Isn?t it time to end the prohibition of marijuana?

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I still would like to know the positives of drinking mavsfan.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Oct 30 2006, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I still would like to know the positives of drinking mavsfan.</div>It makes fat ugly girls, skinny and pretty.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Oct 31 2006, 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I still would like to know the positives of drinking mavsfan.</div>1. Makes eating more enjoyable2. Makes music more enjoyable3. Makes you more relaxed and more exciteable. 4. It's out of your system fast.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>It makes fat ugly girls, skinny and pretty.</div>
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I should have saw that coming. But really, where I see this ending up is whether or not mavsfan would have been for ending the prohibition of alcohol had he lived during that time. If he is, then that's bias right there, because just like alcohol, there are people out there who can smoke weed and not be drastically effected. One who favors a certain poison over another, to where they bash the other is contradictary imo. I personally feel each are more negative then positive, but one is legal and the other not. I can see where the pro-marijuana smokers have a point.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>1. Makes eating more enjoyable2. Makes music more enjoyable3. Makes you more relaxed and more exciteable. 4. It's out of your system fast.I just talked to my dad about pot and he is a doctor. He said that pot is proven to cause chromosomal damage and that the IQ drops from taking it.</div>Makes stuff more enjoyable huh? What kind of positive is that. I don't need a beer to be more enjoyable. Saves me from having any liver problems down the line also. The stuff you listed can be said for anything people love to crave. How about positives that outweigh the negatives?In addition, those listed reasons can be attributed to pot smoking as well. Pot smokers say pot makes stuff more enjoyable. How about beer affecting one's IQ as well. Why do people stumble walking a line test or stutter?
 
I just talked to my dad about pot and he is a doctor. He said that pot is proven to cause chromosomal damage and that the IQ drops from taking it. Anything with long term effects like this I don't want apart of.
 
[quote name='ReppinTheD' post='186740' date='Oct 30 2006, 06:00 PM']You dont get sober for 24 hours when you're drunk[/quote]Uhh, I don't think I've ever been inebriated for 24 hours.[quote name='1331' post='186763' date='Oct 30 2006, 06:13 PM']I'm just telling from my own years of research - pot is OK!!![/quote]Give me some of your insightful articles, websites, and experiments.[quote name='Rok' post='186794' date='Oct 30 2006, 06:32 PM']Makes stuff more enjoyable huh? What kind of positive is that. I don't need a beer to be more enjoyable.[/quote]I don't need salt to make my food more tasty, but I like it. I don't get your point.[quote name='Rok' post='186794' date='Oct 30 2006, 06:32 PM']Saves me from having any liver problems down the line also. The stuff you listed can be said for anything people love to crave. How about positives that outweigh the negatives?[/quote]I can't imagine that people would get liver damage from casual drinking. I don't think it's like anything. Sure, chocolate can make people relaxed and so can a beer, that doesn't make it the same feeling.[quote name='Rok' post='186794' date='Oct 30 2006, 06:32 PM']In addition, those listed reasons can be attributed to pot smoking as well. Pot smokers say pot makes stuff more enjoyable.[/quote]That's true. I'm fine with people saying they are similar. I don't believe pot is safe. I don't care if people smoke it, but stop acting like it's completely safe, a miracle drug, and so on. It's not. It has its negatives just like any drug (legal or illegal) does.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Oct 30 2006, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I just talked to my dad about pot and he is a doctor. He said that pot is proven to cause chromosomal damage and that the IQ drops from taking it. Anything with long term effects like this I don't want apart of.</div>And alcohol does not have similar negative long term effects? Obviously people who smoke weed 24/7 will suffer in the long run at some point, but the same goes for alcoholics.
 
Not even close when it comes to long term effects if you are a casual drinker compared to a casual pot smoker. Most people fit into these categories.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Oct 30 2006, 07:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I just talked to my dad about pot and he is a doctor. He said that pot is proven to cause chromosomal damage and that the IQ drops from taking it. Anything with long term effects like this I don't want apart of.</div>I'm sorry, but that is just stupid. Pot does not lower your IQ...your IQ can't be dropped lol...and to Justice, about the 24 hour thing - I was quoting what Mavsfan said.
 
My Dad is an MD. You would think he has done his research since he's gone to medical school. Stop believing about pot what you want to believe and face the truth. It is illegal and it could be laced are risk as well to not smoke.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Oct 30 2006, 07:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>My Dad is an MD. You would think he has done his research since he's gone to medical school. Stop believing about pot what you want to believe and face the truth. It is illegal and it could be laced are risk as well to not smoke.</div>Just because he is a doctor does not mean he is an expert about pot (not trying to question his intelligence or anything)... unless he wrote his thesis on pot or something. And I have a hard time believing pot lowers your IQ (unless of course we're talking about people who smoke 24/7, but then again drinking 24/7 lowers your IQ as well) because some of the smartest people I know smoke pot every once in a while. And no, pot is not addicting... cigarettes and alcohol are more addicting than pot is, in my opinion, and both of those have worse effects than pot does. Again, we're talking about casual smokers and drinkers, because there is arguing that heavy smokers and heavy drinkers will suffer severely.Alcohol is just as bad as weed is for a person. The only difference between the two is that one is legal and one isn't, but it might as well be.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>People do far stupider under the influence of alcohol. I?ve never heard of anyone blacking out on weed, or trying to fight every patron in a bar because of weed. Ask a cop if they would rather deal with a stoned person or a drunk. Every cop I know says stoned and don?t even think twice about it.</div>My dad is a cop, He told me one time that every time he deals with a person that is high they are usually calm and peaceful. When he deals with a drunk they always scream and yell. Most of the time wanting to fight.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ Oct 31 2006, 02:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>My dad is a cop, He told me one time that every time he deals with a person that is high they are usually calm and peaceful. When he deals with a drunk they always scream and yell. Most of the time wanting to fight.</div>Yeah obvious. I'm talking about the long term effects. What a cop wants and the long term effects of a user are definitely opposites. Maybe some hard drugs don't make you angry either but that doesn't mean anything to its negative effects internally.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Oct 30 2006, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Makes eating more enjoyable2. Makes music more enjoyable3. Makes you more relaxed and more exciteable. 4. It's out of your system fast.</div><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Other than #4, weed does the same.</span>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Oct 30 2006, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>some of the smartest people I know smoke pot every once in a while.</div>Well thank you.First let me say I would never suggest marijuana is totally harmless. Anything smoked can cause problems. I also notice that when I smoke excessively it messes my short term memory up, but after a few days smoke free ? I?m A-O-K. I?ve found that for me marijuana is far less additive then caffeine. I can go weeks without a toke and never miss it, but if I don?t get my morning coffee YOU HAD BETTER STAY THE HELL OUT OF MY WAY!!!I?m also very frightened of addiction, as I have some family that battle addiction every day, I actually give up pot and caffeine every spring, usually for 3-4 months. Last year I gave them both up March first and fired up the coffee maker and my glass bowl on Memorial day weekend.As has been mentioned in this thread doing anything 24/7 is harmful. I know a ton of people who smoke occasionally and don?t know why us otherwise law abiding citizens should have to break the law to enjoy marijuana in the privacy of our own homes. I rarely smoke more than 2-3 puffs at a time. I mean I don?t get all blazed out and sit on the couch. I smoke enough to take the edge off. Here?s what I?ve found with regards to people doing stupid sh*t while stoned or drunk.Stupid people do stupid sh*t. They don?t need marijuana or booze as a catalyst. Alcohol can make shy, normal, calm, rational people do stupid sh*t. Marijuana has never ever caused me to do anything that I wouldn?t do straight. Booze certainly exacerbates stupidity and I suppose marijuana could as well, I?m not sure as I?ve never shared a joint with a stupid person. Again I want to say I?m not condoning marijuana usage or advertising for it. If you choose not to smoke that?s great ? more for me. What about marijuana?s medical benefits? For aids and cancer patients marijuana is a sleep aid, an appetite booster, brings peace of mind. It is also a great anit depressant and anti anxiety. I had an anxiety attack last year (I thought I was having a heart attack.) They gave me Xanax and told me to chill. I took the Xanax and the effects were the EXACT same as having one or two puffs on a joint.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Illosophee @ Oct 30 2006, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Other than #4, weed does the same.</span></div> Although residual THC may linger in the blood stream longer, the effects of marijuana pass in a few hours.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I don't need salt to make my food more tasty, but I like it. I don't get your point.</div> I just think it's a redundant point. Making stuff enjoyable is such a weak reason to tell me alcohol is a positive. Just like you said with salt, the statement can be connected with so many other things. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think it's like anything. Sure, chocolate can make people relaxed and so can a beer, that doesn't make it the same feeling.</div> Since when did it have to be a specific feeling for something to match up with his list? Chocolate can fit 1-4 on that list. Does it have the same feeling as a beer, no but when did I say it did?
 
We'll make a deal. You can smoke your pot and I'll stick with only drinking. Deal? They both have their negatives in different ways. Alcohol more short term and marijuana more long term.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Oct 31 2006, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We'll make a deal. You can smoke your pot and I'll stick with only drinking. Deal? They both have their negatives in different ways. Alcohol more short term and marijuana more long term.</div>Listen to yourself man...you're trying to make an even deal and you still want to say Alcohol is better for you than marijuana. Stop being so biased, because Weed only has long term affects if you smoke it a lot! (and the these long term affects aren't from the marijuana itself, it's from the normal affects of smoking; smoking anything that includes smoke ruins your lungs) No one has ever died of smoking pot...people HAVE died from drinking alcohol, about 80,000 deaths are Alcohol related per year! Also, Alcohol ruins your liver...and that is long term.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Oct 31 2006, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Listen to yourself man...you're trying to make an even deal and you still want to say Alcohol is better for you than marijuana. Stop being so biased, because Weed only has long term affects if you smoke it a lot! (and the these long term affects aren't from the marijuana itself, it's from the normal affects of smoking; smoking anything that includes smoke ruins your lungs) No one has ever died of smoking pot...people HAVE died from drinking alcohol, about 80,000 deaths are Alcohol related per year! Also, Alcohol ruins your liver...and that is long term.</div>Alcohol only effects your liver if you get drunk all the time. Pot makes you stupid. What's worse than that is you don't see it coming but it slowly adds up for how long you take it. What else do I expect from a pot smoker. Your arguments are only what alcohol can do if you totally abuse it which there are a ton of people who drink and have no problems.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Oct 31 2006, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Alcohol only effects your liver if you get drunk all the time. Pot makes you stupid. What's worse than that is you don't see it coming but it slowly adds up for how long you take it. What else do I expect from a pot smoker. Your arguments are only what alcohol can do if you totally abuse it which there are a ton of people who drink and have no problems.</div>And there are a ton of people who smoke and have no problems... :happy0144:
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>We'll make a deal. You can smoke your pot and I'll stick with only drinking. Deal? They both have their negatives in different ways. Alcohol more short term and marijuana more long term.</div> Is that deal with Satan? I do neither, so I don't really care if you choose to drink or smoke. But I'm just tired of the bias both sides have in terms of which is better and their effects. I think it's ridiculous if you put one on a higher pedestal then another.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Oct 31 2006, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Alcohol only effects your liver if you get drunk all the time. Pot makes you stupid. What's worse than that is you don't see it coming but it slowly adds up for how long you take it. What else do I expect from a pot smoker. Your arguments are only what alcohol can do if you totally abuse it which there are a ton of people who drink and have no problems.</div>Just to let you know, I smoke rarely...the last time I have smoked was maybe two months ago. So if you were some how trying to call me stupid, I don't appreciate that. and how is my argument showing only what alcohol can do...I clearly said that marijuana causes problems because of the actual smoking of it can cause Lung Cancer.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Oct 31 2006, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I just think it's a redundant point. Making stuff enjoyable is such a weak reason to tell me alcohol is a positive. Just like you said with salt, the statement can be connected with so many other things.</div>The way you said it made it sound invalid rather than redundant. I don't understand how comparing it to salt makes the point invalid either.You basically said that you don't need to drink. My point was, so what? Do you not partake in anything you don't need? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Oct 31 2006, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Since when did it have to be a specific feeling for something to match up with his list? Chocolate can fit 1-4 on that list. Does it have the same feeling as a beer, no but when did I say it did?</div>I didn't say you did, Jesus Christ. You said it like he was making some kind of vague reference that doesn't make any sense. You know full well that the feeling of alcohol is different from other things, but you give him sh*t like it isn't a valid reason. I guess you're right, it's not positive for people to enjoy life. I'm so silly!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Nov 1 2006, 04:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just to let you know, I smoke rarely...the last time I have smoked was maybe two months ago. So if you were some how trying to call me stupid, I don't appreciate that. and how is my argument showing only what alcohol can do...I clearly said that marijuana causes problems because of the actual smoking of it can cause Lung Cancer.</div>No I didn't mean to call you stupid. I meant that it makes sense that you are defending your bad habit but I guess if you do it once every 2 months than you won't have much effects from it. If you smoke once a day that is different.
 
Great. So we all agree the prohibition of marijuana is senseless and should be ended? Should it be legal, not is it harmful.Should it be legal and if so what restrictions, if any?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (1331 @ Nov 1 2006, 07:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Great. So we all agree the prohibition of marijuana is senseless and should be ended? Should it be legal, not is it harmful.Should it be legal and if so what restrictions, if any?</div>I think we should adopt laws similar to Canada's.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I guess you're right, it's not positive for people to enjoy life. I'm so silly!</div> I conceed to the Justice system. I wrote off mavsfan's response for alcohol being a positive because I just think there was no thought put into it. It was like the equivalent of someone giving an explanation to something they like by stating, "It's good." I expected more of a thought out response for alcohol being a positive. I guess enjoying it is all that needs to be said. :dunno:
 
Explain. Canada has legalized small amounts for personal usage? Is that correct? That is what I would like to see happen here. Small amounts for personal usage, no smoking in public, no driving stoned. I would also like to be able to grow a plant or two. Heck one plant a year would be more than I would ever use.
 
guys, this is all you need to know.god made marijuana, man made beer.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (1331 @ Nov 1 2006, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Explain. Canada has legalized small amounts for personal usage? Is that correct? That is what I would like to see happen here. Small amounts for personal usage, no smoking in public, no driving stoned. I would also like to be able to grow a plant or two. Heck one plant a year would be more than I would ever use.</div>yeah, I've heard that the cops just don't make a big deal out of it. I don't know if it's written down anywhere, but normally cops don't arrest you unless they find a scale or you have a shitload.
 
It is legal to carry up to 1 gram of marijuana in Denver for personal use... they might as well make that law here in Austin as well, because everybody smokes it.
 
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