Thomas actually talked bad about Marbury in an article earlier this season. Not denying the fact that Francis is a ball hog, but there is a difference between being a ball hog, and being a cancer. Francis may not have proved anything to the Knicks, but with the credentials he has (three time all star) and his age he has a right to be complaining about coming off the bench. Especially when Larry Brown said he would be a full time starter. Plus he did not even speak ill of the Knicks he simple stated if he does not start next year he would like to be else where. If he was on a championship contending team, and was complaining then I can understand, but why would he want to come off the bench on a team that has the worst record in the league.</div>

Larry Brown says many things and not all of them happen. Also, yes hes a 3-time all-star but I think if Marbury SHOULD've been an all-star more than once. The dude averaged 20-8 almost every year and a lot of all-star game is about is high stats or something of that sort...either that or showcasing skills that the crowd will appreciate. Francis had the ability to soar and his stats were pretty good so he got voted on. Marbury had better overall numbers in my opinion and he also has skills to showcase though dunking is not of them. And if he is talking about next year, then why not wait till' next year to talk about this? Or even the off-season. If he knows how bad this team is and how bad of a transition this is for the Knicks, why mention it now? It only causes more tension and bad sense in the clubhouse. If he wants to be on this team and wants to help out and be a leader, he shouldn't bring this up especially after just becoming a member of the squad. Doesn't look good.

Oh and about KT, I know the stuff he said, but he can shut his mouth up because he knows that if it wasn't for Marbury he wouldn't have had half of those field goals go in, even more.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tha CTown Knick:</div><div class="quote_post">Larry Brown says many things and not all of them happen. Also, yes hes a 3-time all-star but I think if Marbury SHOULD've been an all-star more than once. The dude averaged 20-8 almost every year and a lot of all-star game is about is high stats or something of that sort...either that or showcasing skills that the crowd will appreciate. Francis had the ability to soar and his stats were pretty good so he got voted on. Marbury had better overall numbers in my opinion and he also has skills to showcase though dunking is not of them. And if he is talking about next year, then why not wait till' next year to talk about this? Or even the off-season. If he knows how bad this team is and how bad of a transition this is for the Knicks, why mention it now? It only causes more tension and bad sense in the clubhouse. If he wants to be on this team and wants to help out and be a leader, he shouldn't bring this up especially after just becoming a member of the squad. Doesn't look good.

Oh and about KT, I know the stuff he said, but he can shut his mouth up because he knows that if it wasn't for Marbury he wouldn't have had half of those field goals go in, even more.</div>


Again not questioning Marbury's talent simply that you cannot call Francis a cancer, and let Marbury off the hook. marbury's on going fued with Larry Brown has been much worse for the club house, and the fact that he has so much tension with his teammates (the near fight with Richardson) makes him just as much if not a bigger cancer than Francis who all he did was state that he wants to start next year. A three time all star should not be asked to come off the bench on a last place team he is completely justified in saying what he said. I'm not trying to turn this into a who is better Marbury or Francis thing. I am just stating that Marbury is just as much of a/if not more of a cancer to the Knicks locker room then Francis.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">Again not questioning Marbury's talent simply that you cannot call Francis a cancer, and let Marbury off the hook. marbury's on going fued with Larry Brown has been much worse for the club house, and the fact that he has so much tension with his teammates (the near fight with Richardson) makes him just as much if not a bigger cancer than Francis who all he did was state that he wants to start next year. A three time all star should not be asked to come off the bench on a last place team he is completely justified in saying what he said. I'm not trying to turn this into a who is better Marbury or Francis thing. I am just stating that Marbury is just as much of a/if not more of a cancer to the Knicks locker room then Francis.</div>

Agreed somewhat, but if the Coach wants to bench him then he has to deal with it he is getting his money right and he obviously doesn't care when he's playing so whats the big deal? If he wants to play so badly then he should show he cares on the court. I dont care if you are a 3-time all-star, a 3-time MVP, or a benchwarmer whatever the coach tells you you listen because Team>Me.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">The Knicks where bad before Francis, and their still bad. If anything you can call both Francis and Marbury cancers, but you can?t say Francis is a cancer while Marbury is not. How is Francis a ?worser? teammate? Because he is 28 a former three time all star, and said if he does no start next year on one of the worst teams in the league he would like to be traded? Marbury has a lot more quotable sound bits that hurt his team than Francis. I am not trying to defend Francis, but like I said before if anything their both cancers.</div>


Marbury makes his big men better, Francis does not. Watch the Knicks play before you want post, atleast have an analysis.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Marbury makes his big men better, Francis does not. Watch the Knicks play before you want post, atleast have an analysis.</div>

That's what Im trying to say, Marbury atleast does something as a teammate while Francis does nearly nothing.
 
Yeah, Francis is actually whining to be in the starting lineup.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tha CTown Knick:</div><div class="quote_post">That's what Im trying to say, Marbury atleast does something as a teammate while Francis does nearly nothing.</div>

Exactly.

Whenever Marbury uses the pick and roll he always passes it to Taylor, Fyre, Kurt Thomas, Keith Van Horn, Malik Rose....any jumpshooting big man...Marbury excutes the play. He tries to create ball movement.


Francis doesn't do that.

He dribbles, dribbles, dribbles, and some more, uses the pick and roll for his own jumpshot, not his teammate.

This is why Francis holds back his big men from reaching full potential, he dominates the ball, turns it over, and misses alot of mid range shots.

Marbury isn't the answer either, but to say he's a cancer is ridiculous.

I feel like trading everyone really, I'm sick of this team, and I don't want to see anyone brought by Isiah's transactions on this roster again.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Exactly.

Whenever Marbury uses the pick and roll he always passes it to Taylor, Fyre, Kurt Thomas, Keith Van Horn, Malik Rose....any jumpshooting big man...Marbury excutes the play. He tries to create ball movement.


Francis doesn't do that.

He dribbles, dribbles, dribbles, and some more, uses the pick and roll for his own jumpshot, not his teammate.

This is why Francis holds back his big men from reaching full potential, he dominates the ball, turns it over, and misses alot of mid range shots.

Marbury isn't the answer either, but to say he's a cancer is ridiculous.

I feel like trading everyone really, I'm sick of this team, and I don't want to see anyone brought by Isiah's transactions on this roster again.</div>

I remember one time Francis had the ball and he told Curry to set a pick for him. Curry was mad about this because he thought he had made good space to post-up and was told to move over and set a pick for Francis, then Francis didn't really use the pick and missed the field goal after calling Curry out for no reason.
 
Well, Francis is being poorly executed, in my opinion. We know Francis is capable of putting up 20 points a game, but not midseason playing 25 minutes per game. He seems confused, which is understandable playing under Larry Brown in midseason. One thing Francis is good at is running the break. He and Marbury show great chemistry in transition, but the problem is Brown, for some reason, discourages running on the fastbreak. To tell you the truth, we should really be winning with our offense instead of our defense. We're not a great defensive team and never will be with this set of players. So, I think Brown has to adjust to the players rather than the other way around.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, Francis is being poorly executed, in my opinion. We know Francis is capable of putting up 20 points a game, but not midseason playing 25 minutes per game. He seems confused, which is understandable playing under Larry Brown in midseason. One thing Francis is good at is running the break. He and Marbury show great chemistry in transition, but the problem is Brown, for some reason, discourages running on the fastbreak. To tell you the truth, we should really be winning with our offense instead of our defense. We're not a great defensive team and never will be with this set of players. So, I think Brown has to adjust to the players rather than the other way around.</div>

Yeah thats a good point. But all Im saying is that I think we have the wrong people in command.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hustler:</div><div class="quote_post">I miss Allan Houston.</div>

Me too...
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I liked the Knick at the beginnng of the season, they looked good on paper. But a couple things messed it up. First off, why in THE HELL, would you trade your lone veteran, and solid PF Antonio Davis. Especially on a young team. Then, I noticed that your rookies brought in alot of positive energy off the bench. I remember seeing a Knick game where they were down by alot, then Brown brought in the three rookies, and they brought the team back. But when the game got close, he took them out again
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(and they lost). Third, why would you even think about gettin Steve Francis when you don't even have a true Shooting guard. You could have atleast explored other possibilities. But Isiah went after Stevie like he was the answer to all the problems. A bunch of bad moves plagued this team.
 
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