J Salmons available.....

[1 Eye Jack]

Salmons and the Raptors

There has also been some interest shown between the Kings and the Toronto Raptors, with the Kings offering up John Salmons. As a free agent, however, Salmons made it clear he didn't want to play in Canada and Bryan Colangelo has a policy that he won't acquire players who don't want to make Canada home.


Interested?

 

[RR7]

I don't mind him, but if Toronto was willing to part with Bargnani, I'm not really willing to outbid them for him.

 

[Cake]

I don't mind him, but if Toronto was willing to part with Bargnani, I'm not really willing to outbid them for him.

Bargnani isn't an overwhelming bid though.

But I don't know why we'd want another shooting guard.

 

[craigehlo]

But I don't know why we'd want another shooting guard.

He plays both SG and SF. He's incredibly cheap for his offensive production ($5 million per year) and could take a hell of a lot of pressure off Roy.

We could take a bad contract back from them (Kenny Thomas?) and give them one of our SFs.

This trade works:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...454~2015~1726~849&teams=23~23~22~22&te=&cash=

 

[Iwatas]

It would be astonishingly cheap for a very good player. But where does that leave Rudy? Neither Roy nor Salmons should be playing huge minutes at PG, and none of these three players makes a great SF.

iWatas

 

[WarriorFan]

He plays both SG and SF. He's incredibly cheap for his offensive production ($5 million per year) and could take a hell of a lot of pressure off Roy.

We could take a bad contract back from them (Kenny Thomas?) and give them one of our SFs.

This trade works:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...454~2015~1726~849&teams=23~23~22~22&te=&cash=

Do you think he's an upgrade over the SFs you have now? And enough of an upgrade to take back Thomas' contract? I agree he's a good value but I wouldn't want him to play over Outlaw, Batum, or Webster.

I think he could help Portland out the most from the PG position. He's not a true PG but he's no more out of position there than he is at SF and he could provide a nice scoring punch from the 1 and improve the D.

 

[craigehlo]

It would be astonishingly cheap for a very good player. But where does that leave Rudy? Neither Roy nor Salmons should be playing huge minutes at PG, and none of these three players makes a great SF.

Salmons plays the SF when Kevin Martin is healthy (he did it all last season). He's playing SG out of necessity for the Kings. He's got a money jumper to stretch the defense and runs the break well.

 

[WarriorFan]

Salmons plays the SF when Kevin Martin is healthy (he did it all last season). He's playing SG out of necessity for the Kings. He's got a money jumper to stretch the defense and runs the break well.

He's versatile but he's not a SF. Of course he's not going to move Martin to the bench so the plays 3 when Martin's healthy. But he also plays PG when Beno is out and he's not a PG either. In Philly he played the 2.

 

[craigehlo]

Do you think he's an upgrade over the SFs you have now? And enough of an upgrade to take back Thomas' contract? I agree he's a good value but I wouldn't want him to play over Outlaw, Batum, or Webster.

Salmons is a 20/3.5/3 guy. That's a significant upgrade over any of the SFs on this squad. Kenny Thomas only has one more year left on his contract so it's not a crippling deal.

I'd still rather see Gerald Wallace on the team for defensive reasons, but Salmons would also be a nice upgrade.

 

[WarriorFan]

Salmons is a 20/3.5/3 guy. That's a significant upgrade over any of the SFs on this squad. Kenny Thomas only has one more year left on his contract so it's not a crippling deal.

I'd still rather see Gerald Wallace on the team for defensive reasons, but Salmons would also be a nice upgrade.

I don't have the stats in front of me but I live in Sac and see a pretty good amount of their games. Most of the games he scores well, he is the primary option. He plays well when Martin is out and last year he played well when Beno was out and the ball was in his hands every play. With a full compliment of players (if you can call the Kings roster that), he doesn't look all that impressive. Portland is stacked so there aren't going to be many plays run for him. I think you'll be left with good playmaking, not not much rebounding or scoring, and an undersized 3 on D.

 

[craigehlo]

But he also plays PG when Beno is out and he's not a PG either.

That sounds like Prince is doing at times in Motown. I'm not going to knock a guy for being versatile. He's a ballplayer that can handle the rock, slash and score.

A staring 5 of Blake/Roy/Salmons/LaMarcus/Oden looks like a big upgrade in offense.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I dunno, he's pretty much a 2/3 (not sure where somebody above got the impression he's a point guard?), a decent shooter, a good slasher, he's not too old at 29 and not horribly expensive either plus is also a pretty good defender for a wing. Yeah, I guess I could see him working out as a three for the Blazers.

 

[BasX]

As a Raptors fan, you guys have significantly better odds. In BC's first off-season here, he almost signed him but he shunned us, so we had to settle for Fred Jones. Eventually you guys got Fred because He didn't work with us.

 

[alex42083]

Salmons isn't too big of an upgrade to justify trading for. He's a good player but I don't think he's the answer.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Meh....

 

[barfo]

We should absolutely trade for Salmons. Think of the marketing. The nicknames.

barfo

 

[Pinwheel1]

I see Salmons as more of an outside shooter. He is good at it, but is that our weakness? If we make a trade we need a guy who can take it to the hoop consistently.

 

[Kaydow]

We should absolutely trade for Salmons. Think of the marketing. The nicknames.

barfo

"Salmonchanted evening at the Rose Garden"?

I don't think Salmons is what we need. Good scorer, good shooter, not a playmaker. No way he scores 20 ppg on a playoff team.

He couldn't break down the type of double teams B-Roy is being faced with. Then again, he's still an upgrade over our current SF's. What do we have to give to get him?

 

[craigehlo]

I see Salmons as more of an outside shooter.

He gets 4.6 free throw attempts a game and score twice what Outlaw scores. Yes he's a good fit.

 

[Nikolokolus]

He gets 4.6 free throw attempts a game and score twice what Outlaw scores. Yes he's a good fit.

All you have to do is watch him play and then go look at his stat line and you realize that he's an excellent slasher and shooter. He shoots for over 50% from the floor and is hitting at 43% from the three point line this year. Granted those numbers are way above his career averages and you'd probably expect some regression to the mean, but if anything you have to give him credit for stepping up big and filling the number one scoring option role with Martin out. I'm not blown away by Salmons, but he clearly has talent, and would be a substantial upgrade over Travis or Martell.

 

[Jurassic]

I agree with the general sentiment in this thread. I don't think we need to make a trade for a small upgrade, especially when we don't know what effects it could have on our chemistry. Keep the same core of players together for a few years and we will be unstoppable.

 

[craigehlo]

I don't think we need to make a trade for a small upgrade, especially when we don't know what effects it could have on our chemistry. Keep the same core of players together for a few years and we will be unstoppable.

The stated goal of management this year is to the make the playoffs and rightly so. This idea of infinite patience is what leads us to hold into guys like Telfair, Outlaw and Bonzi and pass on better players via draft and trades.

If you want to see how talented players develop, look at LMA, Roy and Rudy. If you want to see how mediocre role players develop look at Sergio, Outlaw and Frye. Those guys will probably get better, but not by much. And in TO's case, his scoring average dropped by 3 so far this season.

 

[barfo]

The stated goal of management this year is to the make the playoffs and rightly so. This idea of infinite patience is what leads us to hold into guys like Telfair, Outlaw and Bonzi and pass on better players via draft and trades.

We need to hold on to Telfair, Outlaw, and Bonzi. Those guys have a lot of upside and will be key in our playoff run. I'll be pissed if any of them are traded.

barfo

 

[Jurassic]

The stated goal of management this year is to the make the playoffs and rightly so. This idea of infinite patience is what leads us to hold into guys like Telfair, Outlaw and Bonzi and pass on better players via draft and trades.

If you want to see how talented players develop, look at LMA, Roy and Rudy. If you want to see how mediocre role players develop look at Sergio, Outlaw and Frye. Those guys will probably get better, but not by much. And in TO's case, his scoring average dropped by 3 so far this season.

Uh, no. Telfair was an experiment and they should have known better. He was drafted too high to be traded, we should have taken Jameer Nelson in the first place. Telfair wasn't ever going to bring much via trade after people saw him play in the NBA.

Bonzi was too much of a cancer to be traded. You don't really think that we were getting offers for him left and right do you? He was a problem for Cheeks, a problem in the locker room, and on the court (didn't he spit in Danny Ferry's face once?)

As for Outlaw, he fits in the system and we know it. Getting Salmons is a risk. As you said the goal this year is the playoffs, and with our squad I believe that will happen no movement needed. Of course I want to see the team improve through trades, but like someone else said this isn't a big enough upgrade.

 

[craigehlo]

Uh, no. Telfair was an experiment and they should have known better. He was drafted too high to be traded, we should have taken Jameer Nelson in the first place. Telfair wasn't ever going to bring much via trade after people saw him play in the NBA.

Bonzi was too much of a cancer to be traded. You don't really think that we were getting offers for him left and right do you? He was a problem for Cheeks, a problem in the locker room, and on the court (didn't he spit in Danny Ferry's face once?)

As for Outlaw, he fits in the system and we know it. Getting Salmons is a risk. As you said the goal this year is the playoffs, and with our squad I believe that will happen no movement needed. Of course I want to see the team improve through trades, but like someone else said this isn't a big enough upgrade.

We should have known after one season that Telfair wasn't the player we were hoping for. Instead we passed on CP3 and "let the cake bake." Bonzi was absolutely held onto too long and we even extended his contract. He's was Enron stock circa 2000 and we didn't see it was time to move him even though there were ample warning signs.

Outlaw fits a team that expects ill-advised jumpers and no perimeter defense. It's a self fulfilling prophecy for the team that relies on him.

 

[roydezlaw]

I see Salmons as more of an outside shooter. He is good at it, but is that our weakness? If we make a trade we need a guy who can take it to the hoop consistently.

I would have never guessed Salmons could shoot from the outside after watching him blow by our guards for layup after layup.

 

[Jurassic]

We should have known after one season that Telfair wasn't the player we were hoping for.

I think we are agreeing with each other here. It's not really fair to judge a player after one year, especially someone who came straight out of high school. I assume that management thought Telfair had an upside ("potential") so they rolled with him for a while. We weren't about to get much in return after his first year, so they wanted to see what he could become.

Bonzi was absolutely held onto too long and we even extended his contract. He's was Enron stock circa 2000 and we didn't see it was time to move him even though there were ample warning signs.

I don't really agree with that. For one, this was during a time when the Blazers were stirring up a lot of trouble on and off the court. There were a lot of guys they wanted to move remember? Damon and Sheed were getting in trouble together and as individuals, Bonzi wasn't respecting his coach, Zach Randolph punched Ruben Patterson during a practice. For a couple years the team was a mess. They moved Sheed first, and they were probably working on deals for Bonzi for a while, it just took time.He was arguably our best player after Sheed left, so we needed to keep him for a while anyway.

Outlaw fits a team that expects ill-advised jumpers and no perimeter defense. It's a self fulfilling prophecy for the team that relies on him.

Doesn't every team have one of those guys? It's Eddie House for the Celtics, Sasha for the Lakers.