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PapaG said:
Not true. Robinson was a 17/8 player in the 6 games he played in the season prior to Duncan being drafted. You completely left that season out of your stats.

Robinson had one more 21/10 season with Duncan as a rookie before dropping off the map as an elite player.

In the Spurs first championship season, Robinson was a 16/10 player. Duncan was a 20/10 player.

Duncan was the franchise player, and Robinson became a very good role player. He then was a non-factor on the Spurs' 2nd title team.

Learn the game, then post.

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HAHAHA! Wait, what? You're being serious?

The claim was "Robinson wasn't even that good yet" when they drafted Duncan. My post was perfectly correct. Re-read the posts and think about how ridiculous your post is. You should be ashamed of yourself, even by PapaG standards.
 
Minstrel said:
You're right. I didn't know that the Hornets had made the trade the day before the draft. I remembered Kobe's agent Arn Tellum, after the Hornets drafted him, saying "Kobe playing in Charlotte is an impossibility."

Thanks for the information.

I retract the "Kobe trade demand" issue, but I still don't think it counts as LA simply drafting Kobe. Once a trade is involved, as I said to B-Roy, it is no longer simply making a draft pick.
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I had always assumed what you assumed about that trade until a Laker fan on another board posted that link. It's very informanative. Kobe was not saint, and Tellem was posturing, but Charlotte wanted to make the deal for Divac. I'm sure that the Lakers knew that they wanted Bryant; they just didn't tell Charlotte who to draft prior to the pick being on the clock.
 
blazerboy30 said:
HAHAHA! Wait, what? You're being serious?

The claim was "Robinson wasn't even that good yet" when they drafted Duncan. My post was perfectly correct. Re-read the posts and think about how ridiculous your post is. You should be ashamed of yourself, even by PapaG standards.
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It wasn't though. You completely left out the 1996-97 season when you posted Robinson's stats. How should my pointing out your obvious omission make me ashamed?

Plus, Duncan was the primary player on 3 other NBA title teams. I dunno, seems like you're arguing a point about drafted players that flies in the face of reality. Plus, the Spurs drafted Robinson as well, so it's irrelevant as to which of those two players was the better on the first title team. LOL
 
STOMP said:
right, Dean Smith is a liar and has every reason to do so. Good one BGrantliar

STOMP
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He gave a direct quote from Kobe about going to Duke. You provided......what exactly to back up the Dean Smith comment? Your memory? I think it is pretty well known Kobe was considering Duke. Feel free to actually prove that wrong, instead of insisting Dean Smith isn't a liar.
 
STOMP said:
those guys are an absolute bargain compared to Roy... arguing otherwise is just plain stupid. Dude is probably the hardest to move player in the league right about now. Besides that, Darko at 5M per is halfway attractive
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Because....what? My point was that "stupid" deals happen all the time. How about paying 20+ a year for RASHARD LEWIS?

Hobbling Roy is still a 15 PER player. I'm sure there's a team willing to take a risk on Roy, especially if he ends up showing something after coming back.
 
STOMP said:
right, Dean Smith is a liar and has every reason to do so. Good one BGrantliar

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mu...1003/cbb.celebrity.picks.ncaa/content.12.html

STOMP
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I'm just going by Kobe's own quotes. Nike even made a "Kobe" shoe for Duke's basketball team. No need to call me a liar. I provided an actual quote from an actual interview. He even talks about the players he would have played with at Duke.

Although Kobe Bryant skipped college to head straight to the NBA, he’s made comments that if he would have gone to college that Duke would have been his choice. With that in mind, these Duke University Nike Zoom Kobe IV kicks make a lot of sense. Despite not playing for Coach K at Duke, Kobe did get a chance to play with him this summer as he helped the USA bring home the basketball gold medal in the Olympics.
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http://www.myairshoes.com/nike/duke-university-nike-zoom-kobe-iv.html
 
PapaG said:
It wasn't though. You completely left out the 1996-97 season when you posted Robinson's stats. How should my pointing out your obvious omission make me ashamed?
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He played six games (and still averaged 18 / 9 / 1). You claim to be a "stats guy" yet you don't have a clue about statistics. That is why you should be ashamed. :)

PapaG said:
Plus, Duncan was the primary player on 3 other NBA title teams. I dunno, seems like you're arguing a point about drafted players that flies in the face of reality. Plus, the Spurs drafted Robinson as well, so it's irrelevant as to which of those two players was the better on the first title team. LOL
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My point is that unless we have a once-in-a-decade type talent, then it is highly unlikely that drafting an all-star level talent will get us to the championship (we don't currently have that level of talent). Unless we happen to draft the once-in-a-decade level talent, but that is pretty low probability, and IMO a lower probability than Oden having healthy seasons. (that is how the discussion started)
 
blazerboy30 said:
He played six games (and still averaged 18 / 9 / 1). You claim to be a "stats guy" yet you don't have a clue about statistics. That is why you should be ashamed. :)
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17.7/8.5 ;)


point is that unless we have a once-in-a-decade type talent, then it is highly unlikely that drafting an all-star level talent will get us to the championship (we don'tcurrently have that level of talent). Unless we happen to draft the once-in-a-decade level talent, but that is pretty low probability, and IMO a lower probability than Oden having healthy seasons. (that is how the discussion started)
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I agree with this. I think the counter-point was that every NBA champion outside of Detroit's title last decade had at least one drafted player as the best, or one of the best, players on the team. What most of those teams have in common is a high draft pick; Portland had a high draft pick in Oden, and unfortunately, is not getting MVP-level production out of the player, even when he is on the court.
 
RR7 said:
He gave a direct quote from Kobe about going to Duke. You provided......what exactly to back up the Dean Smith comment? Your memory? I think it is pretty well known Kobe was considering Duke. Feel free to actually prove that wrong, instead of insisting Dean Smith isn't a liar.
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feel free to read the SI link I provided above. It's pretty succinct/to the point

Dean Smith was on Rome's show in the interview I sited. Marty Blake is still the NBA's director of scouting... since you doubt me you could email him and ask your question directly. His address is marty@martyblake.com

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
feel free to read the SI link I provided above. It's pretty succinct/to the point

Dean Smith was on Rome's show in the interview I sited. Marty Blake is still the NBA's director of scouting... since you doubt me you could email him and ask your question directly. His address is marty@martyblake.com

STOMP
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That SI "quote" can't be found anywhere else on the internet. I'll believe Bryant's own words in an interview over a blurb on SI.com that isn't sourced.

Of course, perhaps Kobe Bryant is lying. Either way, I'm not lying.
 
Blazinaway said:
Quick just on 95.5 and said Harris deal may be dying...
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Yep. But I can guarantee it generated a few thousand hits on the Oregon live website.

Most deals we hear about are dead by the time we hear about them.
 
Minstrel said:
It's positive that he likes it here. I guess the negative is that his implication is that he feels betrayed, which I think would be a rather unfair characterization. If that isn't what he's implying, then this doesn't apply.
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I thought it was MIXUM that read between the lines.

"If I would have known that I'd be in this situation, I wouldn't have signed my extension last year."

I don't see any implication at all, just a factual, honest and understandable statement.
 
PapaG said:
I'm just going by Kobe's own quotes. Nike even made a "Kobe" shoe for Duke's basketball team. No need to call me a liar. I provided an actual quote from an actual interview. He even talks about the players he would have played with at Duke.
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right, so the link that I provided in the bit you quoted me above where Kobe claims he's told coach K that he would have gone to UNC is Completely false. Like 100% false?

STOMP
 
blazerboy30 said:
How many times has this worked in the past? I can't think of many teams that have drafted a player that was largely responsible for winning a championship... can you?
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Bill Walton immediately comes to mind.
 
STOMP said:
right, so the link that I provided in the bit you quoted me above where Kobe claims he's told coach K that he would have gone to UNC is Completely false. Like 100% false?

STOMP
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Looks like it. There aren't even quotes around the words.
 
MARIS61 said:
Bill Walton immediately comes to mind.
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Magic Johson - 5
Michael Jordan - 6
Isiah Thomas/Joe Dumars - 2
Larry Bird - 3
Hakeem Olajuwon - 2
David Robinson/Tim Duncan - 4 (Duncan 2 w/out Robinson)
Paul Pierce - 1 (Finals MVP)
Dwyane Wade - 1 (Finals MVP)
 
PapaG said:
Looks like it. There aren't even quotes around the words.
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right. I'm so absentminded that I mistook 4 different interviews from public figures and then happened to stumble across a link that backs me up. How convenient for me

this is why I avoid you... I wish you would extend me the same courtesy

STOMP
 
Apparently, we're going after Crawford...
 
PapaG said:
Paul Pierce won Finals MVP. I have to go with Pierce as being the primary reason they won the Finals. :)
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Agreed, Kevin "Bark like a dog" Garnett is a role player for them, he's a follower not a leader.

That's why Minny never went anywhere with him.
 
STOMP said:
right. I'm so absentminded that I mistook 4 different interviews from public figures and then happened to stumble across a link that backs me up. How convenient for me

this is why I avoid you... I wish you would extend me the same courtesy

STOMP
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I provided a link that shows Bryant in 2007 saying he would have went to Duke. I've yet to see anything that says he was admitted to UNC.

Why does this make me the liar? We have differing quotes. If you don't like being challenged with actual quotes from the actual participant, then I suggest you do go back to ignoring me. As I said, maybe Bryant was lying. I don't know; I can only go by his words in an actual article.
 
STOMP said:
right. I'm so absentminded that I mistook 4 different interviews from public figures and then happened to stumble across a link that backs me up. How convenient for me

this is why I avoid you... I wish you would extend me the same courtesy

STOMP
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STOMP, your own quote is the most relevant "Marty Blake Kobe Bryant UNC", or "Marty Blake Kobe Bryant Tar Heels" on Google.

http://www.google.com/search?q=mart...l=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.1,or.&fp=d4a7e52ef0af3d83

http://www.google.com/search?q=mart...ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7SKPB_en

Meanwhile, here is another result for "Kobe Bryant Duke", from 2002.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/basketba/2002-05-08-bryant.htm

Bryant says he wouldn't change the path he took, bypassing college. He admits, however, that he has daydreamed about the NCAA career he might have had.

"Sometimes, out of curiosity, I think about that," he says. "My mind starts drifting a little bit, wondering what I'd look like in a Duke uniform."

No doubt Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski has thought about it, too. The Blue Devils failed to win an NCAA title during what would have been Bryant's college years.
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PapaG said:
Magic Johson - 5
Michael Jordan - 6
Isiah Thomas/Joe Dumars - 2
Larry Bird - 3
Hakeem Olajuwon - 2
David Robinson/Tim Duncan - 4 (Duncan 2 w/out Robinson)
Paul Pierce - 1 (Finals MVP)
Dwyane Wade - 1 (Finals MVP)
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Ooh, can I play devil's advocate?

Kareem Abdul Jabbar - 5
Scottie Pippen - 6
Robert Parish - 2
Clyde Drexler - 1
Shaquille O'Neal - 4
Kevin Garnett - 1
Pau Gasol - 2
Chauncy Billups - 1

This is fun!
 
Minstrel said:
It does. Winning a title involves winning lots of games, regular season games, playoff games in every round. Garnett was the best player on the Celtics team that did all that. Therefore, he was the most important player to the Celtics' winning a title.
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Therefore he was the cancer that prevented Minny from many titles.
 
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