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Oden is not going to gamble $32 mill on his knees.

Look at the money Kwame Brown has made in his career. GO knows he'll get paid regardless.
 
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Look at the money Kwame Brown has made in his career. GO knows he'll get paid regardless.

Kwame never made 10 million in one year, let alone 4.
 
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I could see some crappy team giving Greg an enormous offer, like MAX contract 5 year $95mil deal. Would we match that? A few months ago I was pissed about him having to have another surgery and would have said no; but looking at it now I think we would probably have to bite the bullet and match that type of toxic offer. His damn potential is still too high. I value Oden over everybody except LaMarcus on this team and wouldn't want to lose him even if we had to overpay.
 
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There is a lot of hypothetical hostility in this thread over something that hasn't happened. Patience.
 
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There is a lot of hypothetical hostility in this thread over something that hasn't happened. Patience.

"Patience...there will be plenty of time for fury later!" :)
 
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There is a lot of hypothetical hostility in this thread over something that hasn't happened. Patience.

It's the offseason and I'm a little freaked about our future.
 
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There is a lot of hypothetical hostility in this thread over something that hasn't happened. Patience.

Well, we are FANatics
 
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It's the offseason and I'm a little freaked about our future.
Yeah, as you know I'm not feeling real warm and fuzzy about it either. I'm trying. :)
 
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Loyalty is beyond overrated in professional sports. Teams and players are going to do what's the best for them and fans need to realize this. Expecting them to be loyal in an environment that isn't conducive for that is being unrealistic.

Millions upon millions of dollars are at stake here, and that's what makes it a cutthroat business.

Okay, so what happens if he actually leaves and takes less money? Kinda blows your analogy right out of the water. Basically that's what would happen. I have no doubt Allen will match anything, maybe even pay more to keep Oden. So what if he leaves in that scenario? It won't be about money.
 
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Yeah, as you know I'm not feeling real warm and fuzzy about it either. I'm trying. :)

I'm freaked out as well. I want to see Oden dammit! I don't want to see him playing for another team.
 
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I could see some crappy team giving Greg an enormous offer, like MAX contract 5 year $95mil deal. Would we match that? A few months ago I was pissed about him having to have another surgery and would have said no; but looking at it now I think we would probably have to bite the bullet and match that type of toxic offer. His damn potential is still too high. I value Oden over everybody except LaMarcus on this team and wouldn't want to lose him even if we had to overpay.

+1. I would rather see us gamble on a what if then not gamble and see greg win titles somewhere else.
 
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Untrue. Patently untrue. Both sides agreed not to negotiate an extension because his market value wasn't at a level Oden would accept.

And if you're talking about someone taking less or equal money to leave negates the money argument. At that point, it's "Fuck you Portland and sayonara", and that my friend, is quite personal.

Link?

The Blazers could have offered a max extension. They did not. They held all of the cards on offering an extension, and they didn't do it.
 
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Okay, so what happens if he actually leaves and takes less money? Kinda blows your analogy right out of the water. Basically that's what would happen. I have no doubt Allen will match anything, maybe even pay more to keep Oden. So what if he leaves in that scenario? It won't be about money.

I'd assume that he put his own "company" in the best position for it to succeed, regardless

I find the thought that Oden owes the Blazers anything at all irrelevant, at least in terms of the business world. He has been paid a lot of money by Portland, but he didn't choose to be in Portland in the first place. Portland chose him, and that leverage that Portland has or had doesn't matter once the original contract expires, if Oden accepts the Q.O., which was a part of the owner/player approved CBA.
 
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The way I see it, both sides are posturing a bit and trying to gain an advantage in the negotiations. The Blazers don't want to lose Greg and are willing to pay him, but they want the deal to be as low risk as possible. Greg certainly wants the best deal with the most money and security. I suppose that it's possible that he just really wants out of town, but that doesn't seem to track with some of his statements at the end of the year. I still think that the most likely outcome is that there's a multi-year deal signed between the Blazers and Greg before June 30th.
 
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I'm freaked out as well. I want to see Oden dammit! I don't want to see him playing for another team.

You defend Andre Miller, who left Philly for the highest bidder (Portland), to the extreme. This is Miller's 5th team in 12 years. Seems a bit inconsistent for you to cheer for a guy who is an NBA vagabond over a player who has had no choice where to play in the NBA.
 
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The way I see it, both sides are posturing a bit and trying to gain an advantage in the negotiations. The Blazers don't want to lose Greg and are willing to pay him, but they want the deal to be as low risk as possible. Greg certainly wants the best deal with the most money and security. I suppose that it's possible that he just really wants out of town, but that doesn't seem to track with some of his statements at the end of the year. I still think that the most likely outcome is that there's a multi-year deal signed between the Blazers and Greg before June 30th.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I posted earlier, and I agree. But then again, the signs may be there that Oden may want out...
 
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Untrue. Patently untrue. Both sides agreed not to negotiate an extension because his market value wasn't at a level Oden would accept.

What's so untrue about that statement? If both sides agree that they aren't close on the dollars of a new deal and the employer choses to walk away from the table it's exactly the same as saying, "hey if you think you are worth it on the open market and want to take the risk, then that's your right Greg."

And if you're talking about someone taking less or equal money to leave negates the money argument. At that point, it's "Fuck you Portland and sayonara", and that my friend, is quite personal.

Well we don't know what kind of money Greg is going to command on the open market, but speaking from personal experience sometimes a job is more than just about the money, sometimes it's about the quality of life and the level of satisfaction that exists in a given situation. Seen from that perspective, Portland has mostly been a downer for Greg; if he leaves and takes less or equal money it could be just as much about finding a fresh start with lower expectations -- a place where he can be a little more anonymous even -- then I don't think there's anything particularly personal being directed at Blazers fans, but it very well could be personal for him in trying to do what's best for him and his career.

If I were in his shoes, I'd probably want very badly to get to just about anywhere else and start fresh, maybe that's not how he feels, but if he does stay it shouldn't be for some misplaced sense of owing the team or its fans anything it should be because he thinks this is the best place to make his career work. Whatever he eventually decides to do I think can live with the result.
 
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What's so untrue about that statement? If both sides agree that they aren't close on the dollars of a new deal and the employer choses to walk away from the table it's exactly the same as saying, "hey if you think you are worth it on the open market and want to take the risk, then that's your right Greg."



Well we don't know what kind of money Greg is going to command on the open market, but speaking from personal experience sometimes a job is more than just about the money, sometimes it's about the quality of life and the level of satisfaction that exists in a given situation. Seen from that perspective, Portland has mostly been a downer for Greg; if he leaves and takes less or equal money it could be just as much about finding a fresh start with lower expectations -- a place where he can be a little more anonymous even -- then I don't think there's anything particularly personal being directed at Blazers fans, but it very well could be personal for him in trying to do what's best for him and his career.

If I were in his shoes, I'd probably want very badly to get to just about anywhere else and start fresh, maybe that's not how he feels, but if he does stay it shouldn't be for some misplaced sense of owing the team or its fans anything it should be because he thinks this is the best place to make his career work. Whatever he eventually decides to do I think can live with the result.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/186371...-it-s-(mine)?p=2606912&viewfull=1#post2606912

Worlds' collide.
 
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The way I see it, both sides are posturing a bit and trying to gain an advantage in the negotiations. The Blazers don't want to lose Greg and are willing to pay him, but they want the deal to be as low risk as possible. Greg certainly wants the best deal with the most money and security. I suppose that it's possible that he just really wants out of town, but that doesn't seem to track with some of his statements at the end of the year. I still think that the most likely outcome is that there's a multi-year deal signed between the Blazers and Greg before June 30th.

Well I guaranfuckingtee you they don't agree to a deal before June 30th... RFA can't agree to contracts until July 1st at the earliest, possibly much later if theres a lockout.
 
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Canzano said:
Oden told me, "It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's my move."

...Team president Larry Miller said Thursday: "I'm not sure exactly what Greg meant by that unless he meant that it's his decision to work hard and do the things that he needs to do so that we're ready to sign him to the qualifying offer at the end of the season."

No, what Oden obviously meant is that he has to decide this summer whether to retire.
 
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Well I guaranfuckingtee you they don't agree to a deal before June 30th... RFA can't agree to contracts until July 1st at the earliest, possibly much later if theres a lockout.

What kind of a guarantee are you offering? Whatever it is you'd lose it. Oden wouldn't be a RFA until he signed the one year qualifying offer and until after June 30th had passed. Before then, Oden and the Blazers can sign an extension deal if they want to do so. This was confirmed last week by Rich Cho in a text message in response to a question from the guys on Courtside.
 
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Well we don't know what kind of money Greg is going to command on the open market, but speaking from personal experience sometimes a job is more than just about the money, sometimes it's about the quality of life and the level of satisfaction that exists in a given situation. Seen from that perspective, Portland has mostly been a downer for Greg; if he leaves and takes less or equal money it could be just as much about finding a fresh start with lower expectations -- a place where he can be a little more anonymous even -- then I don't think there's anything particularly personal being directed at Blazers fans, but it very well could be personal for him in trying to do what's best for him and his career.

If I were in his shoes, I'd probably want very badly to get to just about anywhere else and start fresh, maybe that's not how he feels, but if he does stay it shouldn't be for some misplaced sense of owing the team or its fans anything it should be because he thinks this is the best place to make his career work. Whatever he eventually decides to do I think can live with the result.


Who is me. Life sucks making millions of dollars. He isn't working at fucking taco bell. He is getting paid millions of dollars per year.
 
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You defend Andre Miller, who left Philly for the highest bidder (Portland), to the extreme. This is Miller's 5th team in 12 years. Seems a bit inconsistent for you to cheer for a guy who is an NBA vagabond over a player who has had no choice where to play in the NBA.

There is a big difference, since Philly wasn't willing to match his offer, plus he was traded to Philly. And all the other teams were trades as well. Miller played and proved himself and Philly was moving on without him. Miller didn't leave because of greener pastures. He left because Philly was moving to the next project.
 
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Woe is me. Life sucks making millions of dollars. He isn't working at fucking taco bell. He is getting paid millions of dollars per year.

Well all the more reason to for him to try and maximize the very narrow window of opportunity he has to make money as a professional athlete. I get the feeling that Greg doesn't exactly trust the medical and training staff here in PDX, so if that's true, he may feel he'll have a better shot at playing longer and at a higher level and thus earning more, by going somewhere else (whether that is a matter of perception or a matter of fact remains to be seen).

So you're right, millions of dollars are possibly at stake for Greg, if he's smart he'll make the best possible business decision for Greg Oden Inc. that he can.
 
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There is a big difference, since Philly wasn't willing to match his offer, plus he was traded to Philly. And all the other teams were trades as well. Miller played and proved himself and Philly was moving on without him. Miller didn't leave because of greener pastures. He left because Philly was moving to the next project.

So what you are really saying is that the only time it's OK for a player to "move on" is when his team has decided it's time?

What a miserable POV.
 
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Link?

The Blazers could have offered a max extension. They did not. They held all of the cards on offering an extension, and they didn't do it.

They sure could have. But why would you given his injuries? Oden has to prove he can play a full season. Therefore a deal that both sides would have agreed to wasn't in the cards.
 
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What's so untrue about that statement? If both sides agree that they aren't close on the dollars of a new deal and the employer choses to walk away from the table it's exactly the same as saying, "hey if you think you are worth it on the open market and want to take the risk, then that's your right Greg."

Semantics.



Well we don't know what kind of money Greg is going to command on the open market, but speaking from personal experience sometimes a job is more than just about the money, sometimes it's about the quality of life and the level of satisfaction that exists in a given situation. Seen from that perspective, Portland has mostly been a downer for Greg; if he leaves and takes less or equal money it could be just as much about finding a fresh start with lower expectations -- a place where he can be a little more anonymous even -- then I don't think there's anything particularly personal being directed at Blazers fans, but it very well could be personal for him in trying to do what's best for him and his career.

If I were in his shoes, I'd probably want very badly to get to just about anywhere else and start fresh, maybe that's not how he feels, but if he does stay it shouldn't be for some misplaced sense of owing the team or its fans anything it should be because he thinks this is the best place to make his career work. Whatever he eventually decides to do I think can live with the result.

Like I said, you're a better person than am I. You're certainly better able to distance yourself from this franchise.
 
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There is a big difference, since Philly wasn't willing to match his offer, plus he was traded to Philly. And all the other teams were trades as well. Miller played and proved himself and Philly was moving on without him. Miller didn't leave because of greener pastures. He left because Philly was moving to the next project.

If I recall correctly all Philly was willing to offer him was 1 year at 5 mill and Miller wanted a multi-year deal as close to 10m as he could get. They wanted to hand the keys over to there young PG's and weren't willing to keep Miller there since he would take away playing time they wanted for other players.
 

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