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barfo said:
Mirror in the bathroom
Please talk free
The door is locked
Just you and me.

Can I take you to a restaurant
That's got glass tables
You can watch yourself
While you are eating.

Mirror in the bathroom
I just can't stop it,
Every Saturday you see me
Window shopping.
Find no interest
In the racks and shelves
Just ten thousand reflections
Of my own sweet self, self, self...

barfo
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Great album....that reverb sax that follows the lyric here is great
 
Orion Bailey said:
why dont you leave my name out of your posts?

you never provide a link or quote, you have insinuated i sad things ive never said but you wont own up to calling tortured a mysoginist be ause he didnt agree with your opinion.
Ive been nothing but nice and honest to you. Mailed you a Blazers shirt even. And all you do is talk crap without any evidence...
Just leave my name out of your mouth and posts please....

take your slander and go join that other guy who regularly makes false accusations.
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Excuse me, I cited what you said.

I was really shocked when you attacked me earlier because I thought we were on good terms despite disagreements.
 
Orion Bailey said:
since when is saying “grab em by the pussy” sexual assault?

nothing could hold me back from trying to stop a sexual assault either.

i think your stuffing is missing some ingredients to be properly called sexual assault.

if i said i want to kill people doesn't make me a murderer.

some people must be yoga instructors to like this stretch....
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Trump admitted to grabbing women by the pussy without their permission. That is sexual assault. He admitted to it. That's not like saying I want to kill people, that would be like if he said I have killed people or I kill people, I don't even ask permission.
 
riverman said:
60 minutes....still haven't watched it....saw Trump walk out on youtube clip but I've had enough of that fucker....if anything this era can be credited for bringing about the need for massive govt change and the end of partisan politics as we know them...Joe talked about appointing a republican to a cabinet position, something that never happens in DC
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President Obama appointed Republicans to his cabinet.
 
crandc said:
Excuse me, I cited what you said.

I was really shocked when you attacked me earlier because I thought we were on good terms despite disagreements.
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please provide a link or take it back. I know exactly what you are refering to and are mistaken or you read it incorrectly.
Please post it if thsts what you think i said.
Quote me. Dont cite me.
I never called you disgusting.
I said it was disgusting how you called tortured a mysoginist because he didnt agree with a take of yours.
And i stand by my words. It was disgusting. Thats not the same as calling you disgusting.

i thought we were on good terms too until recently. Its obvious youve had an issue with me but wouldn't address it. Instead post slanderous posts about me instead of asking me to clarify if you thought i said what i said.
Honestly ive been taken aback by what you have said about me based on a fallacy you havent been willing or wanting to figure out or clarify.
Anyhow. If you want to go back and reread what i said id be happy to search it out for you aNd show you where you misunderstood what was said.
 
Chris Craig said:
Trump admitted to grabbing women by the pussy without their permission. That is sexual assault. He admitted to it. That's not like saying I want to kill people, that would be like if he said I have killed people or I kill people, I don't even ask permission.
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is there a link to this that is not a left wing spin? Ive searched several times over the last year. Anything written on this os far left. Like the independent.
 
Orion Bailey said:
is there a link to this that is not a left wing spin? Ive searched several times over the last year. Anything written on this os far left. Like the independent.
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Chris Craig said:
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first the washington post is a left leaning paper.
Second where did he say he tried to physically have sex with her against her will?

a pig? A womanizer? A low life? Sure.
But nothing there states he tried to force sex on someone.
He tried to get her to have sex by taking her shopping. That is not physically forced sex nor is it an assault.
All guys try to gdt thier dates to have sex. By flowers candy wine and dine, It isnt sexual assault.
 
crandc said:
Even if Orion Bailey is right, that Trump only said he wants to sexuality assault women rather than boasting about doing so, which wasn't the case, what kind of person votes for a man who talks about wanting to sexually assault women?
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Because it’s all media lies
 
Here is the full transcript of the conversation:

Warning: the following text includes graphic language
Unknown: "She used to be great, she's still very beautiful."

Trump: "I moved on her actually. You know she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her, and I failed. I'll admit it. I did try and fuck her, she was married."

Unknown: "That's huge news there."

Trump: "No, no, Nancy. No this was [inaudible] and I moved on her very heavily in fact I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said I'll show you where they have some nice furniture. I moved on her like a bitch. I couldn't get there and she was married. Then all-of-a-sudden I see her, she's now got the big phony tits and everything. She's totally changed her look."

Bush: "Your girl's hot as shit. In the purple."

Multiple voices: "Whoah. Yes. Whoah."

Bush: "Yes. The Donald has scored. Whoah my man."

Trump: "Look at you. You are a pussy."

Bush: "You gotta get the thumbs up."

Trump: "Maybe it's a different one."

Bush: "It better not be the publicist. No, it's, it's her."

Trump: "Yeah that's her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."

Bush: "Whatever you want."

Trump: "Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

Bush: "Yeah those legs. All I can see is the legs."

Trump: "It looks good."

Bush: "Come on shorty."

Trump: "Oh nice legs huh."

Bush: "Get out of the way honey. Oh that's good legs. Go ahead."

Trump: "It's always good if you don't fall out of the bus. Like Ford, Gerald Ford, remember?"

[As Mr Trump attempts to leave the vehicle he struggles with the door]

Bush: "Down below, pull the handle."

[Mr Trump exits the bus and greets actress Arianne Zucker]

Trump: "Hello, how are you? Hi."

Zucker: "Hi Mr Trump. How are you?"

Trump: "Nice seeing you. Terrific. Terrific. You know Billy Bush?"

Bush: "Hello nice to see you. How are you doing Arianne?"

Zucker: "I'm doing very well thank you. [Addressing Trump] Are you ready to be a soap star?"

Trump: "We're ready. Let's go. Make me a soap star."

Bush: "How about a little hug for the Donald, he's just off the bus?"

Zucker: "Would you like a little hug darling?"

Trump: "Absolutely. Melania said this was okay."

Bush: "How about a little hug for the Bushy, I just got off the bus? Here we go, here we go. Excellent."

[Mr Bush gesticulates towards Ms Zucker as he turns to Mr Trump]

Bush: "Well you've got a good co-star here."

Trump: "Good. After you. Come on Billy, don't be shy."

Bush: "Soon as a beautiful woman shows up he just, he takes off. This always happens."

Trump: "Get over here, Billy."

Zucker: "I'm sorry, come here."

Bush: "Let the little guy in there. Come on."

Zucker: "Yeah, let the little guy in. How you feel now, better? I should actually be in the middle."

Bush: "It's hard to walk next to a guy like this."

Zucker: "Wait. Hold on."

[Ms Zucker changes position and walks between the two men]

Bush: "Yeah you get in the middle. There we go."

Trump: "Good. That's better."

Zucker: "This is much better."

Trump: "That's better."

Bush: "Now if you had to choose, honestly, between one of us. Me or the Donald, who would it be?"

Trump: "I don't know, that's tough competition."

Zucker: "That's some pressure right there."

Bush: "Seriously, you had to take one of us as a date."

Zucker: "I have to take the Fifth [Amendment of the US Constitution] on that one."

Bush: "Really?"

Zucker: "Yep. I'll take both."

[They reach the end of the corridor]

Trump: "Which way?"

Zucker: "Make a right. Here we go."

Bush: "Here he goes. I'm gonna leave you here. Give me my microphone."

Trump: "Okay. Okay. Oh, you're finished?"

Bush: "You're my man. Yeah."

Trump: "Oh. Good."
 
Orion Bailey said:
first the washington post is a left leaning paper.
Second where did he say he tried to physically have sex with her against her will?

a pig? A womanizer? A low life? Sure.
But nothing there states he tried to force sex on someone.
He tried to get her to have sex by taking her shopping. That is not physically forced sex nor is it an assault.
All guys try to gdt thier dates to have sex. By flowers candy wine and dine, It isnt sexual assault.
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Its his exact words. Its a recording of him. Left leaning, right leaning it doesnt matter.

He said,

"You know I am automatically attracted to beautiful - I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And, when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab em by the pussy. You can do anything"

That is sexual assault. Bush got fired because you can't do and say shit like that. Any other candidates run for president would be done after that. His should have been too.
 
Chris Craig said:
Its his exact words. Its a recording of him. Left leaning, right leaning it doesnt matter.

He said,

"You know I am automatically attracted to beautiful - I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And, when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab em by the pussy. You can do anything"

That is sexual assault. Bush got fired because you can't do and say shit like that. Any other candidates run for president would be done after that. His should have been too.
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do you literally think he walks up to beautiful strange women and kisses them?
Its a figure of speech. Im attracted to beauty as well. I cant help but flirt, however innocent,
Its human nature to be attracted to beauty. Though beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


Are you denying that stars get special privileges?

do you know about the hollywood madam?

Nothing he said is false. Stars get special treatment. Look at sports stars having girls sent to thier rooms.
He didnt say he was a star and he grabs pussys.

bush was fired for saying grab a pussy? And no its not sexual assault per the courts regardless of anyones opinion.

so i just said i can grab a pussy if im a star.
Im gonna be convicted?

we have to stick to facts. Not emotions based on hatred of the president.
It is not sexual assault to state when you are a star you can get away with things. You can just grab a pussy. Thats not sexual assault.
Its disgusting. Its terrible leadership. Its demeaning to upstanding men across the country. But its not sexual assault Nd its not convictable.

we must stick to facts. Not opinions of how bad the words are to each person.
 
Orion Bailey said:
do you literally think he walks up to beautiful strange women and kisses them?
Its a figure of speech. Im attracted to beauty as well. I cant help but flirt, however innocent,
Its human nature to be attracted to beauty. Though beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


Are you denying that stars get special privileges?

do you know about the hollywood madam?

Nothing he said is false. Stars get special treatment. Look at sports stars having girls sent to thier rooms.
He didnt say he was a star and he grabs pussys.

bush was fired for saying grab a pussy? And no its not sexual assault per the courts regardless of anyones opinion.

so i just said i can grab a pussy if im a star.
Im gonna be convicted?

we have to stick to facts. Not emotions based on hatred of the president.
It is not sexual assault to state when you are a star you can get away with things. You can just grab a pussy. Thats not sexual assault.
Its disgusting. Its terrible leadership. Its demeaning to upstanding men across the country. But its not sexual assault Nd its not convictable.

we must stick to facts. Not opinions of how bad the words are to each person.
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What you're describing is what ultimately put Harvey Weinstein in prison.
 
Orion Bailey said:
do you literally think he walks up to beautiful strange women and kisses them?
Its a figure of speech. Im attracted to beauty as well. I cant help but flirt, however innocent,
Its human nature to be attracted to beauty. Though beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


Are you denying that stars get special privileges?

do you know about the hollywood madam?

Nothing he said is false. Stars get special treatment. Look at sports stars having girls sent to thier rooms.
He didnt say he was a star and he grabs pussys.

bush was fired for saying grab a pussy? And no its not sexual assault per the courts regardless of anyones opinion.

so i just said i can grab a pussy if im a star.
Im gonna be convicted?

we have to stick to facts. Not emotions based on hatred of the president.
It is not sexual assault to state when you are a star you can get away with things. You can just grab a pussy. Thats not sexual assault.
Its disgusting. Its terrible leadership. Its demeaning to upstanding men across the country. But its not sexual assault Nd its not convictable.

we must stick to facts. Not opinions of how bad the words are to each person.
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He said he has. Several women came forward to say he had.

Its is sexual assault


"Sexual assault" means any unwanted sexual contact as defined in ORS 163.305 (Definitions). [2001 c.870 §23; 2007 c.71 §40]


ORS 163.305

(1)“Forcible compulsion” means to compel by:

(a)Physical force; or

(b)A threat, express or implied, that places a person in fear of immediate or future death or physical injury to self or another person, or in fear that the person or another person will immediately or in the future be kidnapped.

(2)“Mentally defective” means that a person suffers from a qualifying mental disorder that renders the person incapable of appraising the nature of the conduct of the person.

(3)“Mentally incapacitated” means that a person is rendered incapable of appraising or controlling the conduct of the person at the time of the alleged offense.

(4)“Oral or anal sexual intercourse” means sexual conduct between persons consisting of contact between the sex organs of one person and the mouth or anus of another.

(5)“Physically helpless” means that a person is unconscious or for any other reason is physically unable to communicate unwillingness to an act.

(6)“Sexual contact” means any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person or causing such person to touch the sexual or other intimate parts of the actor for the purpose of arousing or gratifying the sexual desire of either party.

(7)“Sexual intercourse” has its ordinary meaning and occurs upon any penetration, however slight; emission is not required. [1971 c.743 §104; 1975 c.461 §1; 1977 c.844 §1; 1979 c.744 §7; 1983 c.500 §1; 1999 c.949 §1; 2009 c.770 §1; 2017 c.318 §2; 2017 c.634 §17]



Note: Legislative Counsel has substituted “chapter 743, Oregon Laws 1971,” for the words “this Act” in section 104, chapter 743, Oregon Laws 1971, compiled as 163.305 (Definitions). Specific ORS references have not been substituted, pursuant to 173.160 (Powers and duties of Legislative Counsel in preparing editions for publication). These sections may be determined by referring to the 1971 Comparative Section Table located in Volume 22 of ORS.





1 Legislative Counsel Committee, CHAPTER 163—Offenses Against Persons, https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/bills_laws/ors/ors163.html (2019) (last accessed May 16, 2020).

2 Legislative Counsel Committee, Annotations to the Oregon Revised Statutes, Cumulative Supplement - 2019, Chapter 163, https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/bills_laws/ors/ano163.html (2019) (last accessed May 16, 2020).

3 OregonLaws.org assembles these lists by analyzing references between Sections. Each listed item refers back to the current Section in its own text. The result reveals relationships in the code that may not have otherwise been apparent. Currency Information

I dont want to hear about special privileges for stars. Famous men in Hollywood have been sent to prison for these things.

Bush was fired because he was part of that lewd and misogynistic conversation as he should have.
 
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Orion Bailey said:
lol. No its. Ot. Trump tried to force a massage????

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/entertainment-arts-41594672

Come on man. NOt even the same thing....
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Weinstein got in trouble for using his position of power to intimidate women into having sex with him.

That's EXACTLY what Trump is saying in this quote. "You know I am automatically attracted to beautiful - I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And, when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab em by the pussy. You can do anything"
 
Chris Craig said:
He said he has. Several women came forward to say he had.

Its is sexual assault


"Sexual assault" means any unwanted sexual contact as defined in ORS 163.305 (Definitions). [2001 c.870 §23; 2007 c.71 §40]


ORS 163.305

(1)“Forcible compulsion” means to compel by:

(a)Physical force; or

(b)A threat, express or implied, that places a person in fear of immediate or future death or physical injury to self or another person, or in fear that the person or another person will immediately or in the future be kidnapped.

(2)“Mentally defective” means that a person suffers from a qualifying mental disorder that renders the person incapable of appraising the nature of the conduct of the person.

(3)“Mentally incapacitated” means that a person is rendered incapable of appraising or controlling the conduct of the person at the time of the alleged offense.

(4)“Oral or anal sexual intercourse” means sexual conduct between persons consisting of contact between the sex organs of one person and the mouth or anus of another.

(5)“Physically helpless” means that a person is unconscious or for any other reason is physically unable to communicate unwillingness to an act.

(6)“Sexual contact” means any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person or causing such person to touch the sexual or other intimate parts of the actor for the purpose of arousing or gratifying the sexual desire of either party.

(7)“Sexual intercourse” has its ordinary meaning and occurs upon any penetration, however slight; emission is not required. [1971 c.743 §104; 1975 c.461 §1; 1977 c.844 §1; 1979 c.744 §7; 1983 c.500 §1; 1999 c.949 §1; 2009 c.770 §1; 2017 c.318 §2; 2017 c.634 §17]



Note: Legislative Counsel has substituted “chapter 743, Oregon Laws 1971,” for the words “this Act” in section 104, chapter 743, Oregon Laws 1971, compiled as 163.305 (Definitions). Specific ORS references have not been substituted, pursuant to 173.160 (Powers and duties of Legislative Counsel in preparing editions for publication). These sections may be determined by referring to the 1971 Comparative Section Table located in Volume 22 of ORS.





1 Legislative Counsel Committee, CHAPTER 163—Offenses Against Persons, https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/bills_laws/ors/ors163.html (2019) (last accessed May 16, 2020).

2 Legislative Counsel Committee, Annotations to the Oregon Revised Statutes, Cumulative Supplement - 2019, Chapter 163, https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/bills_laws/ors/ano163.html (2019) (last accessed May 16, 2020).

3 OregonLaws.org assembles these lists by analyzing references between Sections. Each listed item refers back to the current Section in its own text. The result reveals relationships in the code that may not have otherwise been apparent. Currency Information
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Do you see where it says requires physical contact? Where did he make contact when he said grab them by the pussy?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Weinstein got in trouble for using his position of power to intimidate women into having sex with him.

That's EXACTLY what Trump is saying in this quote. "You know I am automatically attracted to beautiful - I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And, when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab em by the pussy. You can do anything"
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did you check the link out i posted where the first parragraph says he tried to force massages?

that is not the same as saying stars can do anything.

You guys can paint a picture of him all you want like you do of me. But it still doesn't make it factual when the basis is not accurate.
 
Chris Craig said:
The pussy duh?!?

Not to mention their lips

He admitted to physically forcing himself on women dude. Come on. Thats assault
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when did he admit to physically forcing himself on women who didnt want it?
Come on dude.

is it okay to only twist some words when it firs a narrative but stick to the facts when it doesnt?

he never said he physically forced himself on any woman who opposed the advance.
That would be attempted rape.
 
Since the 1970's Trump has been accused of rape, sexual assault and sexual misconduct by 25 women...these are only women who filed complaints.he is currently in court with an accuser....I'd say that's probable cause that he's been as guilty as Weinstein all his life. Google Trump and sexual assault...it'll take a long time to read it all
 
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