OT Jamelle Hill/ESPN

[PtldPlatypus]

You know, you run on and on about this privilege year after year. Every since Obama used the fucking phrase,
Like a physiced Woodpecker, it's endless.
I bet you can't define the term and don't give me some bullshit article.

I'll define the term for you, as I understand it.

White privilege is essentially the many, many ways that life in America is easier (better?) on average for a white person than for a black person in similar circumstances. It encompasses myriad different examples and generalities, but that's it at a base level.

Another way to describe it might be, things in American life and culture that black people generally don't experience the same way we do--through no fault of their own--but that we take for granted as normal or universal.

 

[H.C.]

Flint Michigan is a prime example of white privilege.
If it was more white they'd have drinkable water.

 

[MarAzul]

I'll define the term for you, as I understand it.

White privilege is essentially the many, many ways that life in America is easier (better?) on average for a white person than for a black person in similar circumstances. It encompasses myriad different examples and generalities, but that's it at a base level.

Another way to describe it might be, things in American life and culture that black people generally don't experience the same way we do--through no fault of their own--but that we take for granted as normal or universal.

Perhaps this is it, but I want to hear it from dviss. Although I would say your definition is baloney.

 

[H.C.]

Oh right, I guess I should repeat what I was taught as a child.
Flint Michigan is black peoples fault.
As they're more dirty, grimy and don't take showers regularly. That's why they don't have clean drinking water.

 

[MarAzul]

Flint Michigan is a prime example of white privilege.
If it was more white they'd have drinkable water.

Flint has been under control of the Democrats how long?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Perhaps this is it, but I want to hear it from dviss. Although I would say your definition is baloney.

I'm sorry you feel this way. I'm not sure how you can dispute the notion that white people as a whole are on balance generally treated better by American society than black people are, but I can't see the world through your eyes, so I have no idea what you see to cause you to believe that's not the case.

 

[Five Second Violation]

She got suspended for that:

"Hill was suspended for a week in 2008 after writing in a column that “rooting for the Celtics is like saying Hitler was a victim.”

She was suspended, yes, but that could have just as easily been permanent if we're going by ESPN's recent standards of harshly penalizing mildly provocative and/or off-color statements. That was certainly the case with Schilling.

 

[dviss1]

She was suspended, yes, but that could have just as easily been permanent if we're going by ESPN's recent standards of harshly penalizing mildly provocative and/or off-color statements. That was certainly the case with Schilling.

I can see the equivalence with her and HWJr. I don't know anything about what Simmons said. But what schilling did was fucked up and he deserves to be fired. Equating that is just false.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I can see the equivalence with her and HWJr. I don't know anything about what Simmons said. But what schilling did was fucked up and he deserves to be fired. Equating that is just false.

Bill Simmons basically got fired for calling Roger Goodell a liar on his podcast. ESPN freaked out about that because they were afraid it would jeopardize their NFL contract.

 

[dviss1]

Bill Simmons basically got fired for calling Roger Goodell a liar on his podcast.

Well Goodell is a fucking liar... I think ESPN fucked up firing him then. HWJr too. THEY are the idiots, not Jamele for expressing her opinion. Yet everyone's coming down on her.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Well Goodell is a fucking liar... I think ESPN fucked up firing him then. HWJr too. THEY are the idiots, not Jamele for expressing her opinion. Yet everyone's coming down on her.

Except MM--who started this thread--took issue with ESPN and their double-standard, not with her comments.

Most of you are bleeding heart liberals, so you will defend this horse shit.

How does Curt Schilling get fired from ESPN for tweeting insensitive remarks towards transgender people, but Jamelle Hill goes on a rant about Trump being a white supremacist and nothing happens to her?

 

[MarAzul]

Another way to describe it might be, things in American life and culture that black people generally don't experience the same way we do--through no fault of their own--but that we take for granted as normal or universal.

I'm sorry you feel this way. I'm not sure how you can dispute the notion that white people as a whole are on balance generally treated better by American society than black people are, but I can't see the world through your eyes, so I have no idea what you see to cause you to believe that's not the case.

I have been here for some time now, seen the change made and have seen how little difference it makes.
I have done college recruiting. Offered several black kids jobs that they would not take. I could not offer those same jobs to white kids that would take them. So the system was warped in there favor but did it do any good?

Same with college entry. How many black people will ever see their child graduate from HS as valedictorian with 4.0 average and then be turned down at the college of their choice for diversity reasons? None I feel sure is the answer. But yet here we are 30 years later and still bitching.

I bet dviss went to college on time with his age group. I tried but had to give it up and join the Navy. I find that to have been a good thing, perhaps a privilege but he bitches.
Dad got to live as an American for 21 years after immigrating here with his parents before it came to the end in the Pacific. I am proud of him but what was his privilege?

When I hear that I should pay reparations, I would prefer skip that and go to the finale instead.

 

[H.C.]

Flint has been under control of the Democrats how long?

I thought you said last month you'd start posting comments worth reading?
Keep on doing you I guess.

 

[MarAzul]

I thought you said last month you'd start posting comments worth reading?
Keep on doing you I guess.

Ha!
You don't know how sorry I am, you do not find that comment helpful.

 

[crandc]

Schilling had a long history of comments deliberately insulting marginalized groups. He was repeatedly warned, then canned.

Hill expressed an opinion about one uber privileged person.

I mean, do we really need to keep repeating the same thing in words of one syllable?

OK.
Curt is white so right says he is OK.
Hill is black so right says fire her.

Words of one syllable.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I have been here for some time now, seen the change made and have seen how little difference it makes.
I have done college recruiting. Offered several black kids jobs that they would not take. I could not offer those same jobs to white kids that would take them. So the system was warped in there favor but did it do any good?

Same with college entry. How many black people will ever see their child graduate from HS as valedictorian with 4.0 average and then be turned down at the college of their choice for diversity reasons? None I feel sure is the answer. But yet here we are 30 years later and still bitching.

I bet dviss went to college on time with his age group. I tried but had to give it up and join the Navy. I find that to have been a good thing, perhaps a privilege but he bitches.
Dad got to live as an American for 21 years after immigrating here with his parents before it came to the end in the Pacific. I am proud of him but what was his privilege?

When I hear that I should pay reparations, I would prefer skip that and go to the finale instead.

So...your answer to why you don't think white privilege exists is that colleges place a premium on racial diversity. That is one very small aspect of life, but one you seem to place a massive weight one--presumably because you still hold a grudge against Stanford and blame diversity quotas for (I believe it was) your daughter not getting in.

OK, sure. All other things being equal, blacks have privilege over whites when it comes to college application/acceptance. However, that's operating under the assumption that all other things are equal, which they're not. School curricula are generally geared toward white kids. Standardized testing is generally geared towards white kids. Subjective teacher evaluations of students are generally more favorable to white kids. In general, for a black kid to earn a 4.0 and become his/her school's valedictorian, it's easily arguable that said kid probably had to work harder to achieve that result than a white kid in a similar circumstance would/did. That is the impact of white privilege that you're unwilling/unable to acknowledge.

 

[MarAzul]

So...your answer to why you don't think white privilege exists is that colleges place a premium on racial diversity. That is one very small aspect of life, but one you seem to place a massive weight one--presumably because you still hold a grudge against Stanford and blame diversity quotas for (I believe it was) your daughter not getting in.

OK, sure. All other things being equal, blacks have privilege over whites when it comes to college application/acceptance. However, that's operating under the assumption that all other things are equal, which they're not. School curricula are generally geared toward white kids. Standardized testing is generally geared towards white kids. Subjective teacher evaluations of students are generally more favorable to white kids. In general, for a black kid to earn a 4.0 and become his/her school's valedictorian, it's easily arguable that said kid probably had to work harder to achieve that result than a white kid in a similar circumstance would/did. That is the impact of white privilege that you're unwilling/unable to acknowledge.

If I acknowledge what the fuck ever you want me to acknowledge then what? What gets changed so that there is no bitch?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If I acknowledge what the fuck ever you want me to acknowledge then what? What gets changed so that there is no bitch?

I have no personal stake in your acceptance or rejection of white privilege. I (fallaciously) thought you legitimately wanted a definition of what you viewed as an ambiguous term, so I was just trying to help you see a different perspective. If you're not interested in doing so, that's no skin off my nose.

 

[H.C.]

Ha!
You don't know how sorry I am, you do not find that comment helpful.

I'll say it once again.
Maybe this time you'll remember when I say.
Unlike you I have no interest in placing blame on either political party.
Nor does it change the fact that if Flint Michigan wasn't majority black, instead majority white. The water issue would've been fixed within weeks.

 

[dviss1]

I have been here for some time now, seen the change made and have seen how little difference it makes.
I have done college recruiting. Offered several black kids jobs that they would not take. I could not offer those same jobs to white kids that would take them. So the system was warped in there favor but did it do any good?

Same with college entry. How many black people will ever see their child graduate from HS as valedictorian with 4.0 average and then be turned down at the college of their choice for diversity reasons? None I feel sure is the answer. But yet here we are 30 years later and still bitching.

I bet dviss went to college on time with his age group. I tried but had to give it up and join the Navy. I find that to have been a good thing, perhaps a privilege but he bitches.
Dad got to live as an American for 21 years after immigrating here with his parents before it came to the end in the Pacific. I am proud of him but what was his privilege?

When I hear that I should pay reparations, I would prefer skip that and go to the finale instead.

I've never been to college. I'm just intelligent.

And yeah right. This is the first time you said your daughter was "valedictorian with a 4.0 average". You NEVER brought that up before so now I don't believe you. I don't think you're being honest.

 

[dviss1]

I have no personal stake in your acceptance or rejection of white privilege. I (fallaciously) thought you legitimately wanted a definition of what you viewed as an ambiguous term, so I was just trying to help you see a different perspective. If you're not interested in doing so, that's no skin off my nose.

He's not interested. We simply need to wait for his ideology to die out.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Nor does it change the fact that if Flint Michigan wasn't majority black, instead majority white. The water issue would've been fixed within weeks.

I'm just going to say--that's not a fact; it's just speculation. Not unreasonable speculation, mind you, but definitely not a fact.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

He's not interested. We simply need to wait for his ideology to die out.

I just figured I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.

You know, because he's white...

 

[MarAzul]

I have no personal stake in your acceptance or rejection of white privilege. I was just trying to help you see a different perspective. If your not interested in doing so, that's no skin off my nose.

Well, I don't think any change you or I make will make a difference. The bitch goes on. Actually I would stack my record in helping black people during my life against anyone here.
I might be the only one here that took a whole gang out of resteraunt that would not serve two of the members. Hired them. Promoted to management. But I am not about to eat shit.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Why? Why the fuck do you wonder that? Why do you right wingers have this obsession with gay sex???

So now, the sea collisions are due to transgenders?? OMG.. You fucking people are literally... Jesus...

But wait, didn't your Orange Fat Hutt kick them out?

Navy and gay has always gone hand in oar.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I would stack my record in helping black people during my life against anyone here.

Do you actually keep a record of people you help by race?

Interesting.

 

[MarAzul]

I don't think you're being honest.

Ok.

 

[H.C.]

Well, I don't think any change you or I make will make a difference. The bitch goes on. Actually I would stack my record in helping black people during my life against anyone here.
I might be the only one here that took a whole gang out of resteraunt that would not serve two of the members. Hired them. Promoted to management. But I am not about to eat shit.

A day or two ago a new poster said. 'I have more likes than posts'.
Your comment right here deserves the same response.

 

[MarAzul]

Do you actually keep a record of people you help by race?

Interesting.

Sure, hired two Chinese and a Korean too. The Russian jew turned out to be a downer though.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Well Goodell is a fucking liar... I think ESPN fucked up firing him then. HWJr too. THEY are the idiots, not Jamele for expressing her opinion. Yet everyone's coming down on her.

Im not. I think she should have been suspended or fired because previous employees were, for extremely similar actions. I tgink ESPN is wrong, and it's a double standard