It's Time to Play Nurkic With the Bench

[blue9]

6 fewer FTAs now too. I'd rather see more threes than free throws.

I'd much rather put up with 3 additional shooting fouls than 29 additional 3-pointers.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I love how you as a 22 year old child have seen enough over the years to know Terry Stotts is the problem for sure... you have a lot to learn kid... Dame and CJ ain’t changing for nobody... this is who they are

I love how people on here who are sooo sure of their opinion being a fact, they make posts like this about others strong opinions.

I love how this poster is soo for sure about the bolded statement he doesn't realize how hypocritical this post is....

One of the many reasons why I hardly visit this place anymore. Too many angry know it alls....

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I love how people on here who are sooo sure of their opinion being a fact, they make posts like this about others strong opinions.

I love how this poster is soo for sure about the bolded statement he doesn't realize how hypocritical this post is....

One of the many reasons why I hardly visit this place anymore. Too many angry know it alls....

WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT ANGRY KNOW-IT-ALLS?!

 

[riverman]

My biggest wish for change would be at this point in the season benching cold shooters instead of letting them try to find their shot in extended minutes...Layman needs minutes and at this point I'd bench Zach more and play Meyers more of his minutes. Building some trade value before the deadline would be important to me and Meyers has built some trade value....give him court time now and look to swap him for a rim protecting backup center or an upgrade at the wing. If you swap him for a wing you play a lot of second half of the season small ball with Biggie, Zach and Nurk with Mo and Chief as well. I'd put Layman back in the starting role and bring Mo off the bench tomorrow but I'd play Jake more minutes in the second half

 

[kjironman1]

Damn, so coaches are invincible huh? Nobody can be correct in criticizing their on court product because they cant possibly know what they deal with behind closed doors? Do you realize how ridiculous that is?

It's easy to say "our role players suck". You know what's hard? Describing why our coach sucks at a detailed, schematic level, something I've never really seen you do. Thats fine, it's just that you want to talk about others "easy" opinions... nah dude.

And your gonna try to use things said during the course of a game that's in reference to individual plays to try to make your whole point? Yikes.

Tired of people not understanding or listening to the others trying to explain well thought out and detailed opinions how we struggle from a coaching standpoint,. If that happens, fine, just dont come back with so hypocritical stuff like "Thats an easy opinion. Our talent sucks".

Great way to read a comment and not understand a word that was said. Then even funnier ending your comment complaining about people not understanding or listening to an OPINION.
Bones your opinions are well thought out to say the least but they are just that. Opinions. All i said in the previous comment was that if you talked to a coach he might open your eyes also. Unless of course you are unwilling understand or listen to a coach that has 400 NBA wins under his belt? I mean honestly now. How many NBA wins.... Er NCAA wins....ER High School wins.... Er maybe it's NBA assistant coach wins.... Assistant College coaching wins.... Assistant High School coaching wins.... awe shucks lets just say it for what it really is S2 3 on 3 tournament coaching wins do you have under your belt?

Would it really be so hard to just say "Yeah you know Stotts might be dealing with things we don't see and he might know a few things we don't know."

And also where did you come up with me using things said during the course of a game? Where in the heck did that come from? All i said is that there are numerous posts by you and many others that say players "Suck". That ain't game threads brother. That is in just about every thread in this forum. Not to mention how many times you have railed to have Coach Stotts fired. It just seems that there are quite a few people that might be more informed than you that feel he is a pretty decent coach. Not just decent but a number have said he is the best coach they have ever had.

My OPINION stands. It's easy to say "The Coach Sucks!"

 

[kjironman1]

My biggest wish for change would be at this point in the season benching cold shooters instead of letting them try to find their shot in extended minutes...Layman needs minutes and at this point I'd bench Zach more and play Meyers more of his minutes. Building some trade value before the deadline would be important to me and Meyers has built some trade value....give him court time now and look to swap him for a rim protecting backup center or an upgrade at the wing. If you swap him for a wing you play a lot of second half of the season small ball with Biggie, Zach and Nurk with Mo and Chief as well. I'd put Layman back in the starting role and bring Mo off the bench tomorrow but I'd play Jake more minutes in the second half

Can't disagree at all with benching cold shooters and giving minutes to players that need to be showcased. My only issue would be Meyers. We just dealt with Nurk having a bad shoulder. the Blazers were woefully short on bigs. Not sure Meyers will be going anywhere this season?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

The problem with benching cold shooters is that they dont get them Easy Baskets to get them going. They continue taking 25 footers guarded or not hoping they’ll eventually go in.

The way almost every shooter Ive ever been around gets going (when they’re having bad nights) is when they get some stuff going to the basket try to get them a layup or to the free throw line. I have a lot of dislike for the offense when Dame, CJ, Nik, Zach, whoever is obviously cold and they continue to jack up tough shots or 3’s.

This is actually what bothers me about how they use Zach on offense. I think Zach is best used in the post, he’s shown he has a good knack for feeling pressure, he’s got good post moves, his footwork is good. The few times he’s had a chance go to work he’s done well. If they used that it would help the 2nd unit slow down and play patient basketball. They dont have to go to it every play but I think putting him on the high or low post 3-5 times a game would really help the 2nd unit. Just throwing it out there Zach has proven to be a little spotty with his 3 pointers so why make him camp out at the 3 point line all the time? Especially when he can in the post effectively.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I love how people on here who are sooo sure of their opinion being a fact, they make posts like this about others strong opinions.

I love how this poster is soo for sure about the bolded statement he doesn't realize how hypocritical this post is....

One of the many reasons why I hardly visit this place anymore. Too many angry know it alls....

You need to use the ignore poster feature. It works great. For example, I have no idea who, or what you are talking about in this post. If you quoted someone, it must be someone I have on ignore, because I can't see anything, bolded statement, or otherwise, you are referencing.

Not everyone here is worthy of your time, and certainly not worth diminishing your participation and enjoyment of the forum. Put them on ignore and go happily about your business of enjoying the forum.

BNM

 

[tykendo]

I think it's time to , just play Nurkic more for crying out loud. Leonard should be on a 1 minute leash. Play well, get more time, play aloof and continue to let guards score at will in the paint, cheerleader time.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I think it's time to , just play Nurkic more for crying out loud. Leonard should be on a 1 minute leash. Play well, get more time, play aloof and continue to let guards score at will in the paint, cheerleader time.

Nurk might not have the conditioning to play a lot more minutes. He’s a big, big dude.

 

[tykendo]

Nurk might not have the conditioning to play a lot more minutes. He’s a big, big dude.

Maybe, but lets find out.

 

[tykendo]

At least 33 minutes per. Build him up. If he stays at 24, he'll never build up to what this team really needs from him on a nightly basis.

 

[tykendo]

Embid is a big, big, big, dude too. With injury past. He's always above 30.

 

[tykendo]

Went to look at stats, and Nurk is averaging over 30 minutes the last 7 games. Continue to push upward. Season avg. 26 mins pers. Embid at 34.

 

[tester551]

You need to use the ignore poster feature. It works great. For example, I have no idea who, or what you are talking about in this post. If you quoted someone, it must be someone I have on ignore, because I can't see anything, bolded statement, or otherwise, you are referencing.

Not everyone here is worthy of your time, and certainly not worth diminishing your participation and enjoyment of the forum. Put them on ignore and go happily about your business of enjoying the forum.

BNM

Agreed. However, Its also fruatrating because I can't get it to work for 1 peticular poster.

 

[BonesJones]

Great way to read a comment and not understand a word that was said. Then even funnier ending your comment complaining about people not understanding or listening to an OPINION.
Bones your opinions are well thought out to say the least but they are just that. Opinions. All i said in the previous comment was that if you talked to a coach he might open your eyes also. Unless of course you are unwilling understand or listen to a coach that has 400 NBA wins under his belt? I mean honestly now. How many NBA wins.... Er NCAA wins....ER High School wins.... Er maybe it's NBA assistant coach wins.... Assistant College coaching wins.... Assistant High School coaching wins.... awe shucks lets just say it for what it really is S2 3 on 3 tournament coaching wins do you have under your belt?

Would it really be so hard to just say "Yeah you know Stotts might be dealing with things we don't see and he might know a few things we don't know."

And also where did you come up with me using things said during the course of a game? Where in the heck did that come from? All i said is that there are numerous posts by you and many others that say players "Suck". That ain't game threads brother. That is in just about every thread in this forum. Not to mention how many times you have railed to have Coach Stotts fired. It just seems that there are quite a few people that might be more informed than you that feel he is a pretty decent coach. Not just decent but a number have said he is the best coach they have ever had.

My OPINION stands. It's easy to say "The Coach Sucks!"

Weal argument. Heres your logic: How many NBA points do you have? None? Therefore you can't criticize the coach. Have you ever won a local election? None? Therefore you can't criticize the president.

"Would it really be so hard to just say "Yeah you know Stotts might be dealing with things we don't see and he might know a few things we don't know.""
All NBA coaches know something we don't and deal with stuff we can't see. Didn't mean we can't accurately see their flaws. Doesnt mean I can't notice that he gusted the pick n roll the same way for Steph Curry as he does Rajon Rondo. Doesnt mean I can't tell how few sets we run and how Iunproductive the are going to the rim. Doesn't mean I can't see him giving Layman the Vonleh treatment. Doesnt mean I can't see how he doesn't have a counter to Dame being trapped. Doesn't mean I can't see him running pick n roll just past half court when Dames getting continually trapped, etc etc etc.

I really have only been saying players (and really only Stauskas) in game threads. I have continually said our fanbase underrates our roster.

 

[BonesJones]

I love how you as a 22 year old child have seen enough over the years to know Terry Stotts is the problem for sure... you have a lot to learn kid... Dame and CJ ain’t changing for nobody... this is who they are

Do you know basketball more than Zach Collins? The "I know more because I'm older" crap is the weakest argument possible.


Dame and C.J. have played for one coach who's known for not holding players accountable
How the hell do you know if they wouldn't change? You dont...

 

[Driew]

The title of this thread scared the shit out of me. Thought OP was saying to bench nurk. Was about to post how well it worked for Denver benching nurk lol.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Do you know basketball more than Zach Collins? The "I know more because I'm older" crap is the weakest argument possible.



Dame and C.J. have played for one coach who's known for not holding players accountable
How the hell do you know if they wouldn't change? You dont...

McLillard will never work... They love Stotts... if they won’t change for him they won’t change for anyone

 

[BonesJones]

McLillard will never work... They love Stotts... if they won’t change for him they won’t change for anyone

They love Stotts because Stotts doesnt hold them accountable and hes a players coach. They need a coach they respect, who holds them accountable.

You seriously think that a coaches ability to get the most out of a player is based on how likeable they are? Seriously? Lmao.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Do you know basketball more than Zach Collins? The "I know more because I'm older" crap is the weakest argument possible.


Dame and C.J. have played for one coach who's known for not holding players accountable
How the hell do you know if they wouldn't change? You dont...

We all know you know basketball. Playing Basketball, studying it obviously helps but experience also helps. In 5 years you’ll know more than you do today if you continue to work at it.

I think it is a weak arguement for him to make that you’re young so you must be dumb.

Honestly you could put 10 of the best coaches in the history of basketball in a room and probably get 10 different answers to how they’d “fix” the Blazers. Phil ran a much different system than Pop, Red ran a much different system than wooden, etc. I bet they would all take a step back and listen to what the other guys had to say though.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

We're clearly missing the vocal leadership of Ed Davis and before him Gerald Henderson or Earl Watson, even Chris Kaman or Mo Williams...seems that Pat Connaughton had that energy ….ET seems to be the vocal guy...Chief is at times...Nurk, not so much nor Dame or CJ

One thing roster wise Ive never quite understood in this “rebuild” is how little NO seems to have valued old dudes. I know Dame is the leader of the team, but bringing in a guy like VC or some other olderish guy to just teach guys things. Maybe I over-value that role, but Ive always seen that as a pretty important role.

 

[TBpup]

One thing roster wise Ive never quite understood in this “rebuild” is how little NO seems to have valued old dudes. I know Dame is the leader of the team, but bringing in a guy like VC or some other olderish guy to just teach guys things. Maybe I over-value that role, but Ive always seen that as a pretty important role.

Dame was on record as appreciating Kaman as a vet leader type who had his back.

 

[Gronk Brady]

McLillard is an epic failure

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I don't get your overall point and hopes it applies to this guy.

I guess my overall point was that people see the game differently from the lowest levels to the highest levels. Now I think almost all coaches / players / etc, get to the point to where we know what good basketball looks like, but how they would implement it varies.

Im not questioning if you know the game, I know you know basketball.

Just like sometimes an NBA game or an NFL game you’ll see a qb throw the ball where he thinks his receiver will be and the receiver read it differently and broke the route. Both obviously know football they just saw it differently.

I guess I just thought him saying your 22 so you dont know anything was a stupid response but your response about your rec league seemed weird to me. You have plenty of posts on here, your TBF videos plenty of places you can point to as proof you know the game.

 

[BonesJones]

McLillard is an epic failure

Lmao.

 

[riverman]

Weal argument.

Elmer Fudd rules! Wacky Wabbit!

 

[kjironman1]

Weal argument. Heres your logic: How many NBA points do you have? None? Therefore you can't criticize the coach. Have you ever won a local election? None? Therefore you can't criticize the president.

"Would it really be so hard to just say "Yeah you know Stotts might be dealing with things we don't see and he might know a few things we don't know.""
All NBA coaches know something we don't and deal with stuff we can't see. Didn't mean we can't accurately see their flaws. Doesnt mean I can't notice that he gusted the pick n roll the same way for Steph Curry as he does Rajon Rondo. Doesnt mean I can't tell how few sets we run and how Iunproductive the are going to the rim. Doesn't mean I can't see him giving Layman the Vonleh treatment. Doesnt mean I can't see how he doesn't have a counter to Dame being trapped. Doesn't mean I can't see him running pick n roll just past half court when Dames getting continually trapped, etc etc etc.

I really have only been saying players (and really only Stauskas) in game threads. I have continually said our fanbase underrates our roster.

This post is way too long so i suspect you won't read it.

No my logic is- You have never even sniffed being in his position. He has more knowledge than you about not only this team but the intricacies of the people's lives he is coaching. I personally feel the two toughest jobs i have ever done are teaching and coaching. The way you want to understand it is your choice. If you want to put a spin on things that is your prerogative.
Now i can also go into countless situational instances that would back up my opinion. Experience tends to do that to a person. But in the end you will only listen to what you believe as has been shown on this board countless times. You responded to my opinion originally with "I hate posts like this"

People always want to blame the coach. I can understand that. But in reality this team is made up of a seconds. Very few solid players on this team.

I HATE posts like this. "People always want to blame the coach".

You didn't even respond to the original statement and you didn't even give credit to the "I can understand that" portion of the statement. The original statement is about the quality of players this coach is dealing with.

Here comes my OPINION part. I feel Stotts has done an admirable job with the talent he has to work with. I feel Stotts is human and has made a number of mistakes throughout his time here with the Blazers. I feel the problem sits more with Neil Olshey and the contractual issues this team has been dealing with. I feel Stotts would be in a much better position if he had a true Power Forward on this roster. I feel Stotts and the Blazer fan base in general took a huge hit when Aldridge left and they are still reeling from it. I feel if there was ever a time for a coaching replacement it should be sooner than later and a replacement interviews should include Ettore Messina as well as Mike Budenholzer. I also like Nick Nurse and Lloyd Pierce.

Here is the Biggest one- I feel until this team gets the ownership issue out of the way no huge changes will be made. I also feel the meeting that took place last year between Lillard and ownership and the hints that HCP dropped were that Paul Allen indeed knew much earlier than was reported that he was sick again. I feel there is a fracture within the team right now and a number of players do not have the same personal fortitude about sticking it out here as Lillard does.

Again- I have no idea the breadth of influences Terry Stotts is dealing with at this time. He may be preaching constantly about running the Pick n Roll out closer to mid court. He may be screaming in the locker room about the defensive problems. I'm pretty sure you don't know either.

 

[kjironman1]

They love Stotts because Stotts doesnt hold them accountable and hes a players coach. They need a coach they respect, who holds them accountable.

You seriously think that a coaches ability to get the most out of a player is based on how likeable they are? Seriously? Lmao.

Exactly what is Stotts supposed to do to "Hold Them Accountable". Is he supposed to dog them more in practice? Run a few extra sprints? Is he supposed to yell and scream at them? Is he supposed to do that in the Moda Center in front of fans so you know it is happening? Or is he supposed to do this behind closed doors? Are you simply looking for him to bench players? How long are those benching supposed to last? How do you think Professional NBA players should be treated? Maybe it should be belittling them in the video sessions?
Please enlighten us?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Exactly what is Stotts supposed to do to "Hold Them Accountable". Is he supposed to dog them more in practice? Run a few extra sprints? Is he supposed to yell and scream at them? Is he supposed to do that in the Moda Center in front of fans so you know it is happening? Or is he supposed to do this behind closed doors? Are you simply looking for him to bench players? How long are those benching supposed to last? How do you think Professional NBA players should be treated? Maybe it should be belittling them in the video sessions?
Please enlighten us?

If it were me--pull guys off the floor when they're clearly ignoring something that has allegedly been identified as a coaching mandate. For example, he's pulled Meyers out of a game for not shooting when he's supposed to. But has he ever pulled CJ for a few minutes for lazy defense? Sat ET down for shooting a three? Pull Aminu for losing track of guys on consecutive defensive possessions? Pulled Dame for slowly walking the ball up the court in situations where he could/should be pushing it?

We're not a championship team. Clearly. There should be no fear over losing a couple games by benching players temporarily to drive home a point--especially a point he's repeatedly claimed he's making "behind the scenes". But I don't know if I've ever seen him do it to a starter.