Its only spring training right?

[yankeesince59]

How many 89mph 3-1 FB fastballs out over the plate did we see last year which were popped up to shallow CF?
l

...I doubt tote knows for sure...hey, why not be a sport and go back and count them for us ?

 

[Mattingly23NY]

You were right Ron.

NTM-59 has His own Personal Stalker too.....who obviously bought a cheap calculator.....but His stalker still has NO Common Sense, and thinks such comes in the form of coin change (cents).......






still:

 

[Rick2583]

NTM-59 has His own Personal Stalker too.....who obviously bought a cheap calculator.....but His stalker still has NO Common Sense, and thinks such comes in the form of coin change (cents).......






still:

Ron & blg were having this debate yesterday about how A-Rod has yet to a ball hard this spring. That was just before he hit his 1st HR. And he predicted that BLG would take full opportunity with basically an "I TOLD YOU SO". and he did.

 

[blgridesagain]

Ron & blg were having this debate yesterday about how A-Rod has yet to a ball hard this spring. That was just before he hit his 1st HR. And he predicted that BLG would take full opportunity with basically an "I TOLD YOU SO". and he did.

Oh no, not quite.....I brought up his 4-9 ST numbers (posted by '59) which did NOT include his HR vs Boston. And yes, I DID acknowledge one of those "hits" was a bloop double, and I WAS corrected as it was a grounds rule double which didn't require him to run hard to 2b....so if you want to say he was really 3-9 at that point (exclude the bloop double lol) the point was and remains, although it is still early ST but he has NOT looked as if he's been - so far- over matched....has just two Ks so far.
Same with Headley 4-12,(same post), I was just wondering why he AND Arod were included amoung the group of "regulars" who have been struggling up to that point according to the same ('59 post).

As for me saying "I told you so" regarding Arod's first ST HR, I was replying to Tote's downplaying it because it was an easy 89mph down the middle fastball.....and maybe, perhaps, YOU get the feeling if Arod had struck out on the same pitch some would be quicker to begin THEY'RE own "I told you so" about Arod being overmatched showing how he can't generate any power and will be lucky to make it out of ST.

Look, I'm well aware - and I have already said in other posts - I realize and understand why and how the large majority feel as if his body won't hold up and I am NOT expecting to see a whole lot from him....but I happen think the year's lay off could benefit his body and if he does make it onto the team he certainly is going to get plenty of off days to try and keep his wheels healthy and fresh....and If so, I think HE WILL help improve production from the 2015 Yankee DH position which would be significant when we take a look back at last year's horrendous production from the DH spot.

So please, try not to confuse and mix up my reply posts to fit your profile of me.

 

[blgridesagain]

(Post 25)
"love the inane reference to ARod running ability ("you do need legs to run to 2nd base")... ARod's bloop double was a ground rule double which had barely got over the 1Bman's head, and barely landed fair, and had side spin on it and bounced into the seats....speed was not required...lmao.

...also love how he claims Prado's stats with the Yanx last year should not perceived to be an indicator of what he may be able to do with the Marlins this year, but somehow Headley's small sample size from last year is used an indicator of what he could/should do this year....how's that work?",.
__________________

Here's how "it works"-
#1- is YOUR point Arod is and will be unable to run two bases at a time? yes or no?
Even If he's only able to run as fast (or slow) as Jorge Posada with a possible slight painfree gimp, I don't believe it'll be the deference maker if he's still capable of swinging the bat and contributing in a DH role. Get it in your head and get real.....
and....do you think he'll be the only MLB DH with (maybe) below avg speed?
Once again you've made a mountain out of an ant hill,...or, crying over spilled milk.

#2- Once again, I never mentioned what Prado may or may not do with the Marlins.....YOU DID. Go back and read again this time maybe use a magnifying glass.

#3 When I mentioned Prado's potential full season numbers based on last year's 133 Yankee ABs I was referring to him being retained as a YANKEE for THIS season which seems to be one of the bigger reasons for this obsessive attack on Cashman.

#4- Which performance from Prado and Headley last year with the Yankees was more realistic and less flukey, Prado's or Headleys?

THAT'S how it works for ME.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Oh no, not quite.....I brought up his 4-9 ST numbers (posted by '59) which did NOT include his HR vs Boston. And yes, I DID acknowledge one of those "hits" was a bloop double, and I WAS corrected as it was a grounds rule double which didn't require him to run hard to 2b....so if you want to say he was really 3-9 at that point (exclude the bloop double lol) the point was and remains, although it is still early ST but he has NOT looked as if he's been - so far- over matched....has just two Ks so far.
Same with Headley 4-12,(same post), I was just wondering why he AND Arod were included amoung the group of "regulars" who have been struggling up to that point according to the same ('59 post).

As for me saying "I told you so" regarding Arod's first ST HR, I was replying to Tote's downplaying it because it was an easy 89mph down the middle fastball.....and maybe, perhaps, YOU get the feeling if Arod had struck out on the same pitch some would be quicker to begin THEY'RE own "I told you so" about Arod being overmatched showing how he can't generate any power and will be lucky to make it out of ST.

Look, I'm well aware - and I have already said in other posts - I realize and understand why and how the large majority feel as if his body won't hold up and I am NOT expecting to see a whole lot from him....but I happen think the year's lay off could benefit his body and if he does make it onto the team he certainly is going to get plenty of off days to try and keep his wheels healthy and fresh....and If so, I think HE WILL help improve production from the 2015 Yankee DH position which would be significant when we take a look back at last year's horrendous production from the DH spot.

So please, try not to confuse and mix up my reply posts to fit your profile of me.

(Post 25)
"love the inane reference to ARod running ability ("you do need legs to run to 2nd base")... ARod's bloop double was a ground rule double which had barely got over the 1Bman's head, and barely landed fair, and had side spin on it and bounced into the seats....speed was not required...lmao.

...also love how he claims Prado's stats with the Yanx last year should not perceived to be an indicator of what he may be able to do with the Marlins this year, but somehow Headley's small sample size from last year is used an indicator of what he could/should do this year....how's that work?",.
__________________

Here's how "it works"-
#1- is YOUR point Arod is and will be unable to run two bases at a time? yes or no?
Even If he's only able to run as fast (or slow) as Jorge Posada with a possible slight painfree gimp, I don't believe it'll be the deference maker if he's still capable of swinging the bat and contributing in a DH role. Get it in your head and get real.....
and....do you think he'll be the only MLB DH with (maybe) below avg speed?
Once again you've made a mountain out of an ant hill,...or, crying over spilled milk.

#2- Once again, I never mentioned what Prado may or may not do with the Marlins.....YOU DID. Go back and read again this time maybe use a magnifying glass.

#3 When I mentioned Prado's potential full season numbers based on last year's 133 Yankee ABs I was referring to him being retained as a YANKEE for THIS season which seems to be one of the bigger reasons for this obsessive attack on Cashman.

#4- Which performance from Prado and Headley last year with the Yankees was more realistic and less flukey, Prado's or Headleys?

THAT'S how it works for ME.

Honestly now, as if your life depended on a honest answer. Do you have to interject sarcasm into every thread/post?

Or do you actually have the Personality type, (Meyers-Briggs or Kiersey testing, results?), which is only somewhat happy, or at ease, if you have someone or thing to complain about or attack?

Not trying to anger you, just looking for the truth, if it will so avail itself.....

 

[totus44]

How many 89mph 3-1 FB fastballs out over the plate did we see last year which were popped up to shallow CF?
You remember don't you? 2014, The year which was one of the more embarrassing in Yankee team batting history. lol

Oh come on, you know that was a pitching machine FB. He's been hitting those at his estate the pastc2 years.

 

[yankeesince59]

....^^^

(Post 25)

Here's how "it works"-
#1- is YOUR point Arod is and will be unable to run two bases at a time? yes or no?
Even If he's only able to run as fast (or slow) as Jorge Posada with a possible slight painfree gimp, I don't believe it'll be the deference maker if he's still capable of swinging the bat and contributing in a DH role. Get it in your head and get real.....
and....do you think he'll be the only MLB DH with (maybe) below avg speed?
Once again you've made a mountain out of an ant hill,...or, crying over spilled milk.

...uhhh, look again, YOU were the one who ignorantly brought up ARod's perceived speed on the bases by pointing to him legging out a "Ground rule double". (you obviously did not even see the play, otherwise you would not have even suggested it)...(post # 20) "because you do need legs to run to 2nd base"...remember now?
...all I did was respond to that inane statement by pointing out that you don't "need legs" on a freebie double.

#2- Once again, I never mentioned what Prado may or may not do with the Marlins.....YOU DID. Go back and read again this time maybe use a magnifying glass.

....once again, yes you did. It's the same old crap of you hand picking stats for one player and the ignoring the same stats for another player. In fact, Prado's name was not even brought up until you brought him up in post #21. "Prado is a good player but I just hope you aren't/weren't expecting him to continue his pace..." (<<<this is you saying Prado's stats from last year are not applicable)
..."Headley had 191 ABs for the Yanks, batted .262 compared with his .265 career avg (<<<this is you now pointing to "career" stats).

...see if you can wrap your brain around this simple fact,

last year with the Yanx, Prado (.316 .336 .541 .877) was better than Headley (
.262 .371 .398 .768)

...and for their career,. Prado (.291 .340 .429 .769) is better than Headley (.265 .347 .409 .756)

...I'm sure this is where you bring up Headley's defense as being the difference...the fact is, you don't lose much defensively by having Prado playing 3B instead...Prado is a much better base runner...Prado's contract is also much friendlier...Prado does not have a balky back...Prado is also much more versatile.



#3 When I mentioned Prado's potential full season numbers based on last year's 133 Yankee ABs I was referring to him being retained as a YANKEE for THIS season which seems to be one of the bigger reasons for this obsessive attack on Cashman.

What difference does it make if he's with the Yanx or not?...you said we should not expect the same performance from him, period. Using that type of flawed logic and stats should not have any bearing on whether he's with the Yanx or the Marlins. They play the same game, don't they?

#4- Which performance from Prado and Headley last year with the Yankees was more realistic and less flukey, Prado's or Headleys?

...when you look at both players recent history and also when you look at what they did last year before coming to the Yanx, I'd say they were about equal. (sorry if that's not the answer you were fishing for)...but I figured one good example of cherry picking deserves another.

 

[blgridesagain]

Honestly now, as if your life depended on a honest answer. Do you have to interject sarcasm into every thread/post?

Or do you actually have the Personality type, (Meyers-Briggs or Kiersey testing, results?), which is only somewhat happy, or at ease, if you have someone or thing to complain about or attack?

Not trying to anger you, just looking for the truth, if it will so avail itself.....

I guess you must be referring to the posters who have nothing but prejudiced snide negative remarks regarding Cashman and Arod's current ON FIELD ST PERFORMANCE.

The team won 84 games last year missed a WC spot by 4(?) games with a terrible offense due to Beltran coming down with elbow issue after having a very good season the previous year, Tex having a lousy year partly due -imo- to his wrist not fully healed, Jeter having a mediocre year (to put it mildly),not mention his poor defensive range... .....he had 24 extra base hits for the year, 24!
The DH spot was horrible ...and yet they were still in the post season race by September.....and this is Cashman's fault? What were they supposed to do, release Jeter in his farewell season?

Think about it.

 

[Rick2583]

I guess you must be referring to the posters who have nothing but prejudiced snide negative remarks regarding Cashman and Arod's current ON FIELD ST PERFORMANCE.

Think about it.

Cashman is an asshole & A-Roid is a piece of shit. So where's the problem?

 

[blgridesagain]

Cashman is an asshole & A-Roid is a piece of shit. So where's the problem?

Sounds like you're mind is made up.
Too bad you choose to discard or ignore a few things which were totally out of Cashman's control. Fine with me....keep the flag of ignorance flying high.

 

[yankeesince59]

Cashman is an asshole & A-Roid is a piece of shit. So where's the problem?

...^^^yup, that pretty much sums it up...............but we're the problem. (rolls eyes)

 

[Rick2583]

Sounds like you're mind is made up.
Too bad you choose to discard or ignore a few things which were totally out of Cashman's control. Fine with me....keep the flag of ignorance flying high.

Everyone else on this board would agree with MY assessment of both Cashman & A-Rod & NO ONE is agreeing with yours, and I'm flying a flag of ignorance.

 

[blgridesagain]

I beg of you, lol, please read the last two paragraphs of my post (#39) again.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

I guess you must be referring to the posters who have nothing but prejudiced snide negative remarks regarding Cashman and Arod's current ON FIELD ST PERFORMANCE.

The team won 84 games last year missed a WC spot by 4(?) games with a terrible offense due to Beltran coming down with elbow issue after having a very good season the previous year, Tex having a lousy year partly due -imo- to his wrist not fully healed, Jeter having a mediocre year (to put it mildly),not mention his poor defensive range... .....he had 24 extra base hits for the year, 24!
The DH spot was horrible ...and yet they were still in the post season race by September.....and this is Cashman's fault? What were they supposed to do, release Jeter in his farewell season?

Think about it.

Alright, I've thought about it:

The only one here bitching and snide is YOU....

The only source of negative remarks is coming out of your camp, the others all I see is the truth.....


2ndly- don't patronize me or anyone else, don't try to educate anyone here, its becoming obvious, the only person your reacting to is your own inflated ego....Keep pumping....!



and yes, A-Roid is a Shit Pie, and Trash-Man, no more a Honorable GM, than Vezzini was a Knight.....

Can you not handle the truth?

 

[yankeesince59]

....^^^

Everyone else on this board would agree with MY assessment of both Cashman & A-Rod & NO ONE is agreeing with yours, and I'm flying a flag of ignorance.

...yup, he's the only one with this rosy outlook yet he tells us to just "Let it go guys....let it go".....amazing, isn't?

...like anyone else, he's entitled to his opinion, but if it were me with a singular point of view and I was grossly outnumbered, I'd get tired of beating my head up against the same old tired wall all the time.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Everyone else on this board would agree with MY assessment of both Cashman & A-Rod & NO ONE is agreeing with yours, and I'm flying a flag of ignorance.

If this were Darts, you'd have 3 darts in the bulls eye......


I know your comment is tongue in cheek, but one of the few and last people to fly a flag of ignorance is Ye'; Sir Rick....!

As for me, the only flag I fly is a Maple Leaf, I mean a Stars and Stripes, LOL.....



IN fact, I take pride in the fact René Gagnon one of the Marines on Iwo Jima, Pictured in this Classic World Wide Pic, was (no shit), the Nephew of my Grand-Father.....

 

[Mattingly23NY]

I beg of you, lol, please read the last two paragraphs of my post (#39) again.

beg all you want....and keep at it, cuz "on your knees" seems to be your natural position these days......!

 

[Mattingly23NY]

...yup, he's the only one with this rosy outlook yet he tells us to just "Let it go guys....let it go".....amazing, isn't?

...like anyone else, he's entitled to his opinion, but if it were me with a singular point of view and I was grossly outnumbered, I'd get tired of beating my head up against the same old tired wall all the time.

You mean

If I were in His shoes, I'd simply walk away, and keep what bit of sanity I had left......

One would think, every single day without fail of this: He would eventually run out of fuel.....perhaps he's using human sewage as an alternative fuel??????? LMAO.....

 

[Rick2583]

I beg of you, lol, please read the last two paragraphs of my post (#39) again.

You're thinking WHAT WAS, while the rest of us are thinking WHAT IS. We're talking about THIS year. And the moves Cashman did & didn't make to improve on last season. Try & keep up.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

You're thinking WHAT WAS, while the rest of us are thinking WHAT IS. We're talking about THIS year. And the moves Cashman did & didn't make to improve on last season. Try & keep up.

B-I-N-G-O.....

 

[yankeesince59]

 

[Mattingly23NY]

all that and NO concussion?

 

[blgridesagain]

Everyone else on this board would agree with MY assessment of both Cashman & A-Rod & NO ONE is agreeing with yours, and I'm flying a flag of ignorance.

Oh really? lol, You're not even willing to concede Beltran's elbow issue was a major blow to the Yankee offense along with the very soft offensive output of the outgoing Captain in which Cashman had no control over and Tex' weak season, .....or maybe you do?
You may blame him for not having good enough backups, but do YOU really know the circumstances? Are you sure he didn't do as well as he could without surrendering any top prospects for "good backups"? Maybe he should've kept Mark Reynolds?
Yeah, that's the trick, would've been a real difference maker.

The Yanks spent a ton of money on Beltran, Ellsbury and McCann and in case you didn't notice, McCann didn't exactly set the world on fire especially the early part of the season. You may recall, there was a choice of the Yanks resigning Granderson for 4 yrs...they chose Beltran for 3 years and he was coming off a very good year.
He got hurt. Cashman's fault, of course. Cashman was in the dugout making out the lineup cards, was on the field playing, and was also batting in the lineup when the Yanks were losing those 10 games (starting in late August) scoring TWO or LESS runs in each loss.

Maybe I should've been more clear when I say:
The Yanks won 84 games last year missing a WC spot by 4 games.

I was kinda hoping it would be understood if the offense wasn't so bad, particularly RF,DH,SS and 1b....the team IMO (don't know about you) would've won AT LEAST the four game difference between them and the WC spot.

But the circumstances which hampered the Yankee offense is ALL because of Cashman.

Sorry guys, I can't help it if a handful of posters on this board are holding a childish grudge against Cashman.


Lmao.

 

[blgridesagain]

beg all you want....and keep at it, cuz "on your knees" seems to be your natural position these days......!

By the way cuz.....you never did get back to me with any of Hank Steinbrenner's contemporaries with similar remarks regarding his "Redsox Nation is a bunch of bullshit" rant. You only provided the usual three paragraphs of irrelevant horsesh!t.

Now be a good boy and send up some more comedy videos.....
.....or you can just blow some more smoke in the air.

 

[Rick2583]

Oh really? lol, You're not even willing to concede Beltran's elbow issue was a major blow to the Yankee offense along with the very soft offensive output of the outgoing Captain in which Cashman had no control over and Tex' weak season, .....or maybe you do?
You may blame him for not having good enough backups, but do YOU really know the circumstances? Are you sure he didn't do as well as he could without surrendering any top prospects for "good backups"? Maybe he should've kept Mark Reynolds?
Yeah, that's the trick, would've been a real difference maker.

The Yanks spent a ton of money on Beltran, Ellsbury and McCann and in case you didn't notice, McCann didn't exactly set the world on fire especially the early part of the season. You may recall, there was a choice of the Yanks resigning Granderson for 4 yrs...they chose Beltran for 3 years and he was coming off a very good year.
He got hurt. Cashman's fault, of course. Cashman was in the dugout making out the lineup cards, was on the field playing, and was also batting in the lineup when the Yanks were losing those 10 games (starting in late August) scoring TWO or LESS runs in each loss.

Maybe I should've been more clear when I say:
The Yanks won 84 games last year missing a WC spot by 4 games.

I was kinda hoping it would be understood if the offense wasn't so bad, particularly RF,DH,SS and 1b....the team IMO (don't know about you) would've won AT LEAST the four game difference between them and the WC spot.

But the circumstances which hampered the Yankee offense is ALL because of Cashman.

Sorry guys, I can't help it if a handful of posters on this board are holding a childish grudge against Cashman.


Lmao.

Again with last year, read post #50.

 

[yankeesince59]

...I love how he considers people pointing to Cashman's shortcomings as being "childish".

 

[Rick2583]

...I love how he considers people pointing to Cashman's shortcomings as being "childish".

Maybe they're related.

 

[blgridesagain]

...yup, he's the only one with this rosy outlook yet he tells us to just "Let it go guys....let it go".....amazing, isn't?

...like anyone else, he's entitled to his opinion, but if it were me with a singular point of view and I was grossly outnumbered, I'd get tired of beating my head up against the same old tired wall all the time.

" Let it go guys, let it go" was meant for, and only for the Headley/Prado thing.
The move has been made - it's done....Headley here, Prado traded.
Post 21.....go back and see where it was referenced in the post.
That's all I meant by that statement. Fair enough?

 

[blgridesagain]

You're thinking WHAT WAS, while the rest of us are thinking WHAT IS. We're talking about THIS year. And the moves Cashman did & didn't make to improve on last season. Try & keep up.

______________

Very fine and timely post Rick. I'll happily address it and clear the air on these "issues".
My points about what was (last year), was attempting to point out what "could've" been if the offense (I still can't blame Cashman for the whole shebang) didn't go into the tank....
If the offense was merely in the top half or top 3rd in the league in most categories I believe they would've qualified for a WC then it's a crap shoot...look at KC....then would "we" be so anti- Cashman coming into this year? Maybe, maybe not.

Now the good stuff -
I realize I am in the small opposition minority on probably the three biggest current Yankee issues.

1) Cashman. I have said in other posts I'm willing to give him a pass on last year for the reasons I've already given in other posts.
I am NOT a big fan of Cashman but I will wait and see what the team looks like and performs this year before I take out my ax, lol.

And I didn't like trading away Greene and have already said so when the deal went down. Cashman is indeed taking a risk with the Gregarious trade but "they" believe they may have found a good young inexpensive SS who can progress enough with the bat to seal the position. We're just going to have to wait and see.....and by the way, I did like Greene but I doubt he'll be a future top of the rotation guy....IMO.

2) My expectations of the (approx) number of wins the Yanks will have this year,90.
If you want to call it 89-91....lol.....go right ahead, I think you get my point.

3) Finally, Arod, lol
Of course I know he's been a creep....and of course I understand why he is hated by many and the "board" wants him GONE.
But just have feeling there's a fair chance he has enough in the tank to play enough and provide a little jolt to the DH spot which will do wonders for this team's offense.....which in turn will help put more points on the scoreboard.
He gets along well with the mgr, and as long as he doesn't cause any friction or personal problems with team mates, I will hope he can help the team WIN games.

You know, there have been big creeps amoung the clubhouse in the past.
I don't see Arod causing those problems...this is his last rodeo.
Just my assessment of this Arod situation....and the media will ALWAYS be sniffing around, just like during the Bronx Zoo days.
Most/all disagree with me on these issues, that's okay, I enjoy a little give and take....
......but there are also plenty of things we agree upon!

Thanks Rick. Glad to air it out.