Jason Kidd on "Fools", LMA on "Fans" RE: Brandon Roy

[B-Roy]

Read the board. And BTW, Roy has been getting his normal 25 minutes a game. He only had 26 minutes in this contest. Nothing that Nate hasn't been doing already.

I am reading the board. I don't really see anyone saying Roy was the sole reason for the loss. If you'd like to provide something substantial instead of "read the board", I'm all ears.

He also averaged 19.7 MPG the last 10, so yes 26 was a bit of an aberration, when you consider that he wasn't producing very well on offense or defense.

 

[magnifier661]

I am reading the board. I don't really see anyone saying Roy was the sole reason for the loss. If you'd like to provide something substantial instead of "read the board", I'm all ears.

He also averaged 19.7 MPG the last 10, so yes 26 was a bit of an aberration, when you consider that he wasn't producing very well on offense or defense.

Roy didn't get your memo, apparently.

Seriously, it is sad to see Roy like this. Not too long ago the guy was a legit top 10 player in the NBA. It seriously is suck for us, and especially for Roy. Most importantly though, I hope Nate is quick to realize that this version of Roy is a detriment to the team. He's a liability on both ends.

Do you need me to find more?

 

[B-Roy]

Do you need me to find more?

Point out to me where Uncle Ty said Roy was the sole reason for the loss. Can't? Well that's because he didn't make the claim.

 

[magnifier661]

Nic shooting 6/14 is not that bad. 43% compared to 46% in the regular season. Dragging other players in and saying that hey played bad too doesn't lessen the ineffective performance Roy had.

And Wallace? I didn't drag any player out. I didn't say anything about these players. What I'm pointing out is how seemingly hilarious it is that there are so many complaints on Roy, and hardly any mention of the other players playing like shit.

 

[magnifier661]

Point out to me where Uncle Ty said Roy was the sole reason for the loss. Can't? Well that's because he didn't make the claim.

Ahhhhhhh, we are getting technical are we? You do know that I am using "Sole reason for loss" as an exaggeration of the point. Kinda like when some of the posters in here over exaggerate to make the point a little more "To the point". You have never done that? So if I find you doing this in previous posts, does that mean I can call you out too?

 

[B-Roy]

Ahhhhhhh, we are getting technical are we? You do know that I am using "Sole reason for loss" as an exaggeration of the point. Kinda like when some of the posters in here over exaggerate to make the point a little more "To the point". You have never done that? So if I find you doing this in previous posts, does that mean I can call you out too?

So you admit you're using a strawman? I would hope you don't sink to PapaG's level.

I think you're angry at the amount of people frustrated at Roy's play. If you're trying to argue that he's warranted the amount of playing time he's getting, then that's one thing, but don't call out people on false claims they aren't making.

 

[magnifier661]

Re: Jason Terry on "Fools", LMA on "Fans" RE: Brandon Roy

Looks to me like you're the one not getting it. You said that, "well, Roy would have gotten more assists if his teammates shot the ball better." Another poster then countered that it is not just a one game thing, it's his seasonal average. You then countered by saying just look at the games when his teammates shot the ball well.

Well, why should we only look at those games instead of every games? There's a reason why stats are average out. If you just want to pick and choose what games stats should count for a player, then I'm sure you can make that player's stats look very good.

Roy played like shit, and so did a few other players. This was started because of the article on Roy; which was my response. It was to the fans, in Cansucko's article, which I referred to mostly. But whatever the case, you can ignore other's piss poor performances and dwell soley on Roy's if that makes you happy.

yes I do agree that "averages" are used to measure the "blue print of a player"; but you and I know, that watching the game tells the true tale. If you saw it differently, then I guess you and I will just disagree. But since we are measuring this game and using stats like you want to toss at me. Roy got 3 assists without a single turnover. He is terrible!

 

[magnifier661]

So you admit you're using a strawman? I would hope you don't sink to PapaG's level.

I think you're angry at the amount of people frustrated at Roy's play. If you're trying to argue that he's warranted the amount of playing time he's getting, then that's one thing, but don't call out people on false claims they aren't making.

You honestly don't think posters in here, fans in Portland and posters in O-live aren't putting blame on Roy for this loss? Really?!?!?! So you think Cansucko would just spit out that article because he just wants to? There is a reason for the article, and if you can't see it, then why are we even discussing it?

 

[Minstrel]

Roy's terrible and he never was particularly good. Rich man's Jamal Crawford in his prime, which is now over.

He was the sole reason for Portland losing not just this last game, but each of the last two playoff series.

 

[Minstrel]

So you think Cansucko would just spit out that article because he just wants to?

This sentence is unintentionally hilarious. "Canzano sucks, but he'd only write an article if he had an excellent, well thought-out point!"

 

[magnifier661]

This sentence is unintentionally hilarious. "Canzano sucks, but he'd only write an article if he had an excellent, well thought-out point!"

No I hate his articles. I think he is a blow hard. But seriously? Why the hell would he write it? I mean read the damn article and see the comments below it. Proves it right there.

 

[magnifier661]

Roy's terrible and he never was particularly good. Rich man's Jamal Crawford in his prime, which is now over.

He was the sole reason for Portland losing not just this last game, but each of the last two playoff series.

Thanks for bailing me out Minstrel. LMAO! There you go Roytoy

 

[Minstrel]

No I hate his articles. I think he is a blow hard. But seriously? Why the hell would he write it?

He wrote an article about Roy not coming out for the national anthem and that being a problem. Why does Canzano write anything? In order to get a reaction. Not because he has a valid point.

Roy is an NBA player still, just not a good one. No one rational believes Roy was the SOLE reason the Blazers lost, but he probably hurt the team.

 

[B-Roy]

You honestly don't think posters in here, fans in Portland and posters in O-live aren't putting blame on Roy for this loss? Really?!?!?! So you think Cansucko would just spit out that article because he just wants to? There is a reason for the article, and if you can't see it, then why are we even discussing it?

I think he's part of the reason for the loss. I don't even see you disagreeing, so what the hell are you arguing?

And the sentence about Canzano is....well just read it yourself. LOL

 

[B-Roy]

Roy is an crappy player, just not a good player at all. Everyone on this board believes Roy was the SOLE reason the Blazers lost, why does he suck so much?

Spun for PapaG to use.

 

[magnifier661]

And the sentence about Canzano is....well just read it yourself. LOL

touché. God I really dislike Consucko. I really do. It's hard to even use his articles for any source of argument. ARG! -- On the flip side, I wasn't using what he said; instead using what the players said (Terry and Aldridge). So there!

 

[PapaG]

I'm sorry, but just because Roy was demanding a double team doesn't mean he should have been on the court in the closing minutes. His defense is what cost us the game. Yes he was on the court during that 11 minute drought by Dallas, but I think that had more to do with Dallas missing shots vs Roy playing defense. When Roy was healthy he'd take possessions off on defense to rest. Now he doesn't even really try on defense because of his bad knees. Roy should have been subbed out around the 4 minute mark or something of the 4th at the latest. There is no reason for Roy to be playing the entire 4th. Yes Wesley wasn't hitting his shot (neither was Roy), but his defense was still really good.

Having someone demand a double team does not mean it's the most efficient form of offense. It was a lot of iso'ing with Roy on the court (McMillan's crutch offense in the 4th) and it failed us *again*. I would have much rather had some quality defense being played from our shooting guard vs having a guard that couldn't shoot OR play a lick of defense. Roy's form of defense involves reaching in and that's just ASKING for a foul to be called. I remember one play were dirk had batum at the basket and Batum had his hands straight up playing solid defense and suddenly from behind Roy just reaches in and swipes at Dirk's wrist. You could see Batum in disbelief at Roy saying "Why'd you do that man?!"

Look I'm not saying Roy shouldn't be playing--he just shouldn't be playing in the closing minutes if he had a crappy game (1-8 or something like that) up to that point. If he was playing good that game I could understand it.

Dumbest comment of the playoffs so far. Congrats, and no surprise that it's from a long-known Roy Basher.

 

[PapaG]

I'm not surprised that PapaG would be one to bring up Canzano's article to defend Roy. The King of strawman and his 1st lieutenant.

I don't think you know what a "strawman" is. Canzano actually posted over-the-top complaints (and possibly a death threat) about Roy from "fans", and this board was a mess after the game on Saturday, with Roy Bashers tripping over themselves to post.

How is saying people are blaming Roy for the loss a "strawman"? I don't mind people coming at me, but at least have a criticism that makes sense.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

Roy's meniscus isn't going to grow back. He's going to play bone on bone for the rest of his career. If he has a good game during these playoffs, good for him, good for the team, good for us. It's not going to be a nightly event anymore, though. Maybe a summer will help him adjust to the new reality of post-meniscus Brandon, maybe it wont. This isn't a slight on Brandon. When he's out there, he's giving his effort. His mind is usually there (and this is not a slight if it isn't, he has a lot on his mind I imagine about his body and playing style now), but his body (knees) just can't keep up.

He wasn't the sole reason we lost the game, but Nate using him as a crutch (as he has done Brandon's entire career) and not subbing in Camby for him when we could have used his rebounding hurt us a lot.

We all wish he was still Brandon Roy, and I still love him for everything he did for the franchise. He just can't do those things anymore. His knees failed him, that isn't his fault, and I don't blame him. They're just done. Sometimes it happens. It's life.

 

[PapaG]

Read the board. And BTW, Roy has been getting his normal 25 minutes a game. He only had 26 minutes in this contest. Nothing that Nate hasn't been doing already.

The last 10 games of the season (not including Golden State), Roy has played 20+ minutes 5 times. In those games, the Blazers went 4-1, with wins @ SAS (24 min), DAL (25 min), LAL (29 min) , @UTAH (21 min), and a loss @ NOH (21 MIN).

The Roy Bashers are seemingly making things up as they go. Thank God some of them aren't coaching.

 

[PapaG]

Where did I post that Roy Bashers were solely blaming Roy? It's like arguing with children. They throw out big words like "strawman", thinking they know what it means, and then think they won the argument because of it.

 

[PapaG]

So you admit you're using a strawman? I would hope you don't sink to PapaG's level.

Huh? What the fuck are you talking about? Nate got plenty of blame as well. Don't fucking be a liar, as you always are, B-Roy. I've always wondered why you've kept that name, btw, considering you've been bashing the guy for years.

 

[PapaG]

Spun for PapaG to use.

Is this considered baiting? 3 times this guy has called me out.

 

[PapaG]

Some people get off bashing Blazer players. Others get off defending Blazer players.

It's as simple as that. Simpletons need a scapegoat, and the more intellectual types are in it for the long haul.

 

[MickZagger]

Its doesn't take an 'expert basher' at anything to realize that Brandon has severely lost a step. Its plain to see. He'll show up and have a good game 1 out of every 5 games, or so.

That said, the reason we lost that game was because Kidd had a career shooting night that wont be replicated and we didn't get out on him.

 

[PapaG]

Right... Then Roy played like crap. He hurt us in the game. We agree then?

He did, among others. It's the isolation of one guy for criticism, when the team was 4-1 down the stretch with him playing 20+, that seems out of balance. Matthews has a lot to prove in Game 2. If he can't hit shots, Roy needs to play, since at least Roy creates open looks when he's double-teamed. I'd explain how this works, except I'm guessing you're still struggling with the "strawman" concept.

 

[PapaG]

Ironic that you of all people would be the one calling people liar.

Why is it ironic? Do you need help on that word, too?

 

[MickZagger]

He did, among others. It's the isolation of one guy for criticism, when the team was 4-1 down the stretch with him playing 20+, that seems out of balance. Matthews has a lot to prove in Game 2. If he can't hit shots, Roy needs to play, since at least Roy creates open looks when he's double-teamed. I'd explain how this works, except I'm guessing you're still struggling with the "strawman" concept.

You keep on throwing out this double-team thing, hoping it sticks. Go back and watch the game, I just did last night. He was hardly double-teamed like your claiming.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Why is it ironic? Do I need help on that word, too?

FTFY

 

[PapaG]

You keep on throwing out this double-team thing, hoping it sticks. Go back and watch the game, I just did last night. He was hardly double-teamed like your claiming.

That's not true. The defense was set up to collapse on him on drives, leaving open shots that were missed. Plus, when he posted up, he was doubled or trapped. Or, LMA and Jaason Kidd don't know as much as you do.