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Natebishop3 said:
No Duncan. I think the days of them rolling the league are over. Parker and Manu are both ancient, and frankly I think LMA is a joke. Kawhi is the only player on that team that I fear.
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Agreed. Except they also have Pop.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Agreed. Except they also have Pop.
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Yeah soon Pop, Ginobli, and Parker will retire, Kwai and Aldridge will leave and they will be fucked. A bottom of the barrell team coached by Messina or Hammon
 
Denny Crane said:
It sure seemed like we were that good with him healthy for those 20 games.

I think Nurk is worth more than +4 wins.
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Nurk's 14-6 contributes to us getting to 41 this year. You take him off, we don't get to 41. So it's not exactly + 4. It's 45- (41- Nurk's contribution this year).
 
HCP said:
I think you leave this roster AS IS with everybody staying healthy, this is a 50 win team. You package these pics with a couple of our high priced vets and you have a 55 win squad.
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I can agree with this; 48-52 wins versus 54-58 wins. Outside of our big three, our team is below average in every respect. Even two slightly above average players would make a huge difference if they support the big three.

I personally think the draft and two years of time will give us one of the two, and we can trade for the other when we're ready.
 
I think as the team is currently constituted, it's a 45-50 win team. Which is pretty good--they could contend for a 4 seed. They need more talented supporting cast players to push it much above that.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Nurk's 14-6 contributes to us getting to 41 this year. You take him off, we don't get to 41. So it's not exactly + 4. It's 45- (41- Nurk's contribution this year).
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Total bs number but it feels like Nurk netted us about 6 wins; I think we go 8-12 over that stretch without him.
 
HCP said:
I honestly think they will come out of the West. Don't know why. I just feel the supporting cast will give the Dubs a tough time.
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I hope you're right. I'll actually root for LaMarCooch to kill them.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Nurk's 14-6 contributes to us getting to 41 this year. You take him off, we don't get to 41. So it's not exactly + 4. It's 45- (41- Nurk's contribution this year).
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Like I said, I don't even think adding 75% of Nurk's PT is only good for 4 wins.

I'm not overrating him. He's still unproven and didn't win the job in Denver. On the other hand, what he does is balance the lineup, providing defense and inside scoring to complement our lack of D and outside scoring elsewhere.

We were a better team with Plums than without Plums and Nurk, but that's stating the obvious. Nurk also missed 7 games after the injury, in which we went 4-3. We might have won 6 or even 7 of those with him.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Total bs number but it feels like Nurk netted us about 6 wins; I think we go 8-12 over that stretch without him.
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Exactly, so we end up with maybe 35 wins if we have Plums and no Nurk.

So next year, estimating that we get to around 45 with a full year of Nurk isn't THAT far fetched. That's nearly 30% more wins. Shoutout to @TBpup for the % stuff. :)
 
Chris Craig said:
Yeah soon Pop, Ginobli, and Parker will retire, Kwai and Aldridge will leave and they will be fucked. A bottom of the barrell team coached by Messina or Hammon
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I believe there next head coach will be my childhood friend Ime Udoka to tell you the truth.
 
HCP said:
I believe there next head coach will be my childhood friend Ime Udoka to tell you the truth.
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Really over Messina...or the first woman head coach in the NBA Hammon...yeah your right it will probably be Udoka
 
Im thinking Hammon though. The SPurs will continue to have big time attention with her, but if not could fade away like many smaller markets, but if they get her as HC, then its a trendsetting first that will garner tons of attention the first couple of years.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Im thinking Hammon though. The SPurs will continue to have big time attention with her, but if not could fade away like many smaller markets, but if they get her as HC, then its a trendsetting first that will garner tons of attention the first couple of years.
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I hope she gets the job (obviously), because she's good at her job now, and could stretch into a HC gig. But also because no other team would hire her, so she needs San Antonio to promote her from within if we want women as head coaches ever (I know some of the jackals on here are against this, but fuck you).
 
BlazerCaravan said:
I hope she gets the job (obviously), because she's good at her job now, and could stretch into a HC gig. But also because no other team would hire her, so she needs San Antonio to promote her from within if we want women as head coaches ever (I know some of the jackals on here are against this, but fuck you).
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I am all for it. I think the Uconn coach would slaughter half the NBA coaches with identical rosters. Women coaches are very underrated in my opinion. They just need a shot and a little time to adjust.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I am all for it. I think the Uconn coach would slaughter half the NBA coaches with identical rosters. Women coaches are very underrated in my opinion. They just need a shot and a little time to adjust.
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A team of receptive and supportive players is important, which is why I feel like San Antonio is her only shot, not because of her skill so much as that the team knows her and would rally behind her. That's important to making other players feel okay with it, which makes more room for other women to move up the ranks too.
 
HCP said:
I think you leave this roster AS IS with everybody staying healthy, this is a 50 win team. You package these pics with a couple of our high priced vets and you have a 55 win squad.
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Oh god... in 2 years you'll be the next Kingspeed. :MARIS61:
 
There is a flaw in combining Picks with players as incentive to get another team to take said player. Let's use Meyers as an example. He's neither very good, or reasonably paid. In my book he's a classic "Financial Filler" contract for a larger deal. He's the guy you add to an underpaid so you can match salaries for a well paid starter. But trading him alone what we are likely to get is the least of what someone is willing to send, or likely a very similar player. Now we take that a step farther and add a 1st round pick to him to get the other team to pull the trigger. That 1st round pick may have more impact on the game than either Meyers or the Schlep we are trading for. Personally I would rather have Meyers and the Pick than say Aaron Baynes.

In reducing salary we should be looking at bang for your buck kinda trade. Get rid of the biggest problematic salary. Crabbe at least will seem serviceable and what we should be trying to get is a shorter contract in return. Go for the washed up not playing guy and have that team give us a pick instead. Something like Crabbe for Pekovic and a pick. That reduces our salary and continues to add assets for down the road.

Personally the mindset of continuing to shuffle picks away is an awesome tactic to get older faster and reside in mediocrity. We are the youngest team, and we did better than most other young teams, but by being the youngest team we have the luxury of not having to rush. The Cavaliers will fade, Spurs will Fade, Warriors I suspect will have a hard time holding it together. The Blazers need to be poised to say "I got Next".
 
Schilly said:
Personally the mindset of continuing to shuffle picks away is an awesome tactic to get older faster and reside in mediocrity. We are the youngest team, and we did better than most other young teams, but by being the youngest team we have the luxury of not having to rush. The Cavaliers will fade, Spurs will Fade, Warriors I suspect will have a hard time holding it together. The Blazers need to be poised to say "I got Next".
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These are all good and true words. As fans we've been waiting for next since 2007, but the team itself hasn't; it's brand new and still evolving. I can wait. I've waited much longer for much more important things; waiting for Lillard and company to win it all is doable.
 
We are not going to compete with Warriors (or Cavaliers) in the short term. The sooner we (and a lot of other teams) realize this, the better. The time we should be looking at is 3-5 years from now, and build for that period. CJ and Lillard will be basically vets then but when you look at how Spurs stars have aged, they can still be good then. Nurkic will be well into his prime. It's important to get young talent we can develop further, getting average players like Trevor Booker (one of many suggestions) now will help us get 3-5 more wins during regular season and that's it. It should not be the goal.
 
Sarni said:
We are not going to compete with Warriors (or Cavaliers) in the short term. The sooner we (and a lot of other teams) realize this, the better. The time we should be looking at is 3-5 years from now, and build for that period. CJ and Lillard will be basically vets then but when you look at how Spurs stars have aged, they can still be good then. Nurkic will be well into his prime. It's important to get young talent we can develop further, getting average players like Trevor Booker (one of many suggestions) now will help us get 3-5 more wins during regular season and that's it. It should not be the goal.
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Dame and Cj will be 29 and 28 in three years, which is perfect and basically right in their prime. Nurkic will be 26, which is entering his prime; Vonleh will be 25, and Hark will be 27... assuming they gel and improve together (Spurs philosophy again), we'd be really well setup in 3-5 years.
 
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I think that

dame
cj
nurk

are the conerstones, and

turner
hark
crabbe

are worth building with

everyone else can get whatever'd in order to bring in a couple guys who slot in between those two categories. its not impossible to think that could be a contender.
 
Rhal said:
I'm not sold our contracts are unmovable. Harkless seems like he would be pretty easy to move and Crabbe at 3 years left on his deal as a shooter that shoots over 40% from 3, who would be a teams starting SG not coming off the bench like he does for us, doesn't seem like a horrible contract. Meyers/Turner we are most likely stuck with but even Meyers you have a solid 7 footer who is a good 3p shooter who has played the second half of the season with 2 herniated discs in his back, with how the league is evolving to want a stretch 5 I don't think it will take a first rounder for a team to take him off our hands. Turner we are stuck with.
You go all in if there is a situation where a star becomes avaible but for the next two years the warriors are going to be an unbeatable road block in our way, I like the idea of aiming to be get better each year with the idea of being able to displace GS when in 2 years they can't have KD/curry/Green/Thompson under salary due to massive LT penalites.
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What about a Harkless (asset) and Turner (bad contract) package?? Do you think we'd be able to move that for free? Could we expect anything back?
 
3RA1N1AC said:
I think that

dame
cj
nurk

are the conerstones, and

turner
hark
crabbe

are worth building with

everyone else can get whatever'd in order to bring in a couple guys who slot in between those two categories. its not impossible to think that could be a contender.
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We can draft a Crabbe in Ferguson, and have Napier as our 3rd ball handler without much drop-off. That saves us over $30M. I don't think they're worth building around.
 
BonesJones said:
We can draft a Crabbe in Ferguson, and have Napier as our 3rd ball handler without much drop-off. That saves us over $30M. I don't think they're worth building around.
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not building around. building with.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
I think you have to have a combination of both to have a (hopefully) sustained run.
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Sustained run?? I don't care about that. One championship after a 40-year drought would make me deliriously happy.
 
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