Politics Jared Kushner sought "back channel" with Kremlin

[Denny Crane]

When the polls said people believed Obama was a muslim or not born in the USA, it was fodder for ridicule (I agree). So is this.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/27/poll-52-percent-of-democrats-believe-russia-rigged-voting-tallies/

Despite repeated assurances to the contrary from the Obama administration, and despite the lack of any supporting evidence, a majority of Democrats believe a conspiracy theory in which Russia tampered with the voting tallies in last month’s election to rig the outcome in favor of Donald Trump, according to a new Economist/YouGov poll released Tuesday.

According to the polling results, 17 percent of registered Democrats said it’s “definitely true” that “Russia tampered with vote tallies in order to get Donald Trump elected president, while another 35 percent said the conspiracy theory was “probably true.”

The Obama administration has consistently said that the November elections were “free and fair” and that no hacking of voting machines took place.

 

[riverman]

I have a hard time with accepting "Trump denied this" as a result ...or somebody on his staff denying anything under oath.....that's what yes men do. Your chart has lots of conservative spin.......not corroborated by anyone.....he was joking....more hysteria....hit piece......what a load of spin...Trump's tactic of fake news and refusal to answer questions is becoming the culture of the White House. The guy surrounds himself with fall guys....if any shit gets close to him, he'll throw one of them in front of it...he has all the signs of being not only addicted to adulation, but a coward when confronting his own mistakes.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Good one!

LOL

 

[riverman]

a majority of Democrats believe a conspiracy theory in which Russia tampered with the voting tallies in last month’s election to rig the outcome in favor of Donald Trump,

I don't think the vote is the main issue....it's the backdoor access and sharing of information... you can let Kushner slide...I'm not willing to do that. Maybe stick to the current administration and address the concerns we have NOW.....

 

[Denny Crane]

I have a hard time with accepting "Trump denied this" as a result ...or somebody on his staff denying anything under oath.....that's what yes men do. Your chart has lots of conservative spin.......not corroborated by anyone.....he was joking....more hysteria....hit piece......what a load of spin...Trump's tactic of fake news and refusal to answer questions is becoming the culture of the White House. The guy surrounds himself with fall guys....if any shit gets close to him, he'll throw one of them in front of it...he has all the signs of being not only addicted to adulation, but a coward when confronting his own mistakes.

Is "conservative spin" all you got?

The media is off the rails, doing nothing but yellow journalism. They cite nothing but cowards who will not step forward as whistleblowers or use the actual whistleblower mechanisms in place in government. They scream "the sky is falling!" over ridiculously petty things.

The odd spin here is that Trump is a moron, mentally deranged, and whatnot, yet he's brilliant enough to concoct this incredibly complex scheme to do (what? I don't even know what the accusations really are anymore).

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't think the vote is the main issue....it's the backdoor access and sharing of information... you can let Kushner slide...I'm not willing to do that. Maybe stick to the current administration and address the concerns we have NOW.....

You don't, but obviously those polled do.

Tell me more about these "deplorables."

 

[riverman]

Tell me more about these "deplorables."

I don't know any but hey.....I know there are plenty of whack jobs out there....I did call the Nazi killer in Portland a deplorable...although having never met the man, that was a projection on my part.......basically your swamp draining dream is leading to violence and division...not American pride.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't know any but hey.....I know there are plenty of whack jobs out there....I did call the Nazi killer in Portland a deplorable...although having never met the man, that was a projection on my part.......basically your swamp draining dream is leading to violence and division...not American pride.

Sycophants hang on her every word!

http://www.latimes.com/nation/polit...n-s-full-remarks-as-1473549076-htmlstory.html

 

[riverman]

Is "conservative spin" all you got

no, but apparently it's all you've got......I'm still waiting for some libertarian wisdom and options to come out of your camp but I'm pretty convinced you're a Trump fan now. I never will be....choices

 

[Denny Crane]

So, how did we negotiate this (awful) nuclear deal with Iran, if not for "secret backchannels?"

OMG! The sky is falling!

 

[riverman]

Sycophants hang on her every word!

http://www.latimes.com/nation/polit...n-s-full-remarks-as-1473549076-htmlstory.html

I'm not interested in Hillary's spin but she's harmless now.......Trump however, I take seriously

 

[riverman]

So, how did we negotiate this (awful) nuclear deal with Iran, if not for "secret backchannels?"

You can be happy......they don't have to play nice anymore....can test all the weapons they want. Thanks Donald!

 

[Denny Crane]

no, but apparently it's all you've got......I'm still waiting for some libertarian wisdom and options to come out of your camp but I'm pretty convinced you're a Trump fan now. I never will be....choices

As a libertarian:

1) I am thrilled Clinton lost.
2) Trump is the elected president.
3) The way to get rid of Trump is at the voting booth in 2020. That's what the constitution says.
4) Those who oppose him with such venom and hate did not learn their lesson from Clinton's loss.

Re #3... If we allow the media to destroy presidents they don't like, we don't have much of a freely elected government (we don't anyway, witness the career government employees who see it fit to be unnamed sources).

 

[riverman]

such venom and hate

You read strange things into opposing views.

 

[Denny Crane]

You can be happy......they don't have to play nice anymore....can test all the weapons they want. Thanks Donald!

You missed the whole point.

So I'll repeat the question.

How did we negotiate this (awful) nuclear deal with Iran, if not for "secret backchannels?"

The followup is the obvious. It's how things work, nothing to see here so move along to something legit.

 

[Denny Crane]

You read strange things into opposing views.

Strange things? I see reporters on TV call him names. I see the tweets being posted here, and the general tone of what is written.

Just wow... to deny this.

 

[riverman]

learn their lesson from Clinton's loss.

Those who didn't vote for her consider it a win.....I didn't vote for her so she didn't teach me anything of importance...I did learn that my candidate was unprepared for the campaign and sort of mailed in his campaign.....not impressed

 

[riverman]

How did we negotiate this (awful) nuclear deal with Iran, if not for "secret backchannels?"

You're asking a question that neither you nor I have the information to answer......I don't think Obama or his staff lobbied Iranian diplomats or offered backdoor access while running for office ....I do think Kushner did......this is the issue.

 

[Denny Crane]

Those who didn't vote for her consider it a win.....I didn't vote for her so she didn't teach me anything of importance...I did learn that my candidate was unprepared for the campaign and sort of mailed in his campaign.....not impressed

It's not just Clinton. The whole party is hawking their agenda and the people aren't buying it. All over the place. Authoritarianism is being defeated by Liberalism/Libertarianism. It's great!

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...e-white-house-but-democrats-lost-the-country/

So why did the Democrats lose the 2016 presidential election? Why, even as Obama spoke, was there a newly expanded Republican majority in Washington working overtime to gut his hallmark healthcare law? In his eight years in office, Obama oversaw the rapid erosion of the Democratic Party’s political power in state legislatures, congressional districts and governor’s mansions. At the beginning of Obama’s term, Democrats controlled 59 percent of state legislatures, while now they control only 31 percent, the lowest percentage for the party since the turn of the 20th century. They held 29 governor’s offices and now have only 16, the party’s lowest number since 1920.

 

[riverman]

I see reporters on TV call him names

He calls people names all the time "Pocahantas"........I'll suggest again..try what I did decades ago....shut off the TV and think original thoughts...

 

[Denny Crane]

You're asking a question that neither you nor I have the information to answer......I don't think Obama or his staff lobbied Iranian diplomats or offered backdoor access while running for office ....I do think Kushner did......this is the issue.

We do know that we don't have an embassy in Iran, Iran has no embassy here. Geez.

 

[Denny Crane]

He calls people names all the time "Pocahantas"........I'll suggest again..try what I did decades ago....shut off the TV and think original thoughts...

Yes, he does. That's misdirection on your part.

If he's slime for it, so are those who respond in kind.

 

[riverman]

The whole party is hawking their agenda

I agree with this....but I'd say...both parties....long before this election I said I'm sick of divorce court govt....stalemate govt....I've learned you can't tell people you're a free agent with political choices yet argue against' Trump and you get put on the other team.....I don't want to be on either team. My own sensibilities say we have a horrible administration right now. A lot of people feel the same.

 

[riverman]

We do know that we don't have an embassy in Iran, Iran has no embassy here. Geez.

duh.....but what the hell does that have to do with communications between the countries? That doesn't give us any red flags as to improper use of diplomacy

 

[Denny Crane]

I agree with this....but I'd say...both parties....long before this election I said I'm sick of divorce court govt....stalemate govt....I've learned you can't tell people you're a free agent with political choices yet argue against' Trump and you get put on the other team.....I don't want to be on either team. My own sensibilities say we have a horrible administration right now. A lot of people feel the same.

Join the club. I wish for the demise of the republican party as much as I do the democrats, though I see the democrats as significantly more dangerous to our Liberty at this point.

Not conservative spin:

http://www.academia.edu/31849643/The_Democratic_Party_is_Facing_a_Demographic_Crisis

 

[Denny Crane]

duh.....but what the hell does that have to do with communications between the countries? That doesn't give us any red flags as to improper use of diplomacy

Right. There were no red flags. There are none now, either.

This story is yellow journalism at its finest.

If you want to make peace with your enemies, you have to talk to them.

I don't see how it's to our advantage to somehow be at war with Russia, and I do see the possibility of having "trust but verify" kind of good relationship with them.

We do have to talk to them without leakers and the media painting the situation into one that's sinister. Not just with Russia, clearly.

 

[riverman]

I don't see how it's to our advantage to somehow be at war with Russia

I don't see how it's to our advantage to be at war with Iran or N Korea either....Trump said China was evil..now he says they're great friends....before elected he warmed to Russia and threatened China.....the guy doesn't have a diplomatic bone in his tiny hands. Putin is NOT a good guy or to be trusted...this is demonstrable.....I agree with Hillary about him and agree with the Russian media about him....he's not very popular in Russia you know...Iran had the first moderate leader in decades and was making progress....now Trump has stirred them back into hating the Great Satan again....and you think this is draining a swamp? They no longer give a shit about sanctions or limits on their own weapons programs.....throwing away decades of negotiation for some bluster and sabre rattling

 

[riverman]

One thing I do see happening.....huge arms race at the expense of domestic investments ......gut social services to the poorest Americans to give the wealthy tax breaks.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't see how it's to our advantage to be at war with Iran or N Korea either....Trump said China was evil..now he says they're great friends....before elected he warmed to Russia and threatened China.....the guy doesn't have a diplomatic bone in his tiny hands. Putin is NOT a good guy or to be trusted...this is demonstrable.....I agree with Hillary about him and agree with the Russian media about him....he's not very popular in Russia you know...Iran had the first moderate leader in decades and was making progress....now Trump has stirred them back into hating the Great Satan again....and you think this is draining a swamp?

N Korea is threatening to nuke the US, Russia isn't. Iran has always hated the great Satan... well at least since Carter.

 

[Denny Crane]

One thing I do see happening.....huge arms race at the expense of domestic investments ......gut social services to the poorest Americans to give the wealthy tax breaks.

We "invest" $3.5T of the $4.1T budgets already. Trump is calling for $1T in new infrastructure spending.