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barfo said:
You are incorrect. Obviously.

barfo
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Yes, affordable housing still exists from the time you came up. Right. Right.

This is exactly the stuff MSNBC and CNN was selling to the populace. The economy is great. Look at these numbers! Just ditch the avocado and toast!
 
AmirIcon said:
I know there is a spectrum of corruption, but if the line is "don't vote for corruption" then you'd be sitting out nearly every election and seat.
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I am so happy to see you acknowledge that there is a spectrum. So the rational thing to do is vote for less corruption, not more corruption, rather than sitting out. That's all I'm arguing for.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I am so happy to see you acknowledge that there is a spectrum. So the rational thing to do is vote for less corruption, not more corruption, rather than sitting out. That's all I'm arguing for.

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I understand your position, but it is not a winning one. There were many "less corrupt" Democrats who won elections, and the conditions for life continued to get worse under their leadership. This is why it is faulty to suggest you can vote your way out of this hellhole.
 
AmirIcon said:
Yes, affordable housing still exists from the time you came up. Right. Right.

This is exactly the stuff MSNBC and CNN was selling to the populace. The economy is great. Look at these numbers! Just ditch the avocado and toast!
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Affordable housing didn't have much bearing on my journey. If I'd been forced to spend a much higher percentage of my income on housing at any point, that would have been a bummer, but it wouldn't have changed anything for me professionally.

I acknowledge that housing costs are significantly higher now.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I certainly do. Eric Adams as well. And the NJ senator with the gold bars - I'm blanking on his name right now.
And any other corrupt politician, I blame those that voted for them.
Voting for more corruption as a protest against corruption is fucking idiotic.

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Bob Menendez

Yeah, Dems fucked up voting for those candidates. Unfortunately, there are bad apples amongst the crop, but there are lots more bad apples on the right and Amirlcon fails to see that. There is a lot less corruption on the left and many candidates who do care about their constituents and making the country better for the people.
 
AmirIcon said:
I understand your position, but it is not a winning one. There were many "less corrupt" Democrats who won elections, and the conditions for life continued to get worse under their leadership. This is why it is faulty to suggest you can vote your way out of this hellhole.
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I'm arguing for not intentionally making things worse.

Of course, lack of corruption doesn't guarantee a good outcome - an uncorrupt person can still make bad decisions.

barfo
 
AmirIcon said:
I understand your position, but it is not a winning one. There were many "less corrupt" Democrats who won elections, and the conditions for life continued to get worse under their leadership. This is why it is faulty to suggest you can vote your way out of this hellhole.
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I don't that's because they were bad or corrupt necessarily. More good intentions without the backbone to play hard like the right has.

The GOP has completely sold out its country and it's people. The party does not represent at all the people. They represent the rich and only the rich. They are willing to reverse robin hood the poor so the rich can have a few more dollars which they would not have missed anyway. It's just pure greed.

There are those too on the left in government who are beholden to lobbyists and thus the rich, but there is a difference. The left still tried to help the actual people with programs, better health care, and such. The Republicans do nothing but cut that stuff.
 
barfo said:
Affordable housing didn't have much bearing on my journey. If I'd been forced to spend a much higher percentage of my income on housing at any point, that would have been a bummer, but it wouldn't have changed anything for me professionally.

I acknowledge that housing costs are significantly higher now.

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Affordable housing has a bearing on ALL OUR JOURNEYS. It is the beginning and end to our freedom and our prospects to fulfill our potentials.

This is why you sound wildly out of touch.
 
This is a REALLY bad time to both sides. We already know its both sides in its totality.

However, its OBJECTIVELY clear there's clear corruption happening, and it's OPENLY being done by the GOP and people both elected and not elected in the white house.
 
Chris Craig said:
Bob Menendez

Yeah, Dems fucked up voting for those candidates. Unfortunately, there are bad apples amongst the crop, but there are lots more bad apples on the right and Amirlcon fails to see that.
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What? I've said this a million times. The right is more corrupt. Duh. Where have you been?

One is fast tracking the rich taking over, the other is is still fast, but not as fast as the other.
 
AmirIcon said:
Affordable housing has a bearing on ALL OUR JOURNEYS. It is the beginning and end to our freedom and our prospects to fulfill our potentials.

This is why you sound wildly out of touch.
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I think housing was naturally more affordable then. Affordable housing wasn't needed as much. Sounds like he was someone who worked hard and made good choices. Maybe plundered a ship or two.
 
Strenuus said:
This is a REALLY bad time to both sides. We already know its both sides in its totality.

However, its OBJECTIVELY clear there's clear corruption happening, and it's OPENLY being done by the GOP and people both elected and not elected in the white house.
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Yes, and that's why people who are obsessing about Trump are missing the point. The SYSTEM is FUCKED. 8 years ago it was Trump, now it is Elon. There will be more. There will be worse. The system that allows this is the problem, less so are the actual candidates.
 
Strenuus said:
This is a REALLY bad time to both sides. We already know its both sides in its totality.

However, its OBJECTIVELY clear there's clear corruption happening, and it's OPENLY being done by the GOP and people both elected and not elected in the white house.
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It is

The GOP completely sold out the people and the DEMS forgot the people and focused to hard on Trump. They screwed up bad.

Neither side looks good right now. I agree.
 
AmirIcon said:
Yes, and that's why people who are obsessing about Trump are missing the point. The SYSTEM is FUCKED. 8 years ago it was Trump, now it is Elon. There will be more. There will be worse. The system that allows this is the problem, less so are the actual candidates.
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So then why are we both sidesing this when the threat is right in front of us? A streamlined coherent tackling is how this works, but we have no one fighting for us because of both sidesing
 
Chris Craig said:
I think housing was naturally more affordable then. Affordable housing wasn't needed as much. Sounds like he was someone who worked hard and made good choices. Maybe plundered a ship or two.
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But you just made my point. You think of affordable housing as a policy. It was a given back then. It wasn't a consideration because it was actually affordable. It's beyond hilarious to hear someone say affordable housing had nothing to do with their success. lol
 
Strenuus said:
So then why are we both sidesing this when the threat is right in front of us? A streamlined coherent tackling is how this works, but we have no one fighting for us because of both sidesing
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Because the Democrats made the conditions of where we're at today possible just as much as the GOP did. That's why. Look, I'm much more on the side of Democrats, that is why I am more critical of them. The GOP is totally garbagio and there's no conversation to be had there. There are good progressives in the Democratic party who don't take PAC money. The only way our situation gets fixed is by rightfully criticizing both sides, not one. Because both sides made today possible. It didn't come out of nowhere.
 
AmirIcon said:
What? I've said this a million times. The right is more corrupt. Duh. Where have you been?

One is fast tracking the rich taking over, the other is is still fast, but not as fast as the other.
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You have been contending that both sides are just as bad and we are screwed either way. We would be a good deal better off had Kamala won. We'd still have problems with the system...that's the nature of a two party system that is ever battling for different things.

People wouldn't be in fear of losing their livelihoods or in fear because of their sexuality, gender, or politics. We wouldn't have an administration trying to dismantle the entirety of the federal government which the people rely on.
 
AmirIcon said:
It's beyond hilarious to hear someone say affordable housing had nothing to do with their success. lol
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Why?

Certainly, if you literally cannot afford any sort of housing at all, and have to sleep on the street, then you are fucked. And no question, a lot of people today are in that situation.

But, if you can afford some sort of housing, even it is a roach-infested dump or shared with 7 of your least-closest friends, how does that keep you from success in your chosen profession?

It doesn't, because I lived in places fitting those descriptions.

barfo
 
AmirIcon said:
But you just made my point. You think of affordable housing as a policy. It was a given back then. It wasn't a consideration because it was actually affordable. It's beyond hilarious to hear someone say affordable housing had nothing to do with their success. lol
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I'm saying it didn't have to do with his according to him, because things were better then. Since then it's got all fucked up. Mass inflation has caused a necessity for affordable housing because people's salaries aren't enough any more to compete with the prices of rent, bills, and goods. Me and you are a bit younger than Barfo. Our journeys have required affordable housing.
 
Chris Craig said:
You have been contending that both sides are just as bad and we are screwed either way. We would be a good deal better off had Kamala won. We'd still have problems with the system...that's the nature of a two party system that is ever battling for different things.
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We are screwed either way, yes I believe that. I also agree that the conditions under Kamala would be better. I've said this over and over again.

People wouldn't be in fear of losing their livelihoods
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Well, that's not true. Plenty of people were fearing of losing their livelihoods, that's why they voted the other way.

or in fear because of their sexuality, gender, or politics. We wouldn't have an administration trying to dismantle the entirety of the federal government which the people rely on.
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Agreed.
 
AmirIcon said:
We are screwed either way, yes I believe that. I also agree that the conditions under Kamala would be better. I've said this over and over again.


Well, that's not true. Plenty of people were fearing of losing their livelihoods, that's why they voted the other way.


Agreed.
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They weren't in fear like they are now of losing their livelihoods. There weren't bulk firings and the threat of losing medicare and social security to cuts. There weren't tariffs that were causing companies to lay off employees in mass. Etc etc.
 
Chris Craig said:
They weren't in fear like they are now of losing their livelihoods. There weren't bulk firings and the threat of losing medicare and social security to cuts. There weren't tariffs that were causing companies to lay off employees in mass. Etc etc.
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No argument that it is worse now, but that's doesn't negate that the entire system and both parties are not going to lead Americans to a prosperous place.
 
AmirIcon said:
Things have gotten worse economically in this country since the 80's. Both Republican and Democrats contributed to the conditions. Lots of people worked hard. This is a fairy tale. The system must fall if it has any chance to improve and serve the people.
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Or we could just fix those problems...
 
If the party would have handled it better in respect to allowing several candidates the opportunity at convention, Trump wouldn't be president now. Kamala was like running a 4th string qb in the Super Bowl.
 
AmirIcon said:
What's their motivation when you have dimwits who continue to scream "blue no matter who"?
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If dems use the same playbook and not try and appeal to middle America some, they lose again.
 
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