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Lanny said:
Me too. I've chosen to withhold my tongue lashings from my wheelchair although I do reserve the right to unload on transgressors with my rubber band gun. Ruthless? Yes, but sometimes you gotta lay down the law.
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Chris Craig said:
I think he is just wondering what you meant when you said you wanted people voting for local leaders not national. I saw that too and wondered about it. No judgment. For the sake of conversation just wondering if you could clarify. I think that is what @theprunetang was asking. I don't think he was trying to attack you.
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Not how it read to me at all, but I could be wrong. Its only text and the internet after all. But he did try to point out something without even asking a question to help better understand. He simply made a statement that it seems hypocritical. Took a stance and basically came to a conclusion without investigating or inquiring further.
 
theprunetang said:
You say you are for freedom of choice but don't want the people to be able to choose their leader. This is coming out very hypocritically. The bullshit meter is going up to 11 here.
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theprunetang said:
Not attacking anyone. I wouldn't respond to him if I didn't like him. If we, the people are not electing leaders on a national scale, then do we really have freedom of choice? I think that is a valid question. Instead our friend keeps thinking I'm making assumptions and being political and judgmental.
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Id read again. You didn't ask a question. You assumed and went with it.

My responses would have been much different if you would have asked, instead of stated. Tell me how that isn't a judgmental statement and is asking a question?
 
Orion Bailey said:
Sorry, but this also doesnt add up.

Then we are all hypocritical when we vote laws in to wear seatbelts.

I mean what IS freedom of choice?

I stand by my stance. This is nonsense and nitpicking just to nitpick.

When we get down to it. NONE of us have complete freedom of choice on all matters. So the hypocritical statement is foundationally slippery.

Let me put it another way. Are you for the freedom of choice for one to convict a murderer? IM not. If someone has commited murder and been found guilty, there should not be a choice in whether that person has punishment coming or not. There can be a choice as to what type of punishment, but punishment should not be a choice. The public should not be able to choose whether a child molestor is set free or not.


There are asterisks in life.


To try to call me out as a hypocrite because I said I don't believe in freedom of choice for one small thing is hypocritical in its own right considering none of us have complete freedom of choice and we are fine with it.

do you have the freedom of choice to not get a ticket for speeding? You have a freedom of choice to speed, but that freedom will be taken away if you do it too many times. You have a choice to steal a car and continue to speed, but then that choice will be taken away as well eventually.


So I don't understand this calling me out as a hypocrite for this.

To me this is just more virtue signalling so someone can seem better than another, rather than just having a discussion.
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Let's forget about questionable analogies that have nothing to do with what we are talking about. This is straight talk, with no diversions from the subject at hand. I personally find your thoughts on this subject matter to be inane and dangerous. Then again, you have the freedom of choice to believe this. And I haven't made up anything. I'm just using your words. Either your words mean something or they don't.
 
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theprunetang said:
If one says that, then it goes by logic and ALL reasonable comprehension that you are not for freedom of choice when it comes to electing candidates on a national scale. Who is the one being unreasonable here? You are better than this.
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Read above. Not gonna go round and round. You started out making assumptions. Not asking questions.
 
theprunetang said:
Let's forget about questionable analogies that have nothing to do with what we are talking about. This is straight talk, with no diversions from the subject at hand. I personally find your thoughts on this subject matter to be inane and dangerous. Then again, you have the freedom of choice to believe this. And I haven't made up anything. I'm just using your words. Either your words mean something or they don't.
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My words mean nothing. Id move on., Nothign to see here since you fail to see how your first statement in fact was not a question as you insinuated, but rather a judgment based off of one statement without any further investigation into that statement.
 
theprunetang said:
It's not being judgemental to read someone's written words, and assume they meant them.
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But its incorrect to go back and state you were asking a question.

And yes it is being judgemental without inquiring how I come to that conclusion or if your judgement even entails all of my thoughts on the matter.

You were absolutely being judgmental.. Whether you are aware of it or not. The fact you think you asked a question kinda proves that.

Its all good. I'm already over it. But also know coming here and posting was just another mistake. The outcome never changes...
 
theprunetang said:
Not attacking anyone. I wouldn't respond to him if I didn't like him. If we, the people are not electing leaders on a national scale, then do we really have freedom of choice? I think that is a valid question. Instead our friend keeps thinking I'm making assumptions and being political and judgmental.
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I agree it is a valid question and one worthy of discussion. I would say if we do not play a part in electing our leaders on a national level it does strike at the core of our freedom. I agree with OB that we don't have as much freedom of choice as we might think. But, letting more go would work only to minimize our freedom.

I think refiguring the EC by giving all states the same representational power would be the most effective action, but as it has been said in this very thread, that wont happen because smaller states want to keep their advantage. They won't give up.
 
Chris Craig said:
I agree it is a valid question and one worthy of discussion. I would say if we do not play a part in electing our leaders on a national level it does strike at the core of our freedom. I agree with OB that we don't have as much freedom of choice as we might think. But, letting more go would work only to minimize our freedom.

I think refiguring the EC by giving all states the same representational power would be the most effective action, but as it has been said in this very thread, that wont happen because smaller states want to keep their advantage. They won't give up.
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WTF? Are all of you blind? Lol. He didn't ask a question!!!!!! He made a statement thinking its hypocritical.

I swear this place truly has reading challenges or some people purposefully dismiss things that are right there in order to continue to tow on thier... whatevers.....
 
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You say you are for freedom of choice but don't want the people to be able to choose their leader. This is coming out very hypocritically. The bullshit meter is going up to 11 here.
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Not attacking anyone. I wouldn't respond to him if I didn't like him. If we, the people are not electing leaders on a national scale, then do we really have freedom of choice? I think that is a valid question. Instead our friend keeps thinking I'm making assumptions and being political and judgmental.


Where is the question I was asked?


I mean really. WTF...
 
Orion Bailey said:
But its incorrect to go back and state you were asking a question.

And yes it is being judgemental without inquiring how I come to that conclusion or if your judgement even entails all of my thoughts on the matter.

You were absolutely being judgmental.. Whether you are aware of it or not. The fact you think you asked a question kinda proves that.

Its all good. I'm already over it. But also know coming here and posting was just another mistake. The outcome never changes...
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Ok. There was some assuming and some judgment based on what you had written. I am trying to take the step that should have been taken. Can you clarify what you mean, so no one is left to assume.
 
Orion Bailey said:
But its incorrect to go back and state you were asking a question.

And yes it is being judgemental without inquiring how I come to that conclusion or if your judgement even entails all of my thoughts on the matter.

You were absolutely being judgmental.. Whether you are aware of it or not. The fact you think you asked a question kinda proves that.

Its all good. I'm already over it. But also know coming here and posting was just another mistake. The outcome never changes...
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I didn't say I asked a question. Chris Craig did.
 
Orion Bailey said:
WTF? Are all of you blind? Lol. He didn't ask a question!!!!!! He made a statement thinking its hypocritical.

I swear this place truly has reading challenges or some people purposefully dismiss things that are right there in order to continue to tow on thier... whatevers.....
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He asked me a question in that post. Maybe it wasn't asked before that. It was asked of me and I answered.
 
But that is all semantics anyways, and we are arguing over vocabulary, when that doesn't mean a damned thing. I am done talking to you about this because you can't even talk about it.
 
I know we aren't supposed to call out other posters but when a person who called me hateful and disgusting in those exact words says others are being judgmental, something doesn't add up.
 
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Chris Craig said:
Ok. There was some assuming and some judgment based on what you had written. I am trying to take the step that should have been taken. Can you clarify what you mean, so no one is left to assume.
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Over it and moved on. When someone says i'm playing victim in the face of the FACT that it was shown he didn't ask a question like he insinuates... this is just a circus. And proves to me there is nothing to learn here from those who are involving themselves in this conversation when they cant even admit they never asked a question but made a judgemental statement.


A couple small words changes everything. Instead of saying it seems hypcritical to me, I would have asked if it seems hypocritical. That would show a bit of respect worthy of a respectable reply.
 
crandc said:
I know we aren't supposed to call out other posters but when a person who called me hateful and disgusting in those exact words says others are being judgmental, something doesn't add up.
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Who did that? Are you saying it was me? Care to quote it? or just making thing up to jump on the bandwagon?
 
Orion Bailey said:
Over it and moved on. When someone says i'm playing victim in the face of the FACT that it was shown he didn't ask a question like he insinuates... this is just a circus. And proves to me there is nothing to learn here from those who are involving themselves in this conversation when they cant even admit they never asked a question but made a judgemental statement.


A couple small words changes everything. Instead of saying it seems hypcritical to me, I would have asked if it seems hypocritical. That would show a bit of respect worthy of a respectable reply.
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Well I am asking the question because you are my friend and I am curious. I want to have the conversation. But, if you don't I understand.
 
theprunetang said:
Bottom line is that most republican leaning voters only like the idea of the EC because it benefits their side in Presidential elections.
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Bottom line is you made a statement and then said you asked a question and then said im playing victim because of it.

Whatever.....
 
Chris Craig said:
Well I am asking the question because you are my friend and I am curious. I want to have the conversation. But, if you don't I understand.
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Anytime with you. Just in private. Not gonna sit here and feed the frenzy.
 
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