It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (mine)

[Draco]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

What kind of a guarantee are you offering? Whatever it is you'd lose it. Oden wouldn't be a RFA until he signed the one year qualifying offer and until after June 30th had passed. Before then, Oden and the Blazers can sign an extension deal if they want to do so. This was confirmed last week by Rich Cho in a text message in response to a question from the guys on Courtside.

I call bullshit to that. Someone is misinterpreting Cho's comments. The deadline for Oden to sign an extension was back in the end of October. If players on rookie contracts don't sign extensions they become free agents; restricted if the team submits a qualifying offer. Players like Zach Randolph who are not on rookie contracts can sign an extension up to June 30th.

 

[julius]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

I find it funny that other teams are willing to offer Greg huge contracts, for any other reason than to stick Portland with another anchor contract.

How'd you like to be the GM of the team that signs Greg to a huge contract, and parade him as a big signing, and all the other crap they'd say, only to then have to explain to your fanbase that "Greg is rehabbing fine, and is on schedule to be able to run by April"?

We're use to it. We almost expect it. I think we'd take that news a LOT better than another team would if it happened again.

Bottom line, if I'm a GM or an owner of another team, I'm very leery of giving Greg a huge contract. Anything more than 3 years and I'm not going to do it. And it'd have to have check points, where he HAS to play in X number of games for the season to get Y dollars. And if Greg doesn't like it, he can go sign somewhere else and let some other owner pay him for rehabbing.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

I find it funny that other teams are willing to offer Greg huge contracts, for any other reason than to stick Portland with another anchor contract.

How'd you like to be the GM of the team that signs Greg to a huge contract, and parade him as a big signing, and all the other crap they'd say, only to then have to explain to your fanbase that "Greg is rehabbing fine, and is on schedule to be able to run by April"?

We're use to it. We almost expect it. I think we'd take that news a LOT better than another team would if it happened again.

Bottom line, if I'm a GM or an owner of another team, I'm very leery of giving Greg a huge contract. Anything more than 3 years and I'm not going to do it. And it'd have to have check points, where he HAS to play in X number of games for the season to get Y dollars. And if Greg doesn't like it, he can go sign somewhere else and let some other owner pay him for rehabbing.

Yeah, as a team you have to want Greg and all the risks that come with him to make the offer; if you're doing it just to fuck the Blazers, the bluff might get called and then you're in trouble.

 

[e_blazer]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

I call bullshit to that. Someone is misinterpreting Cho's comments. The deadline for Oden to sign an extension was back in the end of October. If players on rookie contracts don't sign extensions they become free agents; restricted if the team submits a qualifying offer. Players like Zach Randolph who are not on rookie contracts can sign an extension up to June 30th.

After a review of the CBA, it looks to me like the truth of the matter lies somewhere in the middle. The Blazers didn't give Oden a Maximum Qualifying Offer by October 31, 2010. That means in order to make him a Restricted Free Agent, they have to submit a Qualifying Offer for one year at a set amount based upon his status as a #1 pick under a Rookie Scale Contract. This Qualifying Offer has to be made during the period between the day after the playoffs end and June 30, 2011. If they don't make the offer, then Oden becomes an Unrestricted Free Agent on July 1st.

In addition to submitting the Qualifying Offer during this period, the CBA also allows the team to "elect simultaneously to offer the player an alternative Contract covering six (6) Seasons that provides Salary for the first Salary Cap Year equal to the Maximum Annual Salary under Article II, Section 7(a), with annual increases in Salary equal to 10.5% of the Salary for the first Salary Cap Year". If the Blazers submit the Qualifying Offer, with or without the additional Maximum Qualifying Offer, then Oden would become a Restricted Free Agent on July 1 and the Blazers would maintain a Right of First Refusal to match any offers he may get from other teams.

As far the Blazers submitting Oden less than a Maximum Qualifying Offer (like the 4 year $40 mil contract Canzano has rumored), that would have to wait until July 1st: "A Restricted Free Agent is free at any time beginning on the first day of the Moratorium Period to negotiate a Player Contract with his Prior Team and to negotiate an Offer Sheet (as defined in Section 5(b) below) with any Team other than his Prior Team, and is free at any time after the last day of the Moratorium Period to enter into a Player Contract with his Prior Team or an Offer Sheet with any Team other than his Prior Team."

Here's the link if you want to read the pertinent section of the CBA yourself: http://www.nbpa.org/sites/default/files/ARTICLE XI.pdf

 

[maxiep]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

Where's Storyteller when you need him?

 

[magnifier661]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

Well all the more reason to for him to try and maximize the very narrow window of opportunity he has to make money as a professional athlete. I get the feeling that Greg doesn't exactly trust the medical and training staff here in PDX, so if that's true, he may feel he'll have a better shot at playing longer and at a higher level and thus earning more, by going somewhere else (whether that is a matter of perception or a matter of fact remains to be seen).

So you're right, millions of dollars are possibly at stake for Greg, if he's smart he'll make the best possible business decision for Greg Oden Inc. that he can.

But never answered my question about what if he signs for less somewhere else? I mean Portland does hold the keys to give Greg the best possible deal; therefor, if another team offers him "X" contract; we match or beat and Oden just leaves; then it turns right back around on this "Millions of dollars are at stake for Oden" you keep mentioning.

 

[magnifier661]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

So what you are really saying is that the only time it's OK for a player to "move on" is when his team has decided it's time?

What a miserable POV.

Well I'm really glad you think I'm miserable. In fact, I think you are extremely far off on that concept. And if you think all businesses work in this manner, then I suspect you aren't truly a business man. Players will stay in a city when they feel the love. Just like Pryzbilla taking less to stay in Portland. You act like everyone are robots and you just make the "economically feasible" decision without thinking about the "moral compass". Now that is miserable. LOL

 

[julius]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

Well I'm really glad you think I'm miserable. In fact, I think you are extremely far off on that concept. And if you think all businesses work in this manner, then I suspect you aren't truly a business man. Players will stay in a city when they feel the love. Just like Pryzbilla taking less to stay in Portland. You act like everyone are robots and you just make the "economically feasible" decision without thinking about the "moral compass". Now that is miserable. LOL

iirc, Joel didn't take less to stay in Portland.

 

[Natebishop3]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

You defend Andre Miller, who left Philly for the highest bidder (Portland), to the extreme. This is Miller's 5th team in 12 years. Seems a bit inconsistent for you to cheer for a guy who is an NBA vagabond over a player who has had no choice where to play in the NBA.

How can you leave someone when they don't want you back? If your wife threw you out tonight, would you say you left her?

 

[Sug]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

This is such a run of the mill thread for this forum. Everyone gets all worked up over these things, I suggest you all focus on something that matters. Will Andre Miller get his option picked up??????????????

 

[Natebishop3]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

This is such a run of the mill thread for this forum. Everyone gets all worked up over these things, I suggest you all focus on something that matters. Will Andre Miller get his option picked up??????????????

Of course he will. It doesn't benefit the team to just let him walk when we're already over the cap.

 

[magnifier661]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

Pryzbilla should give Oden a call and tell him why he needs to stay in PDX.

Przybilla's agent, explained his reasons for re-signing with the Blazers this way: "He's extremely loyal, and they gave him an opportunity two years ago when no one else did."

 

[B-Roy]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

Pryzbilla should give Oden a call and tell him why he needs to stay in PDX.

They also gave him the most money.

 

[magnifier661]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

They also gave him the most money.

Remember the thread. There are some that think he will leave even if we offer more.

 

[B-Roy]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

Remember the thread. There are some that think he will leave even if we offer more.

Well, then he'd have to risk going a year without a long term contract. I don't think he'll do it unless the Blazers completely lowball him.

By the way, that Przybilla quote doesn't really mean anything in this context...the Blazers didn't give Oden a chance when no one else did, they made him the number 1 overall pick, just like any other team would have done in the same situation.

 

[magnifier661]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

Well, then he'd have to risk going a year without a long term contract. I don't think he'll do it unless the Blazers completely lowball him.

By the way, that Przybilla quote doesn't really mean anything in this context...the Blazers didn't give Oden a chance when no one else did, they made him the number 1 overall pick, just like any other team would have done in the same situation.

I'm talking about being loyal. Man PEOPLE are so "word technical" in this forum. I am saying Pryz says "Hey man this is a great franchise. They gave me a chance when no other team did" yada yada like that...

 

[B-Roy]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

I'm talking about being loyal. Man PEOPLE are so "word technical" in this forum. I am saying Pryz says "Hey man this is a great franchise. They gave me a chance when no other team did" yada yada like that...

I could understand why Joel was loyal to the franchise, but I don't understand why Oden should be...

There was very specific reason for Joel's loyalty, and there isn't one for Oden's...

 

[magnifier661]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

I could understand why Joel was loyal to the franchise, but I don't understand why Oden should be...

There was very specific reason for Joel's loyalty, and there isn't one for Oden's...

Maybe because he should see how our fans truly appreciate the players. His was in attendance when the fans gave a standing ovation to Pryzbilla in a Charlotte Jersey. Maybe he should watch clips of the Laker fans booing Gasol that just won them 2 rings? Any team that picks him up will have a ton of pressure; if they offer anything more than 9 mil per season. Our fans support our players no matter what. The most loyal fans on the planet.

 

[Draco]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

This is such a run of the mill thread for this forum. Everyone gets all worked up over these things, I suggest you all focus on something that matters. Will Andre Miller get his option picked up??????????????

Of course we'll pick it up. Cho is just waiting until the last minute in the rare case a team like the Clippers want to cut Mo Williams salary. We could trade Miller to them and they could try to cut his contract before it become guaranteed.

So outside some rare unforseen trade we are going to keep Miller next season.

 

[B-Roy]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

Maybe because he should see how our fans truly appreciate the players. His was in attendance when the fans gave a standing ovation to Pryzbilla in a Charlotte Jersey. Maybe he should watch clips of the Laker fans booing Gasol that just won them 2 rings? Any team that picks him up will have a ton of pressure; if they offer anything more than 9 mil per season. Our fans support our players no matter what. The most loyal fans on the planet.

I'm sure there are other teams that would welcome him with open arms. Most fans aren't as shitty as Laker fans.

For the record I don't think Oden will leave unless the Blazers don't care enough to want him anymore. It's not in his best interest, with the rules as they are, for him to force his way somewhere else.

 

[santeesioux]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

This is probably bs, but may as well post it

http://boards.grizzliesonline.com/index.php?showtopic=12435

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

This is probably bs, but may as well post it

http://boards.grizzliesonline.com/index.php?showtopic=12435

I'm calling BS.

Nobody in their right mind would want to live in Memphis.

 

[julius]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

This is probably bs, but may as well post it

http://boards.grizzliesonline.com/index.php?showtopic=12435

I'm wondering how he can feel betrayed by a team that has only held him to a standard of "be healthy and you'll get paid".

 

[santeesioux]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

I'm calling BS.

Nobody in their right mind would want to live in Memphis.

Yeah, i agree, but Conley plays there so there is an off chance he could really feel that way.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

I'm calling BS.

Nobody in their right mind would want to live in Memphis.

But he feels betrayed by Portland!

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

This whole thing is going to turn into a fiasco.

With Kevin Durant as an MVP caliber type of player and only getting better, the pressure of playing decent after all these injuries in Portland and playing in the shadow of Durant has to be unbelievable. What a slap in the face it'd be if his douche agent pushes to get him out of the city.

Though, I've been on the trade-Oden bandwagon for sometime now, I just hope we can get something in return for him.

Enes Kater for Oden - get 'er done, Cho!

 

[PapaG]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

How can you leave someone when they don't want you back? If your wife threw you out tonight, would you say you left her?

Conversely, what if you (Oden) don't want to stay, even if your "wife" (Blazers) wants you to stay?

 

[PapaG]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

Pryzbilla should give Oden a call and tell him why he needs to stay in PDX.

Przy was a free agent and had the ability to choose his employer. Oden was drafted to Portland. Comparing Przy's situation to Oden's isn't realistic, IMO.

 

[PapaG]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

Maybe because he should see how our fans truly appreciate the players. His was in attendance when the fans gave a standing ovation to Pryzbilla in a Charlotte Jersey. Maybe he should watch clips of the Laker fans booing Gasol that just won them 2 rings? Any team that picks him up will have a ton of pressure; if they offer anything more than 9 mil per season. Our fans support our players no matter what. The most loyal fans on the planet.

Maybe Oden should read message boards or listen to local sport talk radio to see how many Blazers "fans" treated Brandon Roy this season. There were people on this board who advocated booing Roy. Thinking that hardcore Portland fans are somehow different in terms of loyalty to players doesn't stand up to the recent example of Brandon Roy and his injury problems. We even have ignorant posters here who think that Roy somehow conned the Blazers into a max extension, even when Larry Miller has literally said they knew about Roy's knees.

 

[PapaG]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

I'm wondering how he can feel betrayed by a team that has only held him to a standard of "be healthy and you'll get paid".

The Blazers could have offered him an extension last summer, even if it was just symbolic. Instead, Cho and the Gang decided to play hardball. I can see how Oden could feel betrayed. He was the first #1 overall pick since Kwame Brown to not get a contract extension after his 3rd year. The Blazers could have at least offered a contract comparable to Bargnani's (5years/$55 million), with team or player options to protect both sides. They didn't, they rolled the dice, and now they may pay for their decision. Those blaming Oden for leaving, if that happens, should also blame Cho and the Gang for botching lasting summer and wounding Oden's pride.